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Question - Can the Con unilaterally change the laws governing asylum? (Original Post) malaise Jul 2019 OP
Probably Bettie Jul 2019 #1
He is NOT getting his citizenship question in the census. hlthe2b Jul 2019 #4
Last I heard they are printing an Bettie Jul 2019 #5
You heard wrong. hlthe2b Jul 2019 #6
K&R n/t RKP5637 Jul 2019 #12
finally the words of wisdom AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #2
There will be court challenges. Lindsay Jul 2019 #3
You are not getting this. lapislzi Jul 2019 #7
SCOTUS just stopped him on the Census n/t malaise Jul 2019 #8
And he has not given up on that. lapislzi Jul 2019 #10
Yes and No grantcart Jul 2019 #9
Here are some stats which shows what an administration can do to reduce asylum numbers legally grantcart Jul 2019 #11
And climate change forced displacement will make things much, much worse in the future pecosbob Jul 2019 #16
He can't actually change the laws, MineralMan Jul 2019 #13
No, someone will appeal to the courts treestar Jul 2019 #14
Based on the last news break on XM Bettie Jul 2019 #15
drumpf is too stupid to think of this himself.....Smells of Miller Rene Jul 2019 #17

Bettie

(16,127 posts)
1. Probably
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:32 AM
Jul 2019

looks like he's going to get his citizenship thing in the census, regardless of what the SCOTUS says, he gets to say who is an isn't allowed to testify to congress...and a whole, giant, exhausting pile of other stuff, so yeah, he can do whatever he wants to.

No one has the will to stop him.

hlthe2b

(102,378 posts)
6. You heard wrong.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:43 AM
Jul 2019

There is an orchestrated attempt to mislead and manipulate us to keep us spinning in circles, but he remains legally enjoined from any such attempts. Just because he throws it out in a tweet doesn't mean he is doing it.

He will get data from other sources--something Dept. of Commerce career employees already offered as an option--as from Homeland security and tax databases, but no question on the census.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
2. finally the words of wisdom
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:34 AM
Jul 2019

he can freely disobey SC orders as sitting president “cannot be indicted”.

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
7. You are not getting this.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:47 AM
Jul 2019

It doesn't matter what the "laws" are. He doesn't care, and nobody is going to stop him. Not Congress, not the SCOTUS. He is completely lawless. He will do as he pleases.

lapislzi

(5,762 posts)
10. And he has not given up on that.
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:56 AM
Jul 2019

He and his pet AG are scrambling to find a way around it.

One small setback. Don't count on too many more. If your faith is in John Roberts, it's misplaced. He is no friend.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
9. Yes and No
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:51 AM
Jul 2019

There are a number of things that he will try to do and the courts will overturn many of them, like the Muslim ban.

He can then get a work around like adding North Korea to the Muslim ban so it wasn't based on religion.

Even if the courts over ruled all of his Executive Orders he can decimate the process by just reassigning staff so that there isn't anyone to take the applications.

If he wanted to stop all visas from a certain country all he has to do is move all of the counsellor officers in that country to other duties and have one person do it one afternoon a week.

The announced rule that would allow asylum seekers to petition closer to their homes is not a bad idea in itself but the real problem is what is going to be done with the applications once they are submitted. The fact is that he can sabotage it a million different ways from an administrative point of view.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
11. Here are some stats which shows what an administration can do to reduce asylum numbers legally
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 10:06 AM
Jul 2019

2009 35,811 asylum applications 8,384 approved

2018 162,000 applications made and only 13,000 approved

There are currently over 800,000 asylum applications in the system with about 100,000 trying to add to it every month.

The real answer is taking dramatic steps to help solve problems in the countries of origins.

Working on Sinema's campaign I met a field organizer who was taking a break from her Ph'd on Human Rights. I told her I had worked in the UN system on refugees and asked her what should be done with all of the refugees who are going to sleep in refugee camps tonight.

She answered "we should resettle them all as soon as possible".

Her face went into shock when I told her that tonight more than 25 million people were currently living in a refugee camp.

The fact is that the Obama administration had developed some low cost programs that were having a positive impact in critical areas and Trump eliminated all of these programs in order to "penalize" the countries who were already having basic governance problems.

The first and best answer is always to try and fix the problems that are causing people to flee. Without addressing that problem the people will keep coming and coming. Usually those solutions are not that expensive when compared with resettling a million people.



pecosbob

(7,544 posts)
16. And climate change forced displacement will make things much, much worse in the future
Mon Jul 15, 2019, 11:11 AM
Jul 2019

Makes me wonder how many billions of people live in coastal southeast and central Asia.

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