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cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 01:40 PM Aug 2012

Romney: "I didn't inherit money from my parents."

Last edited Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:43 PM - Edit history (1)

This has been a stock Romney line for years. And a somewhat clever one.

His father, George, died in 1995. Mitt was already profoundly wealthy by 1995, so the question of whether Mitt inherited money is an intentional red herring, irrelevant to the question of whether he is a self-made man. (Chelsea Clinton hasn't inherited a penny from Bill or Hillary yet, but I wouldn't say she has struggled up from poverty.)

So Mitt's claim that his father left him nothing is deceptive in what it purports to say and, of course, also a literal lie. What a surprise.

When asked about why his father would write his own kids out of his will Mitt (probably realizing belatedly that his lie made it sound like he must have done something truly horrible to written out of George's will like that) corrected the record. He wasn't left any money, but he was left some funds. Okay... the executor didn't hand him a sack of unmarked twenty-dollar bills. Merely some funds.

His father did, in fact, leave Mitt a modest (by Mitt standards) chunk of American Motors stock which Mitt then donated to Brigham Young University's George Romney school. (Note the pattern. Mitt try to include his gifts to the Mormon church as part of the "taxes" he pays. Mitt denies an inheritance because he subsequently gave it to a Mormon institution. In both cases he ***chooses*** how to spend money, and then claims that he somehow never had the money because of what he chose to do with it! Mitt lies to express what he feels to be a larger truth, which is itself always another lie.)

"I figured we had enough of our own," he said. (Meaning they had enough that donating the bequest meant that they actually did keep a substantial part of the bequest in the form of tax savings. Think it through. Assuming Mitt pays taxes at all, and if the bequest was as small as half a million, then at 1995 rates that bequest would have had a cash value to Mitt of about $200,000.)

Since George Romney didn't die until 1995 it is really not very germane how much money he bequeathed Mitt, of course.

Saying, "I never received help from my very wealthy father growing up," would be more to the point, but I doubt Mitt would care to make that claim.

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Romney: "I didn't inherit money from my parents." (Original Post) cthulu2016 Aug 2012 OP
And his parents no doubt gifted money to him and his children while they were alive. pnwmom Aug 2012 #1
Exactly. I am sure trust funds were established. greatauntoftriplets Aug 2012 #4
Remember when he was trying to "relate" to people he (or Ann) said catbyte Aug 2012 #7
Well we KNOW that he was given enough stock karynnj Aug 2012 #31
Yup. closeupready Aug 2012 #37
In fact Mitt suggested borrowing from parents treestar Aug 2012 #2
Governor *and* CEO of American Motors. cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #6
his wife admitted they had stocks from papa when they were in college...yet another lie spanone Aug 2012 #3
Not a lie - George Romney was still alive - so that was not "inheriting" karynnj Aug 2012 #32
Plus of course a substantial trust fund to get him through his very difficult early years. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #5
His father gifted him American Motors stock, so he's lying, period. closeupready Aug 2012 #8
well that's stock, not currency eShirl Aug 2012 #27
Right, and since stock is really just pretty paper, it's worthless. closeupready Aug 2012 #28
Only canned food and ammunition really count as money. cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #35
the key is the meaning of "inherit" - he didn't say that he was karynnj Aug 2012 #33
Right - but as with "retroactive" (meaning, lie about the past), closeupready Aug 2012 #36
Who paid for him to go to that tony boarding school? XemaSab Aug 2012 #9
He paid for all of that with the money from his paper route. progressoid Aug 2012 #16
Mostly a corporate paper route, but with a little tax-free municipal paper also cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #18
So he didn't go to a private school, he attended public school rustydog Aug 2012 #10
When he was getting those Ivy League degrees... JaneQPublic Aug 2012 #11
Liar. How did he wind up with all that valuable stock he tragically had to cash in kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #12
The words "wealthy moocher" don't even begin to accurately describe Rmoney. Initech Aug 2012 #13
They went to school on 'his savings' what jobs did he have Ichingcarpenter Aug 2012 #14
Yes, "savings" is a funny word for it, isn't it? cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #24
Exactly... but that information is not Ichingcarpenter Aug 2012 #25
Dad wasn't stupid. George probably had Mitt on AMC's payroll from the time kestrel91316 Aug 2012 #30
Probably - as a paid 'baby model' or s.th. like that. closeupready Aug 2012 #38
Willard made his filthy lucre the old fashioned way: hifiguy Aug 2012 #15
Same false idea as education, infrastructure, stability of USA doesn't help millionaires get rich. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2012 #17
Wealthy people have many...ahem...creative ways to transfer assets to their descendants. factsarenotfair Aug 2012 #19
Hmm. I believe he didn't inherit paper money. It was probably in some other form. gollygee Aug 2012 #20
It was some American Motors stock cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #21
Tricky Mitt gollygee Aug 2012 #22
But Dad gave me a Pacer, and Ann got a Gremlin! Atman Aug 2012 #23
Mitt was born a poor black child Enrique Aug 2012 #26
This is either the stupidest lie ever or hollysmom Aug 2012 #29
Romney did not have a silver spoon jsr Aug 2012 #34
So where did he get that stock he and ann sold back in their struggling years? Ganja Ninja Aug 2012 #39

catbyte

(34,472 posts)
7. Remember when he was trying to "relate" to people he (or Ann) said
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 01:44 PM
Aug 2012

they had to cash in some stocks to pay for college? That is the biggest economic hardship these two have ever faced and I'd bet real money those stocks came form his dad's tenure at AMC.

That a tool.

Diane
Anishinaabe in MI & mom to Taz, Nigel, and baby brother Sammy, members of Dogs Against Romney, Cat Division
"Dogs Aren’t Luggage--HISS!”

karynnj

(59,506 posts)
31. Well we KNOW that he was given enough stock
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 11:36 AM
Aug 2012

to pay for his and Ann's schooling and living expenses for 5 years after they were married.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
2. In fact Mitt suggested borrowing from parents
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 01:42 PM
Aug 2012

But Mitt's father was a governor. That alone means no struggles for Mitt. And why doesn't he document this claim? We need to see the records that prove it. If Obama has to document everything, so does Mitt.

karynnj

(59,506 posts)
32. Not a lie - George Romney was still alive - so that was not "inheriting"
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 11:50 AM
Aug 2012

I actually think that being part of the elite - even if the family is not extremely wealthy - is more significant than the amount of money inherited.

The prep school advantages especially the contacts and looking, talking, and being the "right kind of people" is an enormous advantage. Think about the fact that the political and business leaders to them are similar to their own parents and the parents of their friends. The shared background- of places and life experiences - with those with the power to choose who to mentor makes them far more likely to be fast tracked than someone without this background. To use Ann Richard's metaphor, they start on third base.

Not to mention, there are trusts or gifts from the parents that mean that they never would have to worry about money.

Inheriting money happens when the parents die - and barring tragedies - Romney and most other people born as well as he are well into middle age or beyond and are already wealthy.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
8. His father gifted him American Motors stock, so he's lying, period.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 01:45 PM
Aug 2012

No way around that. And it was something like half-a-million dollars.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
28. Right, and since stock is really just pretty paper, it's worthless.
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 10:23 AM
Aug 2012

At least, until he can trick someone into buying it off his hands.

karynnj

(59,506 posts)
33. the key is the meaning of "inherit" - he didn't say that he was
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 11:52 AM
Aug 2012

not a beneficiary of trusts or that he was not given considerable gifts.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
36. Right - but as with "retroactive" (meaning, lie about the past),
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 01:32 PM
Aug 2012

his vocabulary seems to be a sort of ad hoc kind of abstraction, understood only by those who know him most intimately.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
9. Who paid for him to go to that tony boarding school?
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 01:45 PM
Aug 2012

Who paid for him to go on his mission to France?

Who paid for the stock that he had to sell off to go to BYU?

Actual money notwithstanding, you can't tell me that the name "George Romney" didn't open a lot of doors for Mitt!

Talk about being born on third and thinking he hit a triple!

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
10. So he didn't go to a private school, he attended public school
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 01:55 PM
Aug 2012

and he attacked a kid with scissors and walked a blind teacher into a door as a poor white kid who had to grow up in one mansion owned by his father instead of the 6 or 8 he owns today...
He did not get anything through privilege, he pulled himself up by his Gucci bootstraps and gutted companies like a man!

JaneQPublic

(7,113 posts)
11. When he was getting those Ivy League degrees...
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 02:11 PM
Aug 2012

...were his parents paying his way? Did he get loans and scholarships? Did he work his way through college?

My guess is Daddy paid his way with his own pocket money.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
12. Liar. How did he wind up with all that valuable stock he tragically had to cash in
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 02:42 PM
Aug 2012

when he was a COLLEGE STUDENT??????

His pants are a raging conflagration.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
14. They went to school on 'his savings' what jobs did he have
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 02:50 PM
Aug 2012

to save enough to pay for it all.. I never heard where
'the savings' came from, have you?

cthulu2016

(10,960 posts)
24. Yes, "savings" is a funny word for it, isn't it?
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 12:59 AM
Aug 2012

It strongly implies earning money and setting some aside, not whatever part of a pile of gifted money you haven't gotten around the spending yet.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
25. Exactly... but that information is not
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 09:59 AM
Aug 2012

to be found. Did he have summer jobs like I did in construction?...or other real jobs that allowed him to save?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
15. Willard made his filthy lucre the old fashioned way:
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 03:05 PM
Aug 2012

Extorting it from the peasants at the point of a sword.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,047 posts)
17. Same false idea as education, infrastructure, stability of USA doesn't help millionaires get rich.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 03:13 PM
Aug 2012

Millionaires wouldn't make it in the US if the work force wasn't educated in public schools and universities, if the highway system and air transport and communications weren't so good, if the military paid for by taxpayers and served by citizens didn't protect US interests around the world.

We the people built it. Millionaires made the big bucks and then arrogantly take all the credit.

factsarenotfair

(910 posts)
19. Wealthy people have many...ahem...creative ways to transfer assets to their descendants.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 06:29 PM
Aug 2012

Leaving actual money in an actual will would be so lower class!!!

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
22. Tricky Mitt
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 09:52 PM
Aug 2012

He figured people would assume he hadn't received an inheritance and wouldn't ask any more questions or research any more. Uh huh.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
29. This is either the stupidest lie ever or
Thu Aug 30, 2012, 11:20 AM
Aug 2012

he must still be selling this "he built this" storyline. what an ass.

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