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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI expect to be disappointed by the Mueller testimony Wednesday.
I would love him to say something that makes impeachment inevitable. That without qualifications, Trump broke the Law.
But I think it will be a measured and reserved recap of his redacted report, without an new revelation.
Mike Nelson
(9,961 posts)
I am fully prepared to be disappointed.
Sanity Claws
(21,851 posts)That's because he is testifying on Wednesday.
edhopper
(33,604 posts)my brain fart.
hlthe2b
(102,328 posts)fixed
sinkingfeeling
(51,469 posts)edhopper
(33,604 posts)June-July?
sinkingfeeling
(51,469 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,189 posts)And I'll be left waiting for nothing.
edhopper
(33,604 posts)Vinca
(50,300 posts)watoos
(7,142 posts)Mueller is a truth teller, if the hearing is a dud it won't be Mueller's fault, it will be the Dem's fault for not asking the right questions.
Anyone wish that the squad was on the committee asking questions? I do.
Duppers
(28,125 posts)With evasive, equivocating tactics.
Different Drummer
(7,630 posts)I would love to see that!
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)SamKnause
(13,108 posts)I have zero expectations that he will add, or do anything of value.
His silence has been deafening.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)if I will have a good time or not..At this link you will find 35 questions many think congress should ask Mueller....including questions from Readers - my feeling about this, if Mueller answers any and all of these questions, having read through them all, we will have a more clear picture - I just don't see how the questions presented at this link veers from the report...
https://www.justsecurity.org/64137/what-congress-should-ask-robert-mueller-when-he-testifies/
For example....
At Just Security another story of interest...
https://www.justsecurity.org/64972/house-should-prepare-criminal-referral-of-a-g-barr-for-lying-to-congress/
Be well..
kentuck
(111,107 posts)Democrats need to understand that it is mostly a PR production. They should attempt to contrast themselves favorably vs Republicans on the TV show.
still_one
(92,325 posts)exercise it
There are valid arguments on both sides whether that should happen or not
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)still_one
(92,325 posts)fact.
dem4decades
(11,300 posts)Fullduplexxx
(7,867 posts)Perseus
(4,341 posts)What in the latest history of deeds by Democrats would give you hope that things will turn out different? I have always been very optimistic, but I am slowly but surely becoming less optimistic about outcomes from these efforts by Democratic leaders. For example, what have they done to enforce all those subpoenas they issued and republicans have refused to comply with? How useful was Don Jr's testimony when he was the one setting up the rules? Why is Pelosi refusing to impeach? What is being done to prevent hacking of Democrat's servers, voting machines, etc?
You see? Lots to be frustrated about.
I wish good attitude, like many of us had at the beginning, would change things around, but that attitude has changed from hope to no hope due to the outcomes we have experienced in the last few months.
Harddaysknight
(4 posts)Totally reflects my opinion.Seems the most movement we have seen in Democratic leadership,is to get a bridle on AOC and the "Gang". All this is failure of leadership,and has allowed the GOP to run rampant over the rule of law.This is why I am no fan of current Dem leadership.
If AOC would announce,I'd be all over that.No more mamby pamby leadership.Go big or go home.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)would be beneficial for you.
It's clear you're unfamiliar with it, or basic details about AOC:
As directed by the Constitution, a presidential candidate must be a natural born citizen of the United States, a resident for 14 years, and 35 years of age or older
Maybe your lack of respect for Democratic leadership spilled over to AOC inadvertently.
https://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/presentationsandactivities/presentations/elections/requirements-for-president.html
You're welcome.
uponit7771
(90,348 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)that Committee members are going to have to drag additional info out of him. Not sure it's possible, and he's not likely to throw his good buddy Barr under the bus.
As Politico states: "Bill Barr and Robert Mueller have been close friends for 30 years, from the Justice Department to family weddings and the Bible study attended by both of their wives."
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)especially since Scott Dworkin is playing it up on Twitter as the Holy Grail of congressional testimony
PRETZEL
(3,245 posts)however, there will be plenty of information brought out.
Alot of this is (and a lack of a better term) for public consumption. Unless you've actually read (or at a minumum paid attention to what has been discussed) most of the testimony will be about referencing and reiterating certain conclusions within the report. Whether or not Mr. Mueller expands on underlying evidence, it will be confirmation of the written document.
I would suspect that the main purpose is to identify points of discussion for the general public.
Cirque du So-What
(25,962 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,649 posts)If Meuller did nothing but read from his report in response to questions form the committees, it could still be used to justify impeachment, if the leadership move aggressively to use Meullers testimony to highlight Trumps crimes.
Beringia
(4,316 posts)Response to edhopper (Original post)
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Habibi
(3,598 posts)no expectations. Except, maybe, some of the folks out there who believed the Mueller report exonerated Trump on conspiracy and obstruction might watch and learn something.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)Let us hope we are wrong about this, let us hope that his testimony opens a lot of people's eyes and understand that we are in an emergency, that we do have a crook in the White House being aided by a bunch of other crooks from the republican party, the the creature is in fact, an evil creature.
frogmarch
(12,158 posts)I won't be disappointed if he doesn't deliver. If he does, I'll be surprised and ecstatic.
renate
(13,776 posts)Because if it were clearly damning, it should have been in there in the first place, and he would lose his considerable credibility.
He simply needs to say that Trump wasnt cleared of anything, just that there was insufficient (not nonexistent) evidence of collusion, and that he felt it was not his place but Congress to make any charges of obstruction, but that there was evidence to support that charge. Testifying that Trump has been lying about no obstruction no collusion will come as a surprise to a lot of Americans who dont pay close attention to the news.
There wont be any surprises tomorrow, just clarification. Which is what we need when we have a Liar in Chief as a president.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Muller has said as much but concluded he couldn't prove intent beyond a reasonable doubt. Hello, how about that Trump Tower meeting with the campaign and Russians.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)He'll affirm that he did it and wrote it up. He will not make prosecutorial decisions, as he believed it was not his charge.
Expect further distractions too, until the rw learns that nothing will come of it, then they'll praise Mueller and say that if there was a crime why won't the House impeach.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)He will not answer why no indictments came out of the Trump Tower meeting other than against the Russian lawyer.
He will not answer why his prosecutorial judgement saying it would be unfair to indict people for crimes when the President is not indicted for the same crime. That decision let a whole host of Trump family members and Trump insiders off the hook. How is that serving justice?
elocs
(22,596 posts)Many will though, just as they were with the Mueller Report.
Here's a news flash though: Impeachment does not remove Trump from office. Now I bet that's disappointing news.
edhopper
(33,604 posts)but I am of the opinion that impeachment with the Senate ignoring the crimes that are revealed, hurts Trump and the GOP in 2020.
elocs
(22,596 posts)but just a way of exacting a pound of flesh from Trump. Just because you don't impeach doesn't mean you ignore Trump's crimes. The Senate is the jury and just because a jury does not convict doesn't mean the did not hear the evidence or that the evidence of the crime was not revealed.
However, if Trump is impeached and then not convicted and wins reelection and it is shown that his impeachment actually helped him, not a single person who is calling for impeachment now would admit it but would call it fake news.
What defeats Trump is the Left uniting behind the Democratic candidate with no pouting or purity tests and then turning out in record numbers to vote for that person.
edhopper
(33,604 posts)but disagree with the first graph. With the understanding that know one knows what will happen if we do or don't. We are making predictions with very little data to go by.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)He may also react like a cornered animal to impeachment, and do God knows what to deflect.
It will not convince a single Trump supporter who's still with him after all he's done. They won't believe any facts, or they just won't care.
Any Dem Senators in Red states who vote yes for impeachment will lose GOP voters and if they vote no, Democratic Socialists of America will primary them and by doing so, make it easier for the GOP challenger.
Same with Democratic congresspersons in swing district.
The cons outweigh the pros at this point.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)The witness' failure to answer can be very damning, if the question is asked the right way.
Cetacea
(7,367 posts)That gives the GOP five to six weeks to "swift-boat" any gains made by Mueller's public hearing. No accident.
Nitram
(22,845 posts)something good will come of it. Best case scenario, the interview moves public opinion far enough to make impeachment a likely result. I give that about a 1.5% chance.
Greybnk48
(10,170 posts)Harddaysknight
(4 posts)I don't have as much confidence as most either.Look what happened with Barr.Most of the posters here thought we was an honorable man,but he turned out to be Republican first.
I guess we will see if he holds being a Republican more important than being open and honest.
Nothing I'd like to see more than Lumpy impeached,except maybe seeing his picture on a milk carton.
canetoad
(17,175 posts)"Most of the posters here thought we was an honorable man..."
Could you point me to any of these posts? TIA.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)JustFiveMoreMinutes
(2,133 posts)... and having writ... history is recorded.
King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)Their mission will be to disrupt (lots of angry, loud over-talking),
distract (finger-pointing, what-aboutisms) and defame (personal
attacks against Mueller and the FBI).
I don't know how cement-heads like those two get elected
into any public office. Angry, drunken, fratboys...
mnhtnbb
(31,399 posts)to some very pointed questions from members of both committees. Remember, quite a few Dem members of both committees are attorneys. They also have been holding practice sessions to hear Mueller's testimony. I expect a number of sound bites to be generated from Mueller that are going to be played over and over again on the news that will make it clear to the American people that 45 has committed high crimes and misdemeanors.
The real question is, what are the Democrats going to do about it? Will they take the steps to open an impeachment inquiry?