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89-year old Buzz Aldrin approached by a moon landing denier. This is BEAUTIFUL!! (Original Post) George II Jul 2019 OP
Glorious BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #1
2002 punch out right? irisblue Jul 2019 #2
Yeah melman Jul 2019 #26
Well that is carthartic. The only positive thing to be said about war is that some of this hlthe2b Jul 2019 #3
why ? onethatcares Jul 2019 #4
So much for STEM in the USA dwayneb Jul 2019 #5
Awesome. dalton99a Jul 2019 #6
Way to go Buzz. shockey80 Jul 2019 #7
I hope the news media shows this. The American people need to be taught this lesson. shockey80 Jul 2019 #8
This took place in 2002 I think. cwydro Jul 2019 #59
He deserved that. gtar100 Jul 2019 #9
Violence is never beautiful. Big Blue Marble Jul 2019 #10
When someone calls me a coward, liar, and thief, they can damn well lastlib Jul 2019 #21
True, but expect to be hauled off to jail, or sued yaesu Jul 2019 #35
This conspiracy nutter was jabbing a Bible in Buzz's chest. backscatter712 Jul 2019 #56
Oh a Bible nut, like those who think the sun revolves around the earth, I presume. TryLogic Jul 2019 #60
Violence is SOMETIMES the solution Roy Rolling Jul 2019 #61
Now, now, a haymaker is never a proper way to deal with this sort of thing... backscatter712 Jul 2019 #55
A knee to the nuts is also effective. Plus there's no chance of breaking your fingers. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2019 #63
What you just posted is what is wrong with the American people. shockey80 Jul 2019 #24
+100 Duppers Jul 2019 #37
Vigilante "Justice." Big Blue Marble Jul 2019 #46
Since it happened 17 years ago, it seems unlikely the guy is going to try again. cwydro Jul 2019 #66
The world is full of sharks. KentuckyWoman Jul 2019 #31
Yes, indeed! Duppers Jul 2019 #39
Violence is the only method to stop a bully. Nothing else works. NutmegYankee Jul 2019 #44
When my father was approx. 6th grade, a guy bullied him repeatedly. TryLogic Jul 2019 #62
Oh please. Some motherfuckers need a fat lip. nt Codeine Jul 2019 #58
I haven't been in a fight in 45 years Bob Loblaw Jul 2019 #11
WTG, Buzz!! that's one bad-ass 89-y/o dude, there! lastlib Jul 2019 #12
The asshole's name is Bart Sibrel jmowreader Jul 2019 #13
Good for the prosecutor! George II Jul 2019 #17
Wow! GOOD on that prosecutor! calimary Jul 2019 #28
Wikipedia article: mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2019 #43
That completely changes my mind about this unblock Jul 2019 #53
You can hear Aldrin tell the guy to leave him alone DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #71
This happened back in 2002. Historic NY Jul 2019 #14
Thanks. It was posted on twitter just today, I should have researched it, but still love the punch! George II Jul 2019 #15
Oh yeah right in the kisser/// Historic NY Jul 2019 #20
Saw a brief clip this morning of Aldrin, Collins and the Armstrong family TNNurse Jul 2019 #16
Exactly what I was thinking. TreasonousBastard Jul 2019 #23
That's really great! The guy is 89 years old. Thanks for posting! n/t PatrickforO Jul 2019 #18
It's from 2002, so 72 at the time ... still wicked badass tho (nt) mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #42
That was one small punch for a man, one giant punch for mankind n/t progree Jul 2019 #19
Beautiful. Duppers Jul 2019 #40
Cool, perhaps, but... cab67 Jul 2019 #22
He was 72 at the time. onenote Jul 2019 #27
That POS harassing Buzz wasn't fit to wipe Buzz's space boots! raccoon Jul 2019 #25
Mixed feelings here. Collimator Jul 2019 #29
The video was posted today, but it happened 17 years ago (I didn't realize that when posted)... George II Jul 2019 #33
Okay. Fact update. Collimator Jul 2019 #36
In the 60's Buzz was not happy with "hippies" complaining about the cost of the moon missions yaesu Jul 2019 #30
About the punk, he really didn't believe the landings didn't happen, he was just trying to yaesu Jul 2019 #32
I've seen this before, but I still love it! llmart Jul 2019 #34
Awright, Buzz! keithbvadu2 Jul 2019 #38
Is that a vase? Sorry, no idea. mahina Jul 2019 #48
Flat Earthers, Moon Landing Deniers, Climate Change Deniers, Anti Vaxxers... Initech Jul 2019 #41
Buzz is a climate denier actually... Tiggeroshii Jul 2019 #50
I'm sure he's a tRumpster also. nt yaesu Jul 2019 #52
He's a Repubublican, so yes, he probably is. VarryOn Jul 2019 #64
Buzz is a good sport. Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #45
LOL treestar Jul 2019 #49
Celebrating violence in 2019 left-of-center2012 Jul 2019 #47
And here he is yesterday. moondust Jul 2019 #51
Who is the blonde lady over his shoulder? misanthrope Jul 2019 #68
Dunno. moondust Jul 2019 #70
Yeah, it took over a million of us Turbineguy Jul 2019 #54
And no one ever leaked misanthrope Jul 2019 #69
Buzz did nothing wrong ! courtjester Jul 2019 #57
I do not approve. Goodheart Jul 2019 #65
Makes me wonder who is the biggest dick. Not impressed at all. Doodley Jul 2019 #67

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)
3. Well that is carthartic. The only positive thing to be said about war is that some of this
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 01:39 PM
Jul 2019

late teen, early adult "angst" that translates to this "modern-day conspiracy theorist" crap, really doesn't materialize in young men-- focused on the far more immediate and important issues. Same as cultures that mark entering adulthood a difficult and sometimes life-threatening survival challenge.

At least this is what the sociologists tell me.

I wish they had more explanation for how this young man ended up like this.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
7. Way to go Buzz.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 01:52 PM
Jul 2019

That's what I do when someone insults me to my face. I have punched many people in the face during my lifetime, they all deserved it.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
8. I hope the news media shows this. The American people need to be taught this lesson.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 02:12 PM
Jul 2019

There are a lot of people in this country that need to be punched in the face. Buzz did the right thing and he is 89 years old. I love that guy.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
9. He deserved that.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 02:13 PM
Jul 2019

He called Buzz Aldrin a coward, a liar and a thief. He should have expected no less.

Big Blue Marble

(5,091 posts)
10. Violence is never beautiful.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 02:13 PM
Jul 2019

I am very disturbed by this post. How is this better than the MAGAs'?

Why do we criticize violence on the right and support this? Yes these people are unreasonable
and frustrating, but violence is not how we deal with them.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
35. True, but expect to be hauled off to jail, or sued
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 02:52 PM
Jul 2019

Buzz was set up imho, the punk deserved it but was provoking Buzz for a reason

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
56. This conspiracy nutter was jabbing a Bible in Buzz's chest.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:11 PM
Jul 2019

That's why the prosecutor declined to press charges - the nutter made the first physical contact.

Roy Rolling

(6,917 posts)
61. Violence is SOMETIMES the solution
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:27 PM
Jul 2019

We hate it, but wars break out. We must use violence to repel the aggressors.
Someone attacks our spouse, family, friends, children—-we use physical violence to intervene.
A wild boar attacks us while sleeping in our backyard tent—-we use violence to defend our life

But the point of glorifying violence is valid, just not applicable in this case. Aldrin is repelling against an aggression, just a bit overwhelmingly.

I’m not gonna judge him by the same standards as a MAGA who drives his car into a crowd of protestors. No comparison.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
55. Now, now, a haymaker is never a proper way to deal with this sort of thing...
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:07 PM
Jul 2019

It's slow, you overextend yourself, you make yourself vulnerable to your opponent.

I'd give him a proper right hook instead!

63. A knee to the nuts is also effective. Plus there's no chance of breaking your fingers.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:52 PM
Jul 2019

As an aside, did you know Buzz Aldrin's father -- who had been lobbying hard to have his son leave the LEM first -- criticized his son for not being the first person to set foot on the moon? It had been a pattern in their relationship -- nothing that Buzz did was ever good enough for his father.

NASA had selected Armstrong because they wanted the first step to be made by a civilian astronaut, and not one affiliated with the military. Also, Neil was known for being a modest and humble man, while Aldrin was considered to be a brilliant but troubled loner who did not work well with others. (See, those comments on your elementary school report cards eventually come back to haunt you.)

As the highest paid astronaut, Armstrong made $27,401 a year (about $191,000 in today's dollars). Break it down, and he was paid about $33 an hour ($233 in 2019) for the two hours and 40 minutes he spent walking on the moon.

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
24. What you just posted is what is wrong with the American people.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 02:23 PM
Jul 2019

That guy did what he did because he had no fear Buzz would do anything. Do you believe that guy will walk up to Buzz again and insult him?I don't think so. That was not violence, that was justice being served. That was a good old American attitude adjustment.

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
31. The world is full of sharks.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 02:43 PM
Jul 2019

Sometimes you have to punch a shark in the snout to live another day. Equating personal defense to whipping up a crowd to go out and attack people they never knew is just silly.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
44. Violence is the only method to stop a bully. Nothing else works.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 03:08 PM
Jul 2019

I know this from personal experience, so spare me the disapproving reply. You'd agree if you experienced my childhood.

TryLogic

(1,723 posts)
62. When my father was approx. 6th grade, a guy bullied him repeatedly.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:38 PM
Jul 2019

His mother said he would be in trouble if ever got in a fight, so the bullying continued. Finally when it was just his father witnessing the bullying (calling him names and trying to goad him into a fight), he said "Son, step over that line."
He did.
Fists flew.
The bullying and goading ceased.

I also do not like violence. I was never in a fight as a kid (or adult), but the mentality of a bully requires a response that will stop it. Hopefully, it need not be violence, but the bully need to be stopped.

How about Trump and McConnell (not using violence, of course)? It needs to stop. Stop the bully and maybe we stop the bully imitators.

Bob Loblaw

(1,900 posts)
11. I haven't been in a fight in 45 years
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 02:13 PM
Jul 2019

But I'm more ready to punch someone every day. And I'm not sure I'll stop after just one, especially if there's even the slightest resemblance to Tucker Carlson.

Buzz is badass, he went to the moon.

jmowreader

(50,559 posts)
13. The asshole's name is Bart Sibrel
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 02:15 PM
Jul 2019

Here's the scenario: Sibrel was making a "documentary" called A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Moon, where he would approach the astronauts and demand they put their hands on a Bible and swear they went to the moon. As part of it, he lured Buzz Aldrin to a hotel to, supposedly, give an interview about space to a Japanese children's television show. There was no Japanese children's television show, just Sibrel and his camera crew who ambushed Buzz with this bullshit. Buzz flattened his ass. Sibrel tried to use the video to charge Aldrin with assault; the prosecutor watched the video and told Sibrel he got what was coming to him.

calimary

(81,298 posts)
28. Wow! GOOD on that prosecutor!
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 02:33 PM
Jul 2019

I too think we’ve been WAY too nice and too forgiving and TOO ready to look the other way and “just move on.”

NO!!!! These assholes do what they do because they haven’t been stopped. They haven’t had to face co sequences or pay a price or a penalty for their shitty attitudes and shitty prejudices and shitty willful ignorance. And they’ll keep doing it as long as they aren’t forced to pay for it. Guaranteed. Goes double, triple, quadruple, and more, for trump.

unblock

(52,243 posts)
53. That completely changes my mind about this
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 03:44 PM
Jul 2019

Stupid, insulting, disrespectful words in no way justifies physical violence, no matter how often Hollywood reinforces that crap. You walk away or you give them a piece of your mind, but you do not throw the first punch, period.

But defrauding someone to get them to a different location is a vastly different thing than merely talking smack.

The punchee, in this case, crossed the line first imho.

In fact I'm surprised the prosecutor didn't find something to charge *him* with.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
71. You can hear Aldrin tell the guy to leave him alone
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 07:16 PM
Jul 2019

He doesn't and then gets a punch in the mouth.

Aldrin is 89 now, would have been 72 in 2002, but it's still impressive to punch a younger guy out like that.

TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
16. Saw a brief clip this morning of Aldrin, Collins and the Armstrong family
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 02:19 PM
Jul 2019

in the oval office with Trump. I would loved to have seen Aldrin punch Trump.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
27. He was 72 at the time.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 02:28 PM
Jul 2019

I spent some time scuba diving with Aldrin when he was 80. He was in better shape than a lot of the diver who were 50 years younger.

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
29. Mixed feelings here.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 02:39 PM
Jul 2019

Yeah, I kinda let out a little laugh when I saw the punch. However, I do agree with some of the other posters when they say that violence is not the answer.

Then I do a little rationalization math in my mind. Puncher is 89 years old. Punchee literally towers over puncher. Punchee not only insulted Puncher but actively deceived him. (Thanks to Poster who filled in the backstory information.)

Puncher didn't stab or shoot Punchee or cause any serious harm. Puncher did committ legal definition of assault--despite being an American Hero.

Perhaps the judge should have given the Puncher some form of legal punishment such as a day in jail where he could relate his tale to other inmates. Knowing who he is, even the most hardened inmates would have not messed with him. Instead, they might have applauded. Puncher could have been required to do at least one community service function. He could have been "made" to speak to a group of people--just like the Punchee lied about--and fielded legitimate questions about the scientific challenges of landing on the moon. He could have say, "Folks, this is the sort of stuff you need to say to moon-landing deniers instead of punching them."

Then everyone could applaud, even for mixed reasons. 'Cause not being perfect is different from being an asshole.

George II

(67,782 posts)
33. The video was posted today, but it happened 17 years ago (I didn't realize that when posted)...
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 02:46 PM
Jul 2019

But even at 72 years old that was great. Puncher first said "get this guy away from me", the punchee still moved in and got in his face. As a public figure, puncher could be justified in defending himself, not knowing what the punchee might have done next.

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
36. Okay. Fact update.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 02:53 PM
Jul 2019

Puncher was 72 years old. Punchee was still a punk in his physical "prime" who looked to be a full foot taller than Puncher.

For some reason, seeing someone smaller and supposedly more vulnerable take down someone larger and clearly more obnoxious is inherently funny. Still mixed feelings.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
30. In the 60's Buzz was not happy with "hippies" complaining about the cost of the moon missions
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 02:41 PM
Jul 2019

when that money could have been put to better use here on Earth. Looking back, it wasn't a bad investment, not much spent even in today's dollars. I would bet the farm that he voted republican throughout his life.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
32. About the punk, he really didn't believe the landings didn't happen, he was just trying to
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 02:46 PM
Jul 2019

get as many hits on whatever shit blog or channel he has, just my 2 cents worth.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
34. I've seen this before, but I still love it!
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 02:47 PM
Jul 2019

"When they go low, we (Buzz) goes high." Right in the kisser.

That guy will always be remembered for having an old man wipe the floor with him.

Initech

(100,079 posts)
41. Flat Earthers, Moon Landing Deniers, Climate Change Deniers, Anti Vaxxers...
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 02:57 PM
Jul 2019

Same breed of stupid, different package.

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
64. He's a Repubublican, so yes, he probably is.
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 05:26 PM
Jul 2019

But, today as we celebrate his bad-assness with Collins and Armstrong, I wont hold it against him...too much!

A great American, no doubt.

misanthrope

(7,417 posts)
68. Who is the blonde lady over his shoulder?
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 06:37 PM
Jul 2019

The cosmetic surgeries were unfortunate choices, in my humble opinion.

courtjester

(43 posts)
57. Buzz did nothing wrong !
Sat Jul 20, 2019, 04:11 PM
Jul 2019

Several decades ago the United States Supreme Court acknowledged the existence of something called "fighting words". Words that the provocateur knows will be extremely insulting - degrading - hostile, and serve no other purpose than to start a fight.

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