Many DUers think Trump is invulnerable

[Cyrano]

Yesterday, I posted an opinion piece that suggested that pedophilia would bring Trump down. The piece basically tied him to Jeffery Epstein's child trafficking crimes. (Link is at bottom.)

The majority of replies suggested that his MAGAs would treat it as fake news, and/or some kind of plot to frame their "god" and remove him. Put another way, most replies seemed to indicate that Trump is invulnerable to attacks of any kind. That there's absolutely nothing that can put an end to his reign of terror. That their is no kryptonite that can destroy this "Superman" hero of the far right.

In a way, it's hard to argue with those opinions because many in his hard cord MAGA army of the ignorant will never desert him. Yet, much of that "army" is made up of women and I don't for a second believe that an accusation of pedophilia won't turn many of them away from the orange menace.

To date, he has gotten away with more than any of our presidents would have dared to try. He's being protected by the corruption of the Republican Party, the Dept. of Justice, his entire cabinet and every member of his White House staff. This is something we've never seen before and never thought possible.

It really looks like "evil" has triumphed and will continue to do so. It really seems that Trump is untouchable and could possibly become America's Hitler.

I didn't reply to these posts because I too hold the fear that we can't make this orange disease go away. Even if we manage to pry him from the White House, his twitter machine will continue to divide America beyond what, not too long ago, none of us would have believed possible.

So are we really dealing with a kind of "Superman" here? Is there no kryptonite that will destroy him? Will he continue to fuck up America until the day he dies?

If pedophilia (if proven), or perhaps shooting someone on 5th Ave, or even eating a live kitten of TV won't bring him down, what will?

Put as plainly as possible, here's my question to all of DU. Is there anything that can stop him and the inferno he created and is fanning daily?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212301000

[TheRealNorth]

1. The issue is not Trump, it's the MAGATS

They will continue to support him so long as he continues to validate what they want to believe.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

5. The issue is not MAGATs, it's voter turnout.

His base is unchangeable, nothing will distract them from praising and voting Trump.

If we get voters excited (and, yes, it seems we need to get excited in order to vote), then Dems can sweep.

[sacto95834]

11. We have to win in certain states....

Getting more Dems out overall won't help us. Remember 2016. It has to be targeted unfortunately. Wish the presidency could be decided by national vote. But a lot of progressives live in the same states: California, Illinois, New York, etc.

If you really think about it, many here are the anti-MAGAs. Is there really anything the Orange Thing can say that would inspire us to vote for him? I mean really??

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

17. Right. We will vote against him, no matter what. Unless he runs as a Dem :)

So the groups that need work are the undecided and the uninterested. With Trump's history, the number of undecided voters should be shrinking, hopefully most wanting to oust him. The uninterested are a puzzle, the unrepresented, the alienated, the lethargic, the trick is getting them excited about voting, and voting Dem.

[sacto95834]

18. If Trump ran as a D...

1) There is no way in hell he would get the nomination; or if he did 2) I would have to part company w/the party for the 1st time in my life. I just couldn't vote for him.

I'm with you, how can you be undecided about the Orange Menace in today's world. Based on everything he's done, I just can't imagine not having an opinion. I suppose if you're 18 and a new voter, maybe. Assuming you've done nothing but study for the past 3 years. But still, it's not like he's not on social media or keeping a low profile in the news.

[blue neen]

2. You know, there are a lot of people on this board

who have a vested interest in making us believe the worst. Post after negative post. I'm not surprised you got the responses you say you got.

With that being said, we do have much to fear, but we cannot give up and give in. That's what the Russians want.

[Ohiogal]

3. No matter the charge against him...

Be it pedophelia, rape, adultery .... MAGAt women will say it’s “fake news”. Like all MAGAts, they think any and all charges against their Orange Messiah are trumped-up (no pun intended)
or the work of hateful Democrats perpetuating lies.

[Loge23]

4. The people - don't count on it

I watched the Puerto Rican people in the streets the past few days, along with seeing the folks in Hong Kong, and wondered - and hoped - that people power is contagious.
Without a significant outpouring of disgust from the American people, I don't think that there a remedy for the current administration.
Even with the people, it would be a long slog to get the elected class on board with action and the American people show absolutely no signs of getting off the couch.
Amongst friends - all Dems or left-leaning indy's - we fear that he will not be defeated in 2020.
We all have to be cognizant that the country has indeed changed, and not for the better.
The racists are dug in and the middle-of-the-roader's are too stupid to see the forest for the trees. The orange ignoramus will continue to smear his opponents - this "strategy" worked very well for him in 2016 and it appears to be working for him now. They have already managed to box up the new Congresswomen as "leftist extremists".
I hate to resign the argument to defeat already but I just don't see a remedy. How many crimes has he gotten away with already? We still don't even have his tax returns!
I keep hoping I am wrong, but I have yet to see the light at the end of this tunnel into hell.

[Cyrano]

6. Well, that's depressing as hell

I wish I could find a way to argue with it, but I can't.

Nonetheless, we cannot stop fighting the orange disease that has descended on America and the world. It's like we're fighting an alien invasion in some kind of sci-fi movie. But these aliens are homegrown.

[hlthe2b]

7. I think there is a race to what causality will take him down...

whether it be decisively losing the election? His rapidly advancing physical and mental health status (likely progressive dementia)? Or, as you say becoming inextricably linked to Epstein's activities in such a way that simply can't be ignored or covered up anymore?

But, the cynical, more pessimistic side of me (and my own anxiety) fears whatever comes to pass will not come quickly enough.

[louis-t]

8. He's a lot older than Hitler was.

He's already showing signs of serious mental and physical decline.
Although it seems like a lot longer, he has only been in power 2.5 years.
Look at the photos of Hitler in his mid fifties with tremors and physical decline.
The stress he is under must be incredible (not from actually doing anything, but just from worrying about his own future).
He is in horrible condition.
He can't keep this up for very long.
Can you imagine the conspiracy theories when he finally keels over with a BBQ pork sandwich in his mouth?

[budkin]

9. If Russia controls our elections, he is

However... we can defeat that with overwhelming numbers.

[uponit7771]

10. Trump is vulnerable the Russians interfering in our elections it's not

[NewJeffCT]

12. The issue is turnout on the Democratic side and with moderates

Republicans as a percent of the populace are shrinking under Trump. Need to work hard to overcome voter suppression and divisive tactics from Trump and his supporters.

[Afromania]

13. Nothing immediately, no.

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The reason is that Republicans don't care. The ones elected don't care, the ones who vote are part of a cult. Be it religion, or taxes or guns.

Each and every one of them are cultists and as cultist they believe whatever garbage their dear leaders feed em. We all know how tough it is to reprogram those that fall under the sway of mad men. I think that more than anything that frightens people the most here.

I don't count any Republicans among my friends or family. I'm lucky in that. For those that do I feel the utmost empathy. They have the misfortune of dealing with not only the trump insanity but the loss of friends and family who have proven that not only are their politics ugly but the core of their beings as well.

We're way pass the off ramp for those people and whatever we get done will have to happen without them. If it helps your disposition any I'll offer this bit of anecdotal evidence. I know a number of nonvoters and "I hate politics" types. The great majority of them aren't the type being sought out for polling and also aren't out there looking for polls to participate in either. They have become galvanized behind this pos administration and can't wait to vote in 2020.

The silent majority Reagan talked about exists, but it's not who they think it is. These folks in talking about talk about trump and his minions. They are talking about the same things we discuss here are among themselves. Some searching out those in the know to confirm the wild shit they are hearing and are ready to vote.

Trump only won by 89k votes in those states he needed for electoral victory. He is now underwater in those states and that is without the REAL silent majority chiming in. Our hope because of Republicans refusing to do anything is our electoral process. If that is subverted this time I think people will finally be on the streets.

Even though it doesn't feel like anything is happening with everything that's going on. Honestly we should probably be in the streets already as a nation. The problem is complacency, as a whole we've tuned out. Thanks to just how awful and blatant the whole Republican shit has become. While everybody we need doesn't know the house on fire yet they have finally become alert enough to smell the smoke.

[stopdiggin]

15. good post

I'm in substantial agreement. Yes, there are the hard core MAGA people out there. And I don't doubt that they won't be moved no matter what. (the word "cult" has been bandied about) But I think the true metric here is .. has Trump really gained any support/supporters since the inauguration? I believe the answer there is no .. he has probably alienated more people than he has won over. We are still a deeply divided and polarized country .. but as you point out, given the very narrow margin of victory he had in 16, I think there is every reason to be hopeful that the electorate will show him the door.

[Cyrano]

16. "We should probably be in the streets ..."

That won't work in Trump's America.

State National Guards, and perhaps even the army would be ordered out to put down, what Fox "news" would sell as, "a libral Democrat revolution."

Worst of all, it would give the orange creature an excuse to declare martial law. And that would give him absolute power.

We are in a very large bowl of shit. And the way out will be hard and long.

[Thomas Hurt]

14. The constants or at least consistencies at play here continue to be...

A GOP Senate who will not convict
A christofascist base who will not be moved
A Democratic base who will not be moved.
Some 30 or 40 of eligible voters who don't.

Get out the vote.