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https://www.thedailybeast.com/homeland-security-conditions-at-el-paso-border-station-are-so-bad-agents-are-drinking-and-arming-themselves?ref=homeConditions at El Paso Border Station So Bad Agents Are Drinking and Arming Themselves
Tom Sykes
Published 07.01.19 6:48AM ET
Read it at NBC News
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)how Trump courted these guys. Went down to border patrol and asked what they wanted. How the agents didn't like Obamas policy because all they could do then, was to set people loose and they wanted to be tough guys.
Well, you got what you wanted. Now go change a diaper and throw a kid in a jail cell.
I'm sure these tough guy border control agents are trying to find another job.
I wish I could remember the article, from years back about how Trump played these guys, but I can't find it right now.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)still no cure.
tblue37
(65,487 posts)tanyev
(42,610 posts)democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Everything?
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)The Blue Flower
(5,444 posts)The sounds, the smells, the sights must be beyond anything these people have ever imagined. On a purely sensory level, the torture goes both ways at this point.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)Except that one side of the torturer/torturee dyad can walk away.
The Blue Flower
(5,444 posts)I wonder what kind of nightmares they have. And how long until they start breaking down. If this is service to your country, you're living in hell. This is so sickening, and those children who survive it will never be okay. These conditions, if not changed, are a slow and painful death sentence.
gordianot
(15,243 posts)Why should these thugs be a lot different?
RVN VET71
(2,697 posts)And they lie so comfortably, dammit: about children being subjected to conditions worse than most concentration camps (look it up!) We're talking Black Hole of Calcutta here, not even the pretense that was arbeit mach frei; and these monsters, like Nielsen and, now, McAleenan, smile on and tell the world that evil is good, pain is fun, starvation and sickness are health and wellness.
Please, Dems, do not let America or the World forget this come 2020. Do not allow the MSM or the Fox propaganda machinery to bury the ugliness of of what Trump and his minions are doing on the border. This unelected administration, among its many high crimes against basic morality and decency, is torturing children as a matter of policy, is treating human beings like pigs in an overcrowded sty, and sneering at the decent humans in America and the World who oppose what they were doing.
uponit7771
(90,364 posts)mopinko
(70,208 posts)open the gates, motherfuckers, and it wont be unsubstantiated any more.
how quickly we are falling.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)Otherwise, the authorities themselves become the criminal........ ......
AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)we need hidden footage to broadcast worldwide. I wish some courageous DHS employer would do that. How can toddlers survive this hell, its beyond me. These are concentration camps that are becoming death camps in front of our eyes.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)The cost became a point of worry for the general staff.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)At first they lined Jews up on the edge of giant pits and shot them. But that was tough on their soldiers, so they devised more efficient means of elimination. Gassing and cremation. Most of the work was done by Jews on a rotational basis. Only the best Germans were there to make sure it worked. The Good Germans who were sociopaths who enjoyed inflicting pain and death.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Protests should rival anything inside and they should be not only at the detention centers but in DC and the home offices of every GOP congressman. I'm protesting here but where is everyone else? Do we actually think tweets, blogs, FB, online polls or online petitions will do anything? Most of us are cowards. Kudos to those standing in the street and kudos to those who are unable to do so but do what they can bugging their congress persons.
certainot
(9,090 posts)can use for PR purposes
that's why talk radio is playing up african immigrants in the 'caravans', including that some are from the congo where there's ebola
and who is causing attacks on ebola clinics in congo?
republicans played up heavily the ebola scare in 2014 for their election purposes - it helped them then and they're going to use it again in 2020 elections
and if they're listening to talk radio , as some suredly do, they're going to be very scared and trigger happy
AllyCat
(16,222 posts)So they are admitting they have no place for kids to sleep and BABIES are being held in death camps. Nice going Trumpers.
c-rational
(2,595 posts)documentation of these conditions.
McKim
(2,412 posts)When i had a week long border experience a few years ago I learned that being a Border Patrol Agent was a job favored by iraq and Afghanistan War veterans. They are trained and traumatized over there and then they come to the border. It is no surprise about the heavy drinking, self medicating to overcome the trauma of war and what they are doing to kids and families.
Leghorn21
(13,526 posts)In many testimonies on mass murders of Jews by SS and German police units in the East, witnesses and perpetrators mention that alcohol was present or that the killers were intoxicated. In fact, it is clear from available evidence that alcoholnormally in the form of vodka or schnappswas often available at murder sites...
...One of the most notorious examples of mass murder in the American West, for example, occurred at Sand Creek on November 29, 1864, when a group of Colorado Volunteers, many of them fueled by whiskey, initiated an unprovoked attack on a settlement of Cheyenne Indians. The men butchered 105 women and children and 28 men.
https://academic.oup.com/hgs/article/30/1/1/1749473
The Einsatzgruppen had to be kept more or less perpetually stoned. And even so had a suicide rate that absolutely shocked high command.
Leghorn21
(13,526 posts)righteous superiority and knowing that theyre doing the right thing, then why the fuck do they have to get WASTED to carry out these orders???
Seems like theyd want to be sharp and alert so they could remember every detail of how godly and glorious their actions were
Dont answer, eh...but...well, just wondering out loud
Have mercy
They_Live
(3,240 posts)We need to keep asking that.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,437 posts)What of the reports that their periods are/were being tracked by officials?
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,437 posts)Great combination.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,457 posts)this treatment of human beings by condoning it through their silence. That to me is the most troubling aspect of this nightmare, what might they truly be capable of??? Remember, there are hundreds of millions of weapons and billions of rounds of ammunition in the hands of these individuals.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Aren't border agents ALWAYS armed? against many things, including riots? And please show me a group of 100 people, where at some of them AREN'T drunks?
Hell show me the executive suite of any fortune 500, and you'll find at least one drunk and one gun owner.
Look conditions ARE bad and it's a shitty job, but that is not adding "hotwords" to make a story more appalling. There's plenty of real news to document the Trump administration. This is just enquirer level reporting.