The Days of Blow and Groupies

[MineralMan]

Taking sexual advantage of underage victims is a heinous thing to do. It's also very common out there in the real world.

Back in the 60s and 70s, and even in the 50s, popular musicians often gave into the temptations of taking advantage of underage groupies. Even Elvis was not immune, and others, from British rock stars to American R&B stars were known to have engaged, if not assaulted such groupies.

Maybe it's the entertainment industry, in general. There are plenty of stories of prominent actors taking advantage of underage fans and would-be actors looking for an industry "in." Everyone from Fatty Arbuckle to Roman Polanski and others whose name could be listed were guilty of such behavior.

Rich people, powerful people, and famous people seem prone to such things, probably because they believe they will not be prosecuted for them. When they are caught, though, they often seem to skate away from their doings with little harm because of them.

Maybe you can think of some examples to share.

Odd, isn't it?

[Heartstrings]

1. Jimmy Page?

Rumored (?) he kept a 14 year old in a closet....

[MineralMan]

2. Yes. I remember that.

There are tons of stories out there. Did you see "Almost Famous?"

[Heartstrings]

4. Oh yes! Penny Lane?

Have the dvd....great soundtrack!

[tblue37]

3. Michael Jackson. Jerry Lee Lewis. nt

[MineralMan]

6. Ah, yes, sadly.

[tblue37]

9. I added Jerry Lee Lewis to my post. nt

[LanternWaste]

5. Again, that's called rape.

"Taking sexual advantage of underage victims"
Again, that's called rape.

"Odd, isn't it?"
It's certainly getting there.

[MineralMan]

8. I'm euphemizing for effect, see.

Of course it's rape.

[MaryMagdaline]

7. Ted Nugent wrote a song about it

Courtney Love says she had sex with him at age 12.
Jerry Lee Lewis - 14 y.o. girl friend (might have been a cousin, too)

[MineralMan]

10. So she did.

And it was Jerry Lee Lewis's cousin. They got married. But that didn't help him in England, where it was a huge scandal. Back home, here, though, few noticed. Priscilla Presley was about the same age when she started hanging with Elvis.

Note: Marrying your cousin is perfectly legal in about half of the 50 states. Age? Well, some states allow early marriages with parental approval. Not as many as it used to be, like in Jerry Lee Lewis's day, though.

[mr_lebowski]

17. California is one of them, somewhat interestingly. And there's 7 where it's illegal to sleep w/them

The states it's where illegal to marry your first cousin are mostly 'red states'. Lol ... that's probably because they 'have problems with it there' ...

Personally I'm of the opinion that (first) cousins are not closely related enough (12.5% genetic match) that it should be made outright illegal. I think it's icky as hell, but I don't support the government saying YOU CAN'T.

[MineralMan]

18. I've known a couple of people who married first cousins.

In both cases, they met that cousin at a family reunion far from where they lived. So it's not like they grew up nearby. The idea never really bothered me very much. As you say, there's not a big risk in it, so who cares, really.

[Dave in VA]

31. Kings and Queens

I believe that Queen Victoria and Prince Albert were first cousins. Very common in European Royalty.

[MineralMan]

34. Oh, yes. In Middle Eastern countries, too, cousin marriage is the norm

in some cultures.

[ripcord]

37. It's not surprising

The goal of marrying as close within a family has to do with keeping the bloodline as pure as possible without having to deal with the "irregularities" that pop up when people marry too close.

[MineralMan]

16. Remember the song, "Go Away Little Girl?"

Bobby Vee was the first to sing it, but it has been covered by many, many artists. It's about that very thing. Written by Gerry Goffin and Carole King, I'm sure it was about the problem of love-struck youngsters and performers dealing with them, one way or another.

[TreasonousBastard]

11. It's been going on as long as there has been history and I've wondered if...

there was a special attraction to adoring innocents by celebrities who had their own dark shadows.

[MineralMan]

12. Good question. I don't know.

Many celebrities have their own internal issues, for sure.

[SouthernProgressive]

13. We are more likely to hear about the wealthy when they get caught.

There also isn't a national rumor mill for non-wealthy individuals.

Sexually abusing young girls and boys knows no socioeconomic status when it comes to the rapists.

"Maybe it's the entertainment industry, in general."

I think it's men, in general.

"Rich people, powerful people, and famous people seem prone to such things, probably because they believe they will not be prosecuted for them."

Again, I don't think that is it. At all.

"Offenders are more likely to be relatives or acquaintances of their victim than strangers"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8885590

[bluedigger]

14. "In like Flynn"

Errol liked them young.

[mr_lebowski]

15. The idea that there's something RADICALLY wrong with it is pretty new in history ...

It's certainly been 'frowned on' for a long time, esp. by the parents of the girls but was looked at 'by society' as not 'worth the bother' of investing public resources to bring wealthy people to justice over.

Advances in DNA testing have also made prosecutions a lot more viable than they were 40 years ago.

I'd also say ... most of the examples of rock stars were when they were in their 20's or early 30's, not 40+, like say ... you know who. Young enough that it's believable that teen girls legitimately found them attractive, IOW. Not saying that makes their behavior okay, but I certainly find it less distasteful if I don't feel the young women were literally 'forced' or taken advantage of due to their life circumstances.

[bpj62]

19. Lynyrd Skynyrd

Whats Your Name is clearly a song about hooking up with young girls.

[MineralMan]

24. I wasn't familiar with that song. I'm not a real Lynyrd Skynryrd fan.

Sounds about right, though.

[MaryMagdaline]

20. Epstein cannot claim that young girls were seeking him out. He is not Elvis or the Beatles. He was a

Wall Street type who had to get others to procure children for him. It wasn't as if they were chasing after him and he gave into temptation. He's a special type of criminal.

[MineralMan]

22. Yes. It's different, for sure. Epstein sought out and groomed his victims.

Those celebrities and performers had just one thing they needed to do - say no. But they didn't. That's why I started a new thread.

[hunter]

21. Get'm young when they are "pure."

It's a disgusting aspect of many cultures.

[JimGinPA]

23. Steven Tyler From Aerosmith

He had a 15 year old girlfriend & they "hired" her parents to go on tour with them so she could travel with him.

[ismnotwasm]

25. I could give a entire feminist lecture on that topic.

[MineralMan]

32. Of that I have no doubt.

Once I graduated from high school and turned 18, I had nothing to do with any girls of high school age. Which is not to say that there were no consensual shenanigans when I was in high school, because there were.

Once a guy is an adult, he should leave those kids alone. Let them fumble around with other kids in their own age group. As an adult, the answer should always be no to anyone who is not an adult, even if it seems to be yes.

That doesn't seem all that difficult to me. If you have a young groupie, just say, "Sorry. Not with me."

[ismnotwasm]

35. Yeah, should and will are different things obviously

This whole thing is just so ugly. It happens to young boys as well.

[MineralMan]

36. Yes. There's a responsibility adults should have,

especially when it comes to fan crushes. Oddly enough, it happened to me - just one time. I used to play oboe in a woodwind quintet. We played here and there, and were always appearing at musical gatherings. I started noticing this young woman in her 20s who kept showing up whenever we were playing. She started flirting with me.

Our bassoon player teased me about having a groupie. Well, one time, after our performance, she came up and made a blatant pass at me. At the time I was about 36 and quite happily married. I mumbled something about being flattered but not available, and she never came to another performance. I guess I did have a groupie. I simply said no, thanks.

That's my one and only groupie story.

[ismnotwasm]

38. An Oboe groupie

Well now.

[MineralMan]

39. I know. I thought it odd, but just wrote it off to

my crushingly good looks and wit.

[Sugar Smack]

26. Hank Harrison, Grateful Dead manager and Courtney Love's father.

Hank Harrison's still running around loose on the streets, last I heard, and has written yet another book about Kurt Cobain.

[MineralMan]

27. I'm not familar with him, although I am with Courtney Love and

her story.

[Sugar Smack]

30. He and his friends thought it was really cute to give the children acid.

And none of the underage girls had a choice or a chance.

[oldtime dfl_er]

28. Roman Polanski

and possibly Jack Nicholson?

[LW1977]

29. Gary Puckett

[MineralMan]

33. Another story I don't know.

I'm sure there are plenty of them.

[MicaelS]

40. When you're a horny man..

In your 20s/30s and beautiful girls are throwing themselves at you, it would take a strong willed man to say no.

A lot of guys who wanted to be rock n roll stars said they did it "to get girls".

[TexasBushwhacker]

41. They don't call underaged girls "jail bait" for nothing n/t

[MicaelS]

42. Nope. n/t