Evidence shows hackers changed votes in 2016 but few will admit it.

[triron]

https://www.countable.us/articles/5863-evidence-shows-hackers-changed-votes-2016-election-admit-michael-harriot-root

"...when it comes to whether or not Russin operatives actually changed votes or voter rolls, no one will admit to it, regardless of the mountain of circumstantial evidence."

[Iliyah]

1. It will happen again and again.

Dems know .. . . .

[triron]

2. I don't see much alarm. Do you?

[dflprincess]

3. I never doubted it

and the vague but angry responses some members of Congress had after receiving classified briefings on the subject of Russian interference reinforced my belief.

Maxine Waters came out of the House briefing spitting tacks. But the one that sealed it for me; Grassley & Feinstein came out together, both looked like they wanted to hurl and Grassley stood back & let Feinstein do all the talking to the press. That seemed so out of character that it was clear they had heard something awful.

[Wellstone ruled]

6. The Facial expression on Feinstein's face

was one of horror. They,meaning her and Grassley heard the real truth and both were shocked beyond belief..

Within a few hours,Grassley fell in line with a GOP Narrative of denial which is still being peddled yet today. As for Feinstein,she has yet to be questioned in public about this meeting at a later date.

[Thekaspervote]

11. I remember it well. A defining moment in our history

[Buckeyeblue]

30. If she really was told votes were changed

Then she owes it to the country to speak out, personal consequences be damned. That's the problem with our government. There are too many secrets. And when there are secrets, lies and misinformation flourish.

[Wellstone ruled]

38. There was stories about

Machine Counts and Recounts in three or four Counties in the MidWest,that were supposedly adjusted . Four Tabulators in one County in Wisconsin were photoed with their seals broken. BTW,these same machines were latter taken to a Scrap Yard. The real kicker was,the Hacker Convention here in Vegas was able to buy all the Machines they needed on E-Bay.

When you lose 200k votes in the City of Detroit,nuf said.

[triron]

39. Wow! 200K? I did not know that.

Hillary won Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and probably Florida.

[Buckeyeblue]

44. I live in Michigan. And I agree that the small winning margins were interesting

But I need more evidence to be convinced. Why wouldn't the House be investigating this? Personally, I think HRC had a get out the vote problem. Comey's memo didn't help. At our precinct, we vote with a paper ballot that is tabulated by the scanner. I'm not sure where the opportunity to change the votes would be.

[Wellstone ruled]

47. Scanner Tabulator's are so hackable

as proven by the Hacker Convention. As someone who spend 10-12 hours a day in the final week phone banking,your get out to vote is valid as well as a sucky message which did not sprout legs in many Midwestern areas.

[MichMan]

54. There was no way 200K votes were "lost" in Detroit

According to the City of Detroit 2016 Election results (link posted below)

Hillary received 95 % of the vote in Detroit with 234,871 votes

Trump only got 3 % with 7682 votes

How did 200k votes get lost in Detroit?


https://detroitmi.gov/document/november-8-2016-official-general-election-results

[triron]

59. Maybe includes suburbs?

[questionseverything]

62. what his link shows is how many votes were reported...not how many were on polling lists

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

[MichMan]

65. Your link shows the opposite of what you think it does

Not only weren't 200K votes lost, there were actually extra votes recorded. It was a relatively small number and those were most likely for HRC.

Detroit had 512K total registered voters in 2016 and turnout was 49% which aligned with previous elections. ( For reference in 2012, Detroit had 568K registered voters with 51 % turnout and President Obama got 98% )

Still haven't seen anything to support the 200K claim that was made about lost votes and the data shows nothing that makes 2016 any different than 2012.

Here are the 2012 results

https://detroitmi.gov/document/november-6-2012-general-official-election-results-summary

[questionseverything]

67. i never made the claim that 200k votes were lost in detroit

but your link does not show how many people voted it shows how many votes were counted...is big difference

is one problem with the non transparency of the vote reporting process...the how many voted is never reported on the same page as the results so you cant compare to see if they are even physically possible

which as my link shows..they were not possible in many precincts

your 49% comes from the highest number of votes counted in any race NOT from the signed polling sheets

what I remember hearing was 40,000 undervotes in Detroit, moore did foias and said ballot after ballot, peops would vote dem up and down the line but the president was not filled in......but there were months in between the election and the foias so the chain of custody is non existent


bradblog is an excellent source they covered all of this at the time

[MichMan]

68. You didn't, but the post I replied to did make that claim

The problem is that claiming that 200K votes for Clinton were lost in Detroit is a totally unsubstantiated claim that negates any serious argument about problems in the 2016 election.

There were plenty of issues to discuss without people making stuff up that clearly wasn't possible

[questionseverything]

69. but what you said about how many people voted is inaccurate too

the 200k votes he was talking about could of been the votes that could not be counted in the recount because the polling data and the reported votes is not physically possible

you are ignoring my point that we are accepting election results after being given data that is physically impossible


and then you wave the states report (which includes numbers my link shows are physically impossible)

[MichMan]

70. If you choose not to believe the City of Detroit's own website, that is up to you.

I posted the election results directly from Detroits own website.

Being that Detroit has been governed by Dems for over 40 years, I have no reason to think that their own election results are anything but true as reported by Clerk Janice Winfrey.

By the way, I copied this from the link you posted

"Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. "

How does extra votes being recorded in 1/3 of the precincts create the conclusion that 200k votes were lost?

[questionseverything]

71. it is the vender thats incorrect ,the clerk uses what the city has purchased

https://bradblog.com/?p=7875


It's taken a week or so of going from one election official to another to to unwind the mess, and only some of the anomalies detailed above were finally explained.

In trying to sort it all out, The BRAD BLOG spoke to a clerk at the Secretary of State's office, the State's Director of Elections and, on the local level, the Monroe County Clerk, Election Commissioner and Elections Coordinator. None of them were able to explain the most troubling aspect of the numbers.

State Election Director Carter Hawkins was able to explain the reason for the 0% undervote issue, in both the May 19th numbers, as well as the later, officially certified numbers of May 25th.

He told us that the way Arkansas calculates turnout is by adding up votes cast in the largest race (or, in the case of a primary election like the one on May 18th, the largest race in each party's election), discounting all of the overvotes and undervotes, and using that number as "voter turnout."

[triron]

72. Why Arkansas?

[questionseverything]

75. just trying to show him how the software reports the turn out number

He told us that the way Arkansas calculates turnout is by adding up votes cast in the largest race (or, in the case of a primary election like the one on May 18th, the largest race in each party's election), discounting all of the overvotes and undervotes, and using that number as "voter turnout."


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the software Detroit uses is very similar to what Arkansas was using then..same company dif year

did ya notice the report he showed had different turn out numbers for the first page versus the 2nd page of report?

that is because those numbers do not represent "how many voted" they represent the biggest number counted in any race on that page

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[MichMan]

73. What does Monroe County Ar. have absolutely anything to do with Detroit?

[questionseverything]

74. there are only 3 venders, they all work basically the same

trying to show you what the program shows as "how many voted" is not always accurate


the Detroit free press article should of shown you that since it showed when they matched polling lists to results they found more votes than voters


you are acting like I am attacking the clerk but all clerks trust the companies that provide election software, which are privately owned and proprietary so WE THE PEOPLE don't get to double check anything


anything but an open honest counting system is wrong

[MichMan]

79. Still trying to understand how reports of a few extra votes being cast transforms to 200K missing?

Yes, there were more votes cast than voters in a number of precincts. This was due to errors by the poll workers and in almost all cases was just a handful of votes. The poll workers did not do their jobs in reconciling at the end of the day. Clerk Winfrey has assured that won't happen again.

Posting an article about extra votes to argue that 200K votes were missing makes no sense whatsoever.

[MichMan]

76. The 2016 election was very similar to 2012 in Detroit

Comparison between 2012 & 2016 City of Detroit showing the similarities.

2012

568,854 registered voters (this from the cities own election board)

281,743 votes for Obama. (98%)
6,019 for Romney (2%)
Turnout 51%


2016

511,786 registered voters

234,871 votes for Clinton (95%)
7682 votes for Trump (3%)
Turnout 49%


Note: in order for their to be 200K lost votes for Hillary in 2016 in Detroit, one would have to believe that ;

A) HRC got over 150K more votes than President Obama.

B) Turnout in 2016 would have to be 85% compared to 51% in 2012.

I dont think anyone rational would expect that Hillary was wildly more popular in an AA city like Detroit than President Obama was 4 years earlier.

[questionseverything]

77. you are not responding to what i have said about "how many voted"

so this is pointless

you are still using links with software that is not accurate

if what I said isn't true, why are the turn out numbers from page 1 and page 2 different on the first link you posted?

[MichMan]

81. This ? My comments in bold

November 8, 2016

Precincts Counted 662 100 %

Registered Voters Total 511,786

Ballots Cast Total Pages 497,045 (248,780 for page 1 & 248,265 for page 2 = 497,045)

Ballots Cast Total 248,780 (Page 1 of 2 page ballot)

Ballots Cast Total Page 2 248,265 (Page 2 of the ballot. Apparently 515 voters only filled out page 1)

Voter Turnout total 48.61 %

https://detroitmi.gov/document/november-8-2016-official-general-election-results

[questionseverything]

84. ok so then we agree the ballots cast number refers to how many votes were counted,not how many

people showed up to vote?


497,045 is not how many showed up to vote ,that would be 80% plus turn out

[MichMan]

86. Sigh...

The ballot had 2 pages (page 1 and page 2)

The total number of pages submitted was 497,045

Of that total, 248,780 voters filled out page 1 & 248,265 filled out page 2. (248,780 + 248,265 = 497,045 total # of pages)

Therefore 248,780 people showed up to vote and cast ballots

I can't explain why 515 people didn't fill out both pages. Either they didn't understand there were 2 pages, or they weren't interested in those offices and ballot proposals.

[questionseverything]

88. now you are saying there was not 1 undervote?

248,780 is the largest number of votes reported not how many people actually voted

which brings us back to the fact that you don't actually know what the turn out was

the only way to get that number is to get the polling list from every precinct and add them up


when this was done 37% of the precincts results were not physically possible...I could not find where the total,"how many voted" was reported in the Detroit paper


in accounting they taught us, if you are off by a penny, you could be off by a thousand

you keep bringing up obamas numbers but you don't know that they were accurate either, all vote counting software is owned by repubs, maybe they shaved a few points off obamas win just to keep him from getting the mandate he deserved


why you are trying to defend something so totally non transparent ,I don't know

[MichMan]

89. Yep, you are right

One undervote is the same as 200K "lost" votes


smh

[questionseverything]

90. i never aurgued anything about 200k votes lost

I explained why the link u posted did not have the info on it you thought it had

can we agree that the ballots cast number is actually the number of votes counted not how many people voted or not?

[triron]

80. With Clinton's huge majority in Detroit that was more than enough to give her Michigan.

[questionseverything]

82. hard to say,,,, she lost by less than 11,000 votes

MORE
Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News.
Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.
Detroit’s voting irregularities spur state audit

The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.
Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.

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my original point was and is the "how many voted" number is not actually reported on the city clerks web site,even tho ,it is called that


until we have hand counted paper ballots, counted openly and transparently with a tight chain of custody for the actual ballots and THE REPORTING OF RESULTS ...we will never know if the stated winner is actually the winner or not

[MichMan]

83. It might have if turnout was comparable to 2012

It wasn't.

While Clinton was widely popular in Detroit getting 95 % of the votes, turnout was down a few % over 2012.

Realistically, I don't think anyone would have expected Clinton would generate the same amount of enthusiasm as President Obama did in a city that is 82% AA.

[triron]

85. I agree with the last statement but not your premise.

Russian hackers would not have to work that hard in Michigan, it appears, to give Trump the win.

[MichMan]

87. My premise is only that 200K votes were not taken from HRC in the city of Detroit

Not speaking anything about anything else. Just refuting that dubious claim that was made that wasn't remotely possible.

[iluvtennis]

14. Yep, I recall that moment as well.

[blaze]

34. That was over two years ago!!

I remember it well.

You have to scroll a bit to get the video.

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/senate-intel-leaders-feinstein-and-grassley-grim-and-silent-after-trump-russia-briefings-with-comey/

[Ilsa]

43. I have long suspected they flipped votes for Clinton

to both Trump and Stein.

I don't know the total number of precincts in MI, WI, and PA, but I think hackers would need to flip only a few, maybe 5 or 6, in each precinct, on average, to put The Orange Menace ahead. I was basing this off an estimate of the total number of precincts, so I'm not certain how many per precinct need to be flipped to get 78,000 among 3 states.

[questionseverything]

52. in wisconsin she lost by 21,000 votes and there are about 3200 precincts

so less than 7 votes per would need to be adjusted

[Ilsa]

58. No, only 3.5 on avg, I think. One candidate gets reduced by

3.5, the other goes up by that much. The only places to skip are very small (likely rural) precincts. And I bet most of those were heavily trump anyway.

Who would know unless there is a backup?

[questionseverything]

61. i have done a lot of comparing "tape results" to "published results" over the years

it can be done many dif ways....a lil here ,a lil there, then all of a sudden a big batch of 60-70 votes gets "dropped" and that is just from foias ,not seeing the actual ballots


just an error or glitch

the point is no one would ever know because ballots are not counted in an open, transparent matter


and wisconisin recounts are a joke because the chain of custody is a joke


bradblog is excellant source

[Ilsa]

63. Yes! Bradblog has it covered! nt

[Hoyt]

4. Felt like I was reading one of those "Oswald wasn't even there," and the Twin Towers were blown up

by Americans and made to look like planes crashed into the buildings, conspiracy theories. I think hacking votes, without detection after years of investigation, is unlikely, although not impossible.

[dflprincess]

10. It is one of those things that would get swept under the rug

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"for the good of the country".

[SergeStorms]

16. We wouldn't want Trump to think...

he was illegitimately selected as president. I'm sure he and Putin - during one of their many private convos - worked everything out for a 2020 reprise as well.

[triron]

50. You got it figured out.

[anarch]

64. yup. I think whatever bits of evidence have been discovered, have been suppressed

because there's frankly no good way out of this--there's no "re-do" on presidential elections; and there's no way, assuming for the sake of the discussion that votes were flipped (let's say by a simple piece of malware in the tabulating SW that switches 1 out of every 100 Clinton votes to Stein...just as an example of how it might be done), there's no way it happened without the GOP being involved.

I think the country has literally been stolen by criminals, and the "reasonable" people left in government have no recourse but to go with it, now that the situation has been legitimized and blessed "officially." I put most of this on McConnell, but you can't really give the outgoing prior administration a pass as far as keeping things quiet and just "going along to get along."

[watoos]

29. Why would hacking voting machines be unlikely?

I have been voting into a black hole in Pa. for decades, no paper trail, not that even having a paper trail may matter. Why couldn't voting machines be pre-programmed to flip votes? No machines are ever pulled out and independently audited because the machine owners claim proprietary rights to their software.

When exit polling and actual vote counts differ there is an excellent probability that the election was rigged. Exit polling is extremely reliable, only after the advent of electronic voting did the narrative emerge that exit polling was unreliable.

[Hoyt]

35. "Unlikely" that is the reason trump won in 2016. The fact it COULD happen, doesn't mean it did.

I actually don't believe Exit Polling is that precise when a voter has to admit to voting for a racist cad.

Paper ballots aren't safe either. Decades ago, losers often blamed miscounted, lost, fake ballots for their lose.

If we vote, we win. If supposed Democrats get upset because their candidate didn't get nominated, they stay home, vote for 3rd Party, or even vote for the GOPer. In that case we lose.

In 2016, it was clear we were in trouble very early when the Kentucky vote came in and Clinton was not doing anywhere near what was projected.

[Baltimike]

97. "after years of investigation"

There was only a cover up

[alwaysinasnit]

5. I am not surprised that there are very few people or news organizations talking about this.

The implication being that this administration and all actions and decisions it has taken are illegitimate, is a mind-boggling idea that no one has an answer as to how to deal with it. I wouldn't be able to wrap my head around the ramifications.

[BigmanPigman]

7. ......

I have no words!!!!!!!!

[magicarpet]

31. A faint appearance of a Democracy is all that is required...

.... besides a genuine Democracy is messy, confusing, and cumbersome - why would or should one endure all that ?

A faux Democracy is sufficient and all that is really required.

The creep towards Fascism is intentionally designed to be nearly imperceptible. Before you know - it is upon you - it has its death grip and strangle hold long before you realize Fascism has hijacked your entire political and economic infrastructures and has gained a strong foothold of these systems. By then it is often too late for corrective or remedial actions.

The perception management and brainwashing of a society is now complete,... Once again Fascism will flourish and triumph because the voice of reason was allowed to become silent or otherwise smothered.

Will we stand by and watch this happen and do nothing ?

[lunamagica]

8. K&R for visibility

[benld74]

9. Paper ballots

[usaf-vet]

12. Bush v Gore. Hanging chads. SCOTUS decision. Electronic voting nationwide.

In my mind, it's a straight line to where we are today.

I have always seen that election as the jumping-off point for a GOP long-range plan to alter the election system to ensure GOP dominance for decades to come. Electronic voting ensures a pathway to alter election results. Electronic voting with no auditable ballot makes stealing votes within the margin of error as a nearly universal undetectable option to alter (steal) elections.

Voter fraud, election fraud, gerrymandering, stacking all of the country's courts, voter suppression, controlling the immigration system and the whiteness (likely GOP voters) of immigrants, etc, etc, etc.

It's IMO their plan and they are steadily marching toward the goal. The 2020 election may be the necessary linchpin for the irreversible completion of the plan.

From there they will have cut off all possible routes for oppositional voices to be heard and judge.

[LittleGirl]

13. I believe it.

I know those machines are hackable and the look on 45's face when he accepted the presidency said it all. He didn't want the job. He wanted the advertisement.
We've been scammed.

[True Blue American]

22. I worked with those

Electronic machines. My Republican partner at the polls called the Diebold machines a piece of junk that would not last 4 years. They have been raiding other machines to keep them going. We did get a paper trail. We can blame Ken Blackwell. He was AG then, friends with the owner.

Replacing them this year finally. They better be paper.

[LittleGirl]

32. Paper is the only way to go. Eom

[iluvtennis]

15. The powers that be will never admit that it happened. The US has parroted "free and fair" elections

around the world for umpteen years, and to admit that the elections weren't fair in the USA just won't happen.

Have always believed that some tinkering went on with the votes when Trump edged out 3 swing states by a paltry 77,000 votes to win the EC.

[groundloop]

33. Between 'vote tinkering', messing with voter rolls, last minute moves of polling locations.......

The net result of the many right wing dirty tricks is that they're rigging elections just enough to hold onto power. In Georgia, for instance, Brian Kemp was the Secretary of State (and therefore responsible for running the election) while at the same time he was the repub gubernatorial candidate. Running up to the election he ordered massive purges of voter rolls which affected black communities the most. On election day there was a last minute move of a polling location in (drum roll please) a black community which meant that many voters who normally had to walk to their polling place wouldn't be able to vote.

I remember a few years ago reading about a college young republican group that hid the college vans the day before an election so that the campus Democratic club couldn't drive poor and disabled voters to the local polling location. These right wingers grow up believing it's their right and their duty to fuck with elections.

[iluvtennis]

41. Indeed. GOPers a bunch of cheating obstructionists. The thing w/Stacey Abrams was appalling.

[Alice_the_Patriot]

17. Should be a major election issue

All signs show machines were hacked in Florida, as admitted by officials, and I understand evidence is continuing to build in other swing states as well. Democrats should make this a top priority issue. If Trump is an illegitimate President, as he most certainly his, all of his executives orders should be null and void, as well as his policies, his appointments, etc.

Hillary becomes President, the Supreme court is no longer a disaster, the government is intact, democracy is saved, no crisis on the border, no budget trashing tax cuts for the rich and punishment for everyone else, the pubic schools become properly funded, perhaps the earth is saved from global warming, no more Presidential murders in the Mexican desert and Porto Rico, tariff's, gaffs, crimes, stupidities, new safe guards set to prevent abuse of power, no GOP judges finding hair-splitting, non-sensual loopholes, prosecutors claiming they have no conclusive evidence of crimes by police when films and recorders seemingly prove the opposite, then calling for convictions in death sentence cases involving minorities when there is admittedly flimsy evidence, or when exculpatory witnesses aren't called.

The two male abusers of women on the Supreme Court won their seats in pretend hearing to which witnessed to their deviant behavior were not called to testify. The orange headed nazi monkey is being protected by a Republican party that has disgraced itself in its protection of a malignant Manchurian Candidate criminal. It's most embraced methods of holding office are: paying off evangelical leaders, trickery to disenfranchise non-whites by gerrymandering, re-writing campaign finance laws to allow the rich increased influence, buying congress, receiving help from America's enemies, flat-out lying about everything, gas lighting, catering to racists, which includes murder, kidnapping, torturing emigrants, keeping babies in cages, etc.

All could be cured by one thing: declare Thump illegitimate. As such, he could be tried in the house for his crimes. No need to consult the Senate in relation to legitimacy. If not a legitimate President, he would not be impeached. Just arrested for tampering with an election. Or, if not, the House could stop all Trump projects involving money on the grounds there is no President,

If the administration takes the matter to the Supreme court, all four liberal justices could simply stay home. Six present are needed for a quorum. The House could not be ordered to change its position. State court decisions do not have to be honored by the house.

[triron]

40. In a sane world this would happen. But we live in the matrix.

[MFM008]

18. They will find a way to tweak

A few thousand in a few states.
Our response must be overwhelming so it
Doesnt matter.

[elocs]

19. Well we need as many ready made excuses for a loss in 2020 as possible.

How did hacking impact those who chose not to vote since there was no difference between Clinton and Trump?

[pecosbob]

20. Karl Rove on FOX election night 2012 meltdown over Ohio

[True Blue American]

23. That was a sight to see.

Fox news had to prove to him Ohio had been called, electing President Obama. One of 2 nights I will always remember.

The other was Sherrod Brown flying from his Mother’s funeral to cast the deciding vote on the Aca at midnight.

I was proud of Ohio then. Not so much now. Sherrod dumped DeWine, now he is back as Governor.

[pecosbob]

24. I've always been glad Brown is in the Senate

I hope he remains there for some time to come. The working people of the country need more like him in their corner.

[True Blue American]

28. I think the reason

Brown did not run for President is DeWine would love to replace him. Sherrod dumped Mike out of the Senate.

[triron]

45. So the expected vote flipping didn't occur or what?

[pecosbob]

46. I believe that was the concensus/speculation (at least among progressives)

that some attempted manipulation had failed.

[YOHABLO]

21. If info this huge hit the public, voting confidence will further diminish.

Somebody, somewhere knows this has happened and I wouldn't be surprised if it were in states that Trump won by a very slim margin. I'm voting of course, but I wish we could get the experts to address it. National Security threat or not.

[True Blue American]

25. Republicans actually had posted watchers at the polls

Paying them more than the poll workers. We were lucky enough to have a nice one. They caused all kinds of trouble in Democratic areas. The fight went on for days.

[YOHABLO]

26. Interesting to know which state you're in. But I understand if not.

[True Blue American]

27. Ohio

And I think the votes were hacked in more ways than one. Husted filed suit after suit trying to cut down on minority voting, firing County Officials who got their jobs back, but refused to work with Husted.

That country Chairman is now on my City Council, Dennis Lieberman. His wife Debbie used to be, is now on the County Council.

[Hoyt]

36. If Democrats didn't put poll watchers there, they messed up and need to correct it in 2020.

Both Parties are allowed to place Poll Watchers.

[True Blue American]

37. This was during the Obama years.

I never witnessed a poll watcher until then and never saw one after that one year. Most poll workers are there to see the election is fair. 2 Republicans, 2 Democrats.

[brooklynite]

42. I didn't see any evidence in that blogger's opinion piece...

...and none of the Democratic candidates who lost clam votes were flipped.

[questionseverything]

51. hc made a point of saying we need paper ballots...after her loss

judge rawl of sc said he lost his primary to electronic election theft


so did Volkswagen use software to cheat on its mileage tests or not?


software can make anything appear to have happened

[brooklynite]

55. One candidate losing a primary is what's known as a statistically insignificant sample...

What did the SC Democratic Party have to say?

[questionseverything]

56. same as u..nothing to see here folks move along

Greene Indicted on Obscenity Charges

South Carolina's mystery Democratic nominee for the U.S. Senate (the one whose election "victory" is only explicable through malfeasance or malfunction of the 100% unverifiable ES&S iVotronic touch-screen voting systems) was indicted on obsenity charges yesterday. One of the charges was an "extremely rare" felony count. The state Democratic Party chairwoman, Carol Fowler --- the one who presided over the 5-hour Executive Board protest hearing by Greene's primary opponent Judge Vic Rawl who argued that voting machine failure was the only explanation for the unknown, jobless, money-less, campaign-less Greene having "won" --- has asked him, again, to voluntarily step down from the nomination. When asked if he'd be willing to accept the nomination if Greene steps down, Rawl has told The BRAD BLOG previously that he'd cross that bridge when/if he came to it.

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yes a homeless guy without a cell phone beats an honored judge with 400 offices and 1000s of volunteers on repub owned machines and no one is "surprised"

[triron]

48. To quote from this article:

"We know, from Vladimir Putin’s own words, that he wanted Trump to win the 2016 election. We know that Russian agents interfered. The entire intelligence community agrees that Russia targeted the election systems in at least 21 states and breached the barriers in at least 8 states.

Every single source agrees that Russian could have changed votes. We know it is not a difficult task. We know it is so easy, even a 16-year-old could do it. Every single shred of publicly available evidence says Russian hackers would have altered voter rolls and votes.

Yet, we are supposed to believe that Vladimir Putin concocted this vast, Russian-sponsored effort that included propaganda, computer experts, spies and an international ring of hackers, but when he was actually successful at breaking into voting systems, all they did was look around and change nothing?"

[wiggs]

93. important.

unfortunately, I suspect there are those on both sides of the aisle who don't want it known our elections are meaningless. nt

[triron]

94. Yes I think most if not all of the leaderships are in this boat together.

Now someone like AOC might spill the beans but who would listen?

[triron]

49. knr

[hughee99]

53. How do you hack vote totals weeks before the election?

[Smackdown2019]

57. What is to say Hackers will go for trump this time?

What IF they do a major lopsided vote for the Blue? OR for the third party?

A hackers goal could be to cause chaos, not establish a win for their corner.

Worst, what if hackers are trying to fight the clock and other hackers are doing the SAME goal? Either way, digital votes are too unsafe in our democracy. We must have paper ballots!

[triron]

60. Whoever Putin is directing them to.

[triron]

66. kick for visibility

[DemocraticSocialist8]

78. There is evidence that millions of votes were impacted by CrossCheck

in 2016. There is considerable evidence that Trump is illegitimate. Society isn't ready to accept that our elections have become fraudulent. I think there's been too much attention given to Russia instead of homegrown voter suppression that is 100% race-based and much more well-documented. It's just easier to point at a foreign adversary instead of right-wing extremist politicians in America who are completely anti-democratic.

[triron]

92. It's both. And I'm sure the russians helped with voter suppression efforts by pukes.

[Baltimike]

91. knr

[rockfordfile]

95. You don't have to hack the vote from the outside as long as you have help.

[Baltimike]

96. adit it? They will FREAK OUT when you say it at all. nt