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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPrediction: Trump will not debate anyone.
His mind is too far gone. He cant do it.
wcmagumba
(2,886 posts)come up with some lame excuse like I don't need to debate.
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)no matter how smart or good or well-prepared we are --- he will lie, he will abuse, he will slander, he will slur, he will stalk, he will interrupt, he will gish-gallop - there is simply NO GODDAMNED POINT to giving him a national platform for that shit.
no debate. no point. let him slop the MAGA hogs on his own time.
BadgerMom
(2,771 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,254 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)But he may have deluded himself into believing that he won.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)At least not in a singular sense. Each debate has a winner/loser in the mind of the viewer for sure.
SO Trump voters think Trump won and Hillary voted know that Hillary won etc.
It's extremely rare that anyone ever, ever says that the candidate from the opposite party "won". Certainly not in real time. This does happen occasionally when looking at historical debates where there are no longer any stakes. Even then it's not common.
Debates are really about giving each candidate time to express their views an opportunity to compare/contrast/defend/attack the opponents views.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Fiendish Thingy
(15,644 posts)If he refuses to debate the Dems nominee, he will seal his doom, and be seen for the coward he is.
jmowreader
(50,561 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)trev
(1,480 posts)who might see him as a coward. But, IMO, if they don't see that already, they aren't likely to change their minds.
MontanaMama
(23,333 posts)You might be right.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)he's going to have to.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Sugarcoated
(7,726 posts)Its the 20% that matters. Independents, moderates, blue collar Dems in the rust belt states and Republican college-educated Suburban women. Nazis are going to Nazi, people with morals values and decency matter.
LiberalBrooke
(527 posts)They ate up his bullying last election and it will only be worse in 2020.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I.e., a moot point.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)and, after the 3rd debate, Trump was fading... until the Comey letter to Congress was leaked by Jason Chaffetz
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)Nixon didn't debate McGovern, and Trump is just as thin-skinned.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)He was the first incumbent President to debate a challenger. Since then, it's been standard.
AdamGG
(1,293 posts)That was the 1st Presidential debate I watched when I was 12. Ford had a bizarre gaffe when he claimed that there was no Soviet influence in Poland.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)I did forget that. But, the 1976 election was different, Ford had not been previously elected as either President or Vice-President on a ballot in front of all of the American voters, so he wasn't a typical incumbent. It's probably why he felt the need to engage Carter in a debate.
treestar
(82,383 posts)By the Idiot in Chief. Hed get away with it.
AdamGG
(1,293 posts)maryellen99
(3,789 posts)JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)former9thward
(32,046 posts)https://www.cbsnews.com/news/1960-first-televised-presidential-debate/
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)But it's the VIDEO clips of the debate that became iconic and set public view of Nixon as a weak debater in later years when he ran again.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)None of our top tier candidates carry the 30 year history of smears Hillary had.
And they will ignore his 3rd grade insults and talk policy.
Plus, his mind has degraded in the last 3 years.
Hes debating no one.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)He's even more full of himself than he was in 2016.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)The narrative on DU is that everyone who voted for him is a racist and down with everything he does. But that is not true. I have good friends that did. Their almost adult kids(who lean liberal) are my god kids and that was done way before trump. I will not be the one to kill the relationship because of the kids. And they are generally very good folks. We vacation with them and watch no tv and generally talk no politics.
Fox News has a hold on one of them but both are starting to have real questions.
The male, my friend actually said he could vote for Biden. He wants normalcy. If trump handles a debate like he did his recent Fox appearance, which he would, ranting about Mueller and witch hunts, he would lose a good bit of the non-evangelical voters.
Which is why I think his handlers would convince him it was his idea not to debate. They know he is batshit crazy.
My opinion anyway.
Those crazies will never change(evangelicals). I know. Used to be one of them.
watoos
(7,142 posts)for buying a car and talked quite a bit about being positive with the financial person. The nice lady who was doing the paperwork turned a bit religious, about trusting God's plan. She then asked me about Trump. I told her that when I saw a video of Trump looking at a 10 year old girl with sexual thoughts and saying that he would be dating her in 10 years, that was enough for me. She paused a moment and then said that he has the country going in the right direction. She proved to me your point, the Evangelicals will never desert Trump because they believe that Trump is God's chosen one. Trump could shoot her husband right in front of her and she will vote for him in 2020.
myohmy2
(3,165 posts)...trump will only debate if he's convinced he'll come out on top...that's why we need a strong candidate capable of giving trump a heavy dose of his own medicine; capable of not letting trump off the hook...
...and trump would probably get away without debating just like he got away without releasing his tax returns...trump doesn't/wouldn't have time to debate; too busy being president...
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Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)Wash. state Desk Jet
(3,426 posts)He cannot memorize and he cannot recite. If you ever heard Trump do the take me out to the ball game song at a Yankees game ,you know he cannot carry a tune. Doing lines off a script is worse than that for Trump- in fact he is a disaster! That is why they had to let Trump be Trump, whatever he comes off with. The Apprentice, and any tv appearance he ever made. Saturday night live too. So, they will never be able to prep him and all he can do be Trump. So he makes faces ! If he wants to portray he thinks it's bull shit, he has a face for that. He's pantomime Trump. Imagine how many endless hours Trump spent in front of mirror making those faces. And indeed, how disgusting it is. Thing of it is, that's all he's got. Any time the cameras are on Trump- it's all about the Trump show, his fan base. It's all about the Donald to Trump always, nothing more.
Gothmog
(145,433 posts)emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)policy. Trump could not paint Biden as elitist or leftist. He could not compete with his knowledge-base on everything to do with government.
Biden would also use personal dynamics humor, warmth, the Biden smile and laugh to defeat him. Biden would not be intimidated in the least. Trump is deathly afraid of Joe Biden.
Midnight Writer
(21,771 posts)Fox and Friends would call it three dimensional chess.
czarjak
(11,287 posts)dawg day
(7,947 posts)It's almost impressive the lengths they go through to defend him.
And he cares nothing about any of them. Amazing.
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)I save this as a boilerplate and use it liberally on Facebook.
I was going to write a whole cited response to let you know how wrong you are on every level, but then realized it would be futile. So just for fun, I'll knowingly resort to an ad hominem attack, which is much more satisfying - You're an egregious and irredeemable fuckwit - And ultimately, believing ridiculous things for ridiculous reasons will always rot your judgment and lead to swallowing tripe like chemtrails, religion, the Republican Party platform and Tr**Putins lies.
I suspect that Tr**Putin could come to your house, crap on the rug, shoot your dog, do your wife or sheep(though they could be one and the same), and then you'd thank him and ask if he'd like a BJ, a cup of covfefe, and a hamberder.
AdamGG
(1,293 posts)Because LBJ and Nixon saw themselves as significantly ahead and saw no reason to risk it in a debate. Trump won't be ahead in the polls and I think it would play badly if he refuses to debate. When McCain tried to postpone the debates because of the financial crisis, public opinion forced him to quickly change his mind. I don't see how Trump will be able to ridicule "Pocahantas" or "Sleepy Joe" or whoever and then chicken out on debating them.
I think he'll debate and do the same moronic schtick and it will wear much worse than the first time, but I didn't think he could get elected in 2016.
JohnnyRingo
(18,638 posts)He only holds up anymore at rallies where he does an uncontested monologue.
If he does, it'll be under strict rules. Like the democrat isn't allowed to talk directly to him.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)He would need Secret Service-style earbud comms to a roundtable of his top-level experts on everything like Bannon, Mnutskin, Miller and Hannity to keep him in line.
Oh wait. Those aren't experts, they're fascist assholes........
dawg day
(7,947 posts)Is he conscious enough to decide not to debate?
And let's face it-- Hillary trounced him in debates-- it was never close. Even then-- 3 years earlier than now-- he was stupid and ranty and incoherent. His voters still thought he won.
I'm counting on the notoriously short American attention span: "I am so tired of him. Jeez, can he just GO AWAY?"
I suspect that if he debates, even his cultists will find something else to do than watch it... we will all be so annoyed or bored with him, even the ones who would slit their throats at his command.
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)The man is not well. He seems to have some narcolepsy.
maryellen99
(3,789 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)Trump had to stand and listen.
moonscape
(4,673 posts)a few presidential debates, and tell him they'll have the podium - occupied or no - for the debate.
Then he'd show up!
Bigredhunk
(1,351 posts)Regardless of what happens in the debate, presidential debates get a sh*t load of viewers/high ratings. He's waayyyy too in love with himself/coverage of himself (of any kind) to not show up.
Plus, all the cringe-worthy stuff he did (having a press conference with all of the women against Bill Clinton, saying he'd put HRC in jall, stalking HRC around the stage, bragging about himself) probably gets really high marks from the base. I'm sure he hears that feedback and loves it.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)RDANGELO
(3,433 posts)Then he will proclaim that the media is too unfair to him.
Kablooie
(18,637 posts)He has his base and doesn't care about anyone else.
A debate would have a potential downside and no upside for him.
OrlandoDem2
(2,065 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,128 posts)And he can't be seen being called a chicken.
brooklynite
(94,660 posts)However, he'll debate because he believes he's a brilliant communicator.
no_hypocrisy
(46,150 posts)He'll treat it as another rally where he berates, obfuscates, bloviates and stays off topic -- and then smiles with satisfaction.
dalton99a
(81,545 posts)trev
(1,480 posts)wryter2000
(46,074 posts)Just an hour with the Democratic nominee.
Wounded Bear
(58,676 posts)Trump always thinks he's the smartest person in the room. He thrives on bullying opponents into submission. He thinks his debate performances are his strong suit. Last election cycle, far too many people agreed with him.
He'll debate. He'll lose. His base will stick by him.
underpants
(182,849 posts)His debates in 2016 were actually very bad for him. It was almost the only time people got to really see Hillary and hear from her not about her.
It has to be used correctly but Trump has offered a hammer to anyone he debates. At some point when talking about someone he doesnt like OR if Putin comes up all the Dem has to say or allude to is Arent they your type?
gopiscrap
(23,762 posts)unless he gets us in a war during the election season and says he's too much of a statesman to spend valuable time debating a challanger
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Bayard
(22,119 posts)Think about this: How will various Dem candidates respond to tRump coming up behind them like this?
I think its a toss up between who will turn around and punch him, and who will try to ignore him.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)He loves being the spotlight.
I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted MORE debates. Hell he's been campaigning since the inauguration!
Remember - people that losing their minds - don't have the mental capacity to know they are losing their mind.
IcyPeas
(21,894 posts)The MSM would probably love it. People will tune in to watch the clown.
Does He ever say NO to appearing on TV?
We know it doesn't matter what he says or does.
misanthrope
(7,419 posts)What a bwave widdle boy. Give little Donnie mo-wuh ice cream for his boo-boo.
Raine
(30,540 posts)he won't miss the chance to be on the camera and center of attention, Trump loves that kind of thing.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Not after tonight.