If Dolan had the opinon of African American, Jews, Hispanics, that he has of gays

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he wouldn't be anywhere near our stage. And as angry as that makes me, I have to admit, that it is both a symptom and a cause of the fact gay rights are no where near universally viewed as a part of the fabric of this country. Dolan thinks gays are moral scum unworthy of the rights that moral people get. He considers us inferior beings that are intrinsically evil and going to Hell. Yet he has an honored position at both political conventions. He has this because he is considered the Pope of America. He has that position because of the millions of Catholics many of whom disagree with his stance, but feel that is isn't important enough to leave the church over. Those people give him the power he has.

I don't know which will come first, the full acceptance of gay rights or people like Dolan being treated like David Duke. From my perspective it is hard to see much difference, but sadly from society's standpoint there is a huge difference. We will not have won the battle of gay rights until anti gay bigots are not welcome in our convention hall. Dolan should be uninvited but like it or not, his invite isn't all cause and no symptom. To the extent it is symptom, the bitter truth is, it is a sign we haven't come close to winning.

[Raster]

1. How true. There is a current thread (from which I am banned from posting) which questions...

...the decision of Dolan to offer the benediction.

Two of the shameful memes running through that thread is "gay rights are not civil rights" and "gays did not have it as bad as African-Americans did."

No, we gays weren't lynched by the KKK. We were put in nazi concentration camps and gassed and burned right along with the Jews.

Coretta Scott King on the subject of Gays and Gay rights:

• Lesbian and gay people are a permanent part of the American workforce, who currently have no protection from the arbitrary abuse of their rights on the job. For too long, our nation has tolerated the insidious form of discrimination against this group of Americans, who have worked as hard as any group, paid their taxes like everyone else, and yet have been denied equal protection under the law.

• I believe all Americans who believe in freedom, tolerance and human rights have a responsibility to oppose bigotry and prejudice based on sexual orientation.

• I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice. But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

• I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream to make room at the table of brother- and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people.

• We have to launch a national campaign against homophobia in the black community.

• Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood. This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group.

• Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Ga. and St. Augustine, Fla., and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement. Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions.

Thank you, Mrs. King.

And to the Democratic Party Leadership: Perhaps next time if you feel the need to include religious clergy in a political conference, perhaps you'll choose someone MORE RESPECTFUL OF ALL DEMOCRATS.

[xchrom]

5. You can never quantify what LGBTIQ suffered at the hands of the masses.

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Excepting WWII - we suffered alone - not as a group.

If we were killed or tortured or any thing else - it may never have been written down. Recorded.

People who say we didn't suffer as XY or Z - don't actually know - but we take it as 'gospel'. Why?

LGBTIQ people have Been killed, tortured, tormented - but it was done to us alone - we didn't tell our families, we couldn't tell LE, & papers would never print out story.

We have some notion of what happened to us - but we will never have the whole story.

[Bonobo]

11. How come I don't see 3rd way DLC gays on this board?

I mean this in the best possible way when I say that most of the people that are upfront about being gay by displaying avatars seem like the most liberal ones on the board. Never the jerky conserve-dems.

[xchrom]

12. tis a wonder...but i do think being a democrat ought to actually mean something.

[JaimeJackson]

13. Make them play by their own rules

Seems to me that, as Alinsky said, it's a good tactic to make people play by their own rules. Ther Cath Catechism says that gay people ... well here, I'll quote it:

They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.

So that's what Dolan, as well as all the rest of them, are supposed to believe. Anybody says anything about gays being "moral scum," go after them hammer and tongs.

Or ping me, I'll go after them.

[JaneyVee]

2. It really is ridiculous to have him at the DNC

He rails against contraception, abortion, gays, and pays off pedophile priests.

[still_one]

3. I am not so sure he doesn't have those opinions. For all we know

He may have the same view asel Gibson

Anyone who isn't his view of Catholic will burn in hell

[dsc]

4. kick

[hifiguy]

6. He's a swine. IMO the entire catholic hierarchy are swine.

A massive criminal conspiracy to cover up the mass molestation of children sounds like grounds for a RICO prosecution to me. Not even the Mob would sink that low.

[Raster]

7. If I may, here's a thread about Dolan I started this morning

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021226417

[xchrom]

8. DU would be outraged if Dolan expressed the same views

He has toward LGBTIQ folks at a racial minority.

Never mind we come in every color - so it's kind if a double 'hypocrite' whammy as far as I'm concerned.

[REP]

9. He doesn't think of me, either - an empty vessel

The entire RCC can go fuck itself as far as I'm concerned. Fuck them and their views on women, child rape, gay issues, AIDS, etc.

[stanchaz]

10. To the Nay-Sayers, the Tired Cynics, and the Holier-than-thou Purists among us

To the nay-sayers, the tired cynics and the holier-then-thou purists among us:
Go ahead - vote for the Republicans, and then you'll REALLY have something to complain about!
THANK GOD that Obama called the bluff of the Republicans (The Party of Wealth) who had "claimed" that the Democratic Convention was scheduling a two hour Muslim service (!) while deliberately(and no-doubt, for them, demonically) excluding the good ole Cardinal. In addition, Obama balanced Dolan with an opposing Catholic voice from Sister Simone Campbell at the Convention.
Good move.
Let’s face it: Cardinal Dolan is a Prince of the Church who wants to be King-maker. But I’d like to humbly remind the good Cardinal, as he parades under the spotlights of the political conventions: that there is room for only ONE real super-star in his religion. The one who started it!                                                           For as the Cardinal addresses and blesses the Republicans and their billionaire buddies,
as he smiles upon those who would destroy Social Security & voucher Medicare to death,
and as he struts on the stage with those who readily admit they
“don’t care about the very poor” ....it would be good for the dear Cardinal to remember -and take to heart- the words of his boss, who once said “Whatsoever you do for the least of these - you do for me”.
Unless perhaps, ...just perhaps, the Cardinal is working for someone else these days?
Just asking.
Our Founding Fathers wisely realized that politics, secular power, and religion do not mix.That they bring out the worst in each other, that ultimately they would destroy each other, and us.
A pastor.....should stick to his pulpit. Period.
But perhaps he’s (shudder) running for Pope?

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14. He could have gone after the Catholic vote in a myriad of ways

including just having the sister pray. Again, if David Duke were a king maker he still wouldn't be at our convention.