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pbmus

(12,422 posts)
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 03:31 PM Jul 2019

National Popular Vote...The only way to guarantee 'The Con goes to jail'

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The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes across all 50 states and the District of Columbia. Explanation. It has been enacted into law in 16 jurisdictions with 196 electoral votes (CA, CO, CT, DC, DE, HI, IL, MA, MD, NJ, NM, NY, OR, RI, VT, WA). See map. The bill will take effect when enacted by states with 74 more electoral votes. The bill has passed one house in 8 additional states with 75 electoral votes (AR, AZ, ME, MI, MN, NC, NV, OK), including a 40–16 vote in the Republican-controlled Arizona House and a 28–18 in Republican-controlled Oklahoma Senate, and been approved unanimously by committee votes in two additional Republican-controlled states with 26 electoral votes (GA, MO).
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fallout87

(819 posts)
1. Never gonna happen
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 03:42 PM
Jul 2019

It would require red states to voluntarily give up the power they have VIA the EC.

In short... not a snowballs chance in hell.

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
3. Snowballs rolling down hill get bigger and bigger...
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 03:52 PM
Jul 2019


Good news. A record 4 states enacted the National Popular Vote bill so far in 2019. The bill is now law in 16 states. These states have 196 electoral votes. This is only 74 short of the 270 needed to activate the bill, thereby guaranteeing the Presidency to the candidate receiving the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.

Bad news. Our opponents have recently expanded their lobbying staff because they can see that we have a clear path to 270. Will you help us fight back, and make National Popular Vote a reality?

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Donations like yours to National Popular Vote are vital to getting the bill passed in additional states. Your donation enables our traveling and local representatives to talk with state legislators on a year-round basis. We meet with virtually every state legislator and the numerous people and organizations that influence them. We also do extensive public relations and educational efforts. The National Popular Vote organization is a non-profit corporation. We can't do these things without supporters like you.

The National Popular Vote bill is an achievable political goal. The bill has been enacted into law by 5 small jurisdictions (Delaware, Hawaii, Rhode Island, Vermont, and the District of Columbia), 8 medium-sized states (Colorado, Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, Washington state), and 3 big states (California, Illinois, and New York). It has also passed one house in 8 additional states with 75 electoral votes (AR, AZ, ME, MI, MN, NC, NV, OK). A total of 3,408 state legislators among all 50 states have endorsed it. Click on map for more information.

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BACKGROUND

The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.

It would make every vote equal throughout the United States.

It would guarantee that every voter in every state matters in every presidential election.

The shortcomings of the current system of electing the President stem from "winner-take-all" laws that have been enacted at the state level. These laws award 100% of a state's electoral votes to the candidate receiving the most popular votes in each state.

Because of these state winner-take-all laws, five of our 45 Presidents (including two of the last three) have come into office without having won the most popular votes nationwide.

Another problem occurs in every presidential election, namely that presidential candidates have no reason to campaign in, or pay attention to, voters in states where they are safely ahead or hopelessly behind.

In 2012, 100% of the general-election campaign events (and virtually all campaign expenditures) were concentrated in the 12 closely divided "battleground" states where Romney's support was 45%-51%. Thirty-eight states were totally ignored, including almost all small states, medium-sized states, rural states, western states, southern states, and northeastern states. Two-thirds of the events (176 of 253) were concentrated in just 4 states (OH, FL, VA, IA).

Similarly, in 2016, almost all (94%) general-election campaign events were in the 12 battleground states where Trump's support was in the narrow range of 43%-51%. Two-thirds of the campaign events (273 of 399) were in just 6 states (OH, FL, VA, NC, PA, MI).

It does not take an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to change existing state winner-take-all laws. State winner-take-all laws were enacted by state legislatures under their authority under Article II of the U.S. Constitution:
"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors...."

These state laws may be changed in the same way as they were originally enacted -- namely by action of the state legislature.

The winner-take-all method of awarding electoral votes was not the Founding Fathers' choice. It was used by only three states in the nation's first presidential election in 1789 (and repealed by all three by 1800). Winner-take-all was never debated at the Constitutional Convention or mentioned in the Federalist Papers.

The National Popular Vote interstate compact will go into effect when enacted by states with a majority of the presidential electors—that is, 270 of 538. After the compact comes into effect, each individual voter in all 50 states and DC will acquire a direct vote in the choice of all of the presidential electors from all of the states that enacted the compact. The presidential candidate supported by the most voters in all 50 states and DC will thereby win a majority of the presidential electors in the Electoral College (at least 270), and therefore become President.

For additional information, see our book Every Vote Equal: A State-Based Plan for Electing the President by National Popular Vote (downloadable for free at www.NationalPopularVote.com). Chapter 9 provides short and long answers to 131 myths about the National Popular Vote bill.

Also, please take a moment and use our convenient email system to send emails reminding your state legislators in your state to support the National Popular Vote bill.

The non-profit National Popular Vote organization employs traveling and local representatives on a year-round basis to conduct one-on-one meetings with state legislators, executive-branch officials, citizens' groups, and others who influence state legislators.

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pbmus

(12,422 posts)
9. With current system, weighted voting same as electoral college...
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:14 PM
Jul 2019
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weighted_voting

Weighted voting can exist in a legislative body in which each elected representative has a different voting power (weighted vote) as determined by the total number of citizens who voted for them in the general election. For example, Evaluative Proportional Representation (EPR) in Section 5.5.5 in Proportional Representation asks each voting citizen to grade the suitability for office of as many candidates as they wish to become a member of their state's legislative body. Accordingly, the merit of each candidate is graded as being either Excellent, Very Good, Good, Acceptable, Poor, or Reject. As a result, each elected candidate receives a different weighted vote in the legislature equal to the total number of highest available grades they received from all the voters. In this way, each and every voting citizen is represented proportionately. No citizen's vote is "wasted".

In sharp contrast, Weighted voting exists in an electoral system in which not all voters have the same amount of influence over the outcome of an election. Instead, votes of different voters are given different weight during the election.

This type of electoral system is used in shareholder meetings, where votes are weighted by the number of shares that each shareholder owns. Other examples are the United States Electoral College and the European council, where the number of votes of each member state is proportional to the size of that state's population.[1]

Marcuse

(7,488 posts)
10. Perhaps I wasn't clear. I mean weighted voting in the US Senate chamber itself.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:38 PM
Jul 2019

In such a scheme the Senate vote of Kamala Harris would outweigh that of Mike Enzi by 80:1. It will never happen.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
2. Sounds simple, and it would be nice. But, some consider it unenforceable and unconstitutional.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 03:52 PM
Jul 2019
https://blog.harvardlawreview.org/the-danger-of-the-national-popular-vote-compact/

But, if it happens and works the next time we have a trump, I'm all for it.

Goodheart

(5,325 posts)
8. Unconstitutional, my butt.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:01 PM
Jul 2019

The Constitution gives state legislatures the power to appoint electors, end of story.

Edited to add:

Your linked author is absurd. Basically he's arguing that the NPVC is a bad idea because it's not likely to get enough states to participate, because some states might want to change their minds later, and because a constitutional amendment repealing the electoral college in favor of the national popular vote is the better way to go.... to which I reply what PLANET is the guy living on?

Goodheart

(5,325 posts)
6. The Colorado and New Mexico laws are the most exciting so far.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 03:57 PM
Jul 2019

Because those are the only two in the list that I consider near toss-ups.

Come on, Arizona! Come on, North Carolina!

Let's do this!

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
7. Passed the repuke controlled state congresses
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:00 PM
Jul 2019

Makes me think they are willing to deal with anyone other than the Rump (even if it's a Dem.)

Locutusofborg

(525 posts)
11. It was a shame that the Dem. Governor of Nevada vetoed it.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:40 PM
Jul 2019

The bill passed both Houses but not with veto proof margins.

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