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babylonsister

(171,092 posts)
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 01:23 PM Jun 2019

Trump believes 'Western liberalism' literally means liberals on the west coast



https://thinkprogress.org/trump-believes-western-liberalism-literally-means-liberals-on-the-west-coast-b9f8e2ac6fe0/?fbclid=IwAR2Y40GB1fgAl1JnCgVlES7MeNK42ekUnhqo6AJtt2DsT-eZmIaCtITRXi4

Trump believes ‘Western liberalism’ literally means liberals on the west coast
"You don’t want it to spread," he told the world.
Rebekah Entralgo
Jun 29, 2019, 12:50 pm



President Donald Trump embarrassed the country yet again on the international stage this past week during the G20 summit. Speaking to reporters in Osaka, Japan where the summit was held, Trump displayed a complete lack of understanding when it comes to basic history and political terminology.

When asked by The New York Times about Russian president Vladimir Putin’s comments about Western liberalism being “obsolete,” Trump took that to mean literally liberals living on the west coast of the United States.

“He’s sees what’s going on, I guess, if you look at what’s happening in Los Angeles, where it’s so sad to look, and what’s happening in San Francisco and a couple of other cities, which are run by an extraordinary group of liberal people,” Trump told the Times.

“I don’t know what they’re thinking,” he added. “But when you look at Los Angeles, when you look at San Francisco, when you look at some of the other cities — and not a lot, not a lot — but you don’t want it to spread.”


What Putin was referring to, of course, is liberalism in the Western world, which consists most of Europe and the United States. In this usage, “liberalism” refers not to progressive or leftist policies, but to individual rights, equality before the law, and democracy and consent to be governed, in contrast to a dictatorship or populism or minority rule. In recent European Union elections, however, nationalist, populist parties have been gaining influence in countries like Italy and Poland. That is what Putin meant by those comments, not what liberal politicians in California or Washington state are doing.

This was hardlyTrump’s only flub during the Saturday’s news conference. He was asked by ABC News about an exchange between former Vice President Joe Biden and Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) in Thursday’s Democratic presidential debate over busing. “Busing” refers to the practice of transporting children outside of their geographic school districts in order to help integrate schools. After the Supreme Court struck down school segregation in 1954, some black children were sent to white schools and vice-versa, in order to integrate school systems.

Trump’s made clear he thought the term “busing” meant using a bus to commute to school.

“You know, there aren’t that many ways you’re going to get people to schools. So this is something that’s been done. In some cases, it’s been done with a hammer instead of a velvet glove. And, you know, that’s part of it [….] But it is certainly a primary method of getting people to schools.”
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Trump believes 'Western liberalism' literally means liberals on the west coast (Original Post) babylonsister Jun 2019 OP
god gawd trump IS the Onion samnsara Jun 2019 #1
The Onion actually pisses me off sometimes happyaccident Jun 2019 #10
Stupid beyond belief. dalton99a Jun 2019 #2
he just makes words up! samnsara Jun 2019 #3
He's as dumb as a box of rocks. Goodheart Jun 2019 #4
He has zero curiosity about anything except making a buck Buckeyeblue Jun 2019 #5
This deserves a tblue37 Jun 2019 #6
President Dunning-Kruger tanyev Jun 2019 #7
Another sad aspect of that? Goodheart Jun 2019 #8
The gift that never stops giving in terms of comedy gold. Grasswire2 Jun 2019 #9
I bet folks living in authoritarian countries dream about LA and SF AlexSFCA Jun 2019 #11
Refer to his 'dumb Southerner' comment about Sessions. keithbvadu2 Jun 2019 #12
Trump accumulates ignorance lunatica Jun 2019 #13
"Hey world, in case you didn't know it - I'm a total idiot!" TeamPooka Jun 2019 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author moondust Jun 2019 #15
It's unclear what usage Putin had in mind. Igel Jun 2019 #16
 

happyaccident

(136 posts)
10. The Onion actually pisses me off sometimes
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 02:07 PM
Jun 2019

When they try to parody trump, I believe it. Have enough of the real thing, it isn't funny to fake it anymore.

Goodheart

(5,345 posts)
8. Another sad aspect of that?
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 01:58 PM
Jun 2019

Devin Nunes, Louie Gohmert, Kevin McCarthy, Marsha Blackburn, Virginia Foxx will have no idea that he's actually off-topic.

"Good points, Mr. President!"


Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
9. The gift that never stops giving in terms of comedy gold.
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 02:00 PM
Jun 2019

Too bad he has the nuclear codes. He's hilarious.

keithbvadu2

(36,916 posts)
12. Refer to his 'dumb Southerner' comment about Sessions.
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 04:16 PM
Jun 2019

Refer to his 'dumb Southerner' comment about Sessions.

Trump has those 'dumb Southerners' safely in tow.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
13. Trump accumulates ignorance
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 04:40 PM
Jun 2019

Instead of learning from his mistakes he just doubles down on them. His brain dumps knowledge. His memory is in forget mode. His brain consists of empty rental space and growing vacancies, and is covered in fuzzy spider webs of prolonged neglect and disuse.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Igel

(35,359 posts)
16. It's unclear what usage Putin had in mind.
Sat Jun 29, 2019, 06:07 PM
Jun 2019

To be quite honest, it can't be ruled out that he sees one as the organic outgrowth of the other, so one is metonymic for the other. His examples are more in keeping with "modern liberalism"--even though that may make Putin's attack a bit more personal--but his lingo seems to suggest "classical liberalism."

Or it's a throwaway line in many respects. Putin can praise a thing one day and condemn it the next, depending on the response that he wants. Truth is malleable when talking to foes, and often his speech is less about communication propositions and more about rhetoric and reaction, an intent to divide in order to weaken.

It's a common failing among those who seek power or victory more than truth.

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