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CatWoman

(79,302 posts)
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 02:32 PM Jun 2019

May I, Please? It's not "cocked and loaded"

it's "locked and loaded"

lock-and-load
Interjection

(US, slang) A command to prepare a weapon for battle.
(US, slang) Prepare for an imminent event.

Origin

Originated in American English, supposedly as an instructional command to prepare an M1 Garand, the main rifle used during World War II, for battle. the expression was popularized 1949 by John Wayne in the movie Sands of Iwo Jima. Various similar phrases predate it, including in transposed form as “load and lock”. It is disputed whether the command "lock and load" was ever used by the US military in WWII. The term, "lock and load" was used in the US Army as late as 1969 and was also used in Vietnam.

The most common theory connects this order to the operation of the M1 Garand rifle. Before loading the ammunition clip into the rifle, the operating rod handle is pulled to the rear until the bolt is securely locked open. According to the M1 Garand Manual, loading the clip without first locking the bolt could result in an accidental discharge of a round. In the 1943 training film (Rifle Marksmanship with M1 Rifle) the instructor orders first "Lock" then "Load".
A transposition of "load and lock" - to load the ammunition clip into the rifle, then to lock the bolt forward (which forces a round into the chamber, readying a rifle for firing).
Condensing the M-16 firing preparation commands of "LOCK a magazine in the magazine well, then LOAD a round into the firing chamber by pulling the charging handle to the rear of the weapon."
The use of flintlock rifles, which required the hammer to be locked back at the half-cock position before placing primer in the pan.
Alternatively, a Sporting Magazine from 1821 had the complete flintlock expression as "brush the dirt away from the lock, and load ...".
From artillery usage: to 'lock' a gun into firing position before loading.

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May I, Please? It's not "cocked and loaded" (Original Post) CatWoman Jun 2019 OP
Well, you still have to cock it. zackymilly Jun 2019 #1
you cock it after you load it CatWoman Jun 2019 #2
Then "load and cock" instead of "cock and load" zackymilly Jun 2019 #5
More like "cock and bull" coming from Cadet Bone Spurs. n/t customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #19
poppycock! boston bean Jun 2019 #22
Nah - he went off half-cocked. dchill Jun 2019 #4
This is a well thought out and researched post. rogue emissary Jun 2019 #3
I didn't realize donny said this, so it should have been "cockeyed and loaded" zackymilly Jun 2019 #7
I'm tired of trying to figure out what the hell he means. rogue emissary Jun 2019 #13
he's conflating it with "half-cocked" Maine-i-acs Jun 2019 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Jun 2019 #8
It's also "Sites", not "Sights" maxsolomon Jun 2019 #9
Once Again, Our Ignorant President Broadcasts His Lack of Knowledge to the World dlk Jun 2019 #10
Cocked up, actually. johnp3907 Jun 2019 #11
There's also "cocked and locked" sir pball Jun 2019 #12
He AlWays Speaks About Me. Jun 2019 #14
Guess Trump's just obsessed with a part of his anatomy Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2019 #15
Not as much as subject matter expert Little Marco Rubio. keithbvadu2 Jun 2019 #23
Ummm.......blocked? Midnightwalk Jun 2019 #16
Trumpster's locker room talk. LuckyLib Jun 2019 #17
Usually you get loaded THEN cocked 😉 underpants Jun 2019 #18
hey you!!! CatWoman Jun 2019 #25
😁 underpants Jun 2019 #28
Isn't Cocked and Loaded.... Champion Jack Jun 2019 #20
Still in use in army basic training in '72 flotsam Jun 2019 #21
thanks CatWoman Jun 2019 #24
He mis-spoke. He meant to say, "Cocked and blocked" Triloon Jun 2019 #26
Cocked & Loaded OneBlueDotBama Jun 2019 #27
THREAD WINNER underpants Jun 2019 #29
I stole it OneBlueDotBama Jun 2019 #30
Cocked & Loaded is the title of LA Guns' 1989 album pintobean Jun 2019 #31

Maine-i-acs

(1,499 posts)
6. he's conflating it with "half-cocked"
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 02:38 PM
Jun 2019

half-cocked
/ˌhafˈkäkt/
adjective
1.
(of a gun) with the cock partly raised.
2.
only partly ready; poorly prepared.
"half-cocked solutions often change things for the worse"

Based on the old flintlock muskets which had three positions:
"discharged" post firing meaning the frizzen was down
"cocked" meaning the flint (aka cock cause it looked like a rooster's head) was all the way back and ready to fire
or "half-cocked" meaning the frizzen was closed but the flint was only partially pulled back.

Being Half-cocked kept the powder dry but was not a good ready position. Going off half-cocked meant you pulled the trigger when you didn't mean to.

Response to CatWoman (Original post)

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
9. It's also "Sites", not "Sights"
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 02:41 PM
Jun 2019

He's a lazy Ignoramus.

Next he'll be saying "Jive" when he means "Jibe"!

dlk

(11,569 posts)
10. Once Again, Our Ignorant President Broadcasts His Lack of Knowledge to the World
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 02:42 PM
Jun 2019

He never ceases to humiliate and embarrass our country.

sir pball

(4,743 posts)
12. There's also "cocked and locked"
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 02:44 PM
Jun 2019

Meaning a semiautomatic handgun with a round in the chamber and the hammer cocked in the firing position, with the safety switch locked on. Also a state of maximum readiness just short of finger-on-the-trigger.

Sounds like pudding-brain heard both "locked and loaded" and "cocked and locked" before and spewed a random jumble. What else is new.

keithbvadu2

(36,829 posts)
23. Not as much as subject matter expert Little Marco Rubio.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 03:55 PM
Jun 2019

Not as much as subject matter expert Little Marco Rubio.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
16. Ummm.......blocked?
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 02:48 PM
Jun 2019

I think he was all ready to attack and someone like Putin but maybe a general pulled his chain.

Must be frustrating.

flotsam

(3,268 posts)
21. Still in use in army basic training in '72
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 03:26 PM
Jun 2019

The command "lock" means to insert a magazine and assure it is held in place by the release detent...The "load" command is to pull back the charging rod to actually load a round into the chamber. This is on the M-16, "load" on an M-1 is different but achieves the same result.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
31. Cocked & Loaded is the title of LA Guns' 1989 album
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 06:06 PM
Jun 2019

And, Tommy Bolin used the phrase in '76 in his song "Post Toastee".



TOMMY BOLIN
"Post Toastee"

Well my mind has been overflowin'
'bout some things that don't seem right.
And my gun is cocked and loaded,
I hope I get me some sleep tonight.

Well I don't know what went wrong,
It seems like nuthin' is right.
Well I don't know what went wrong,
I hope I get me some sleep tonight.

So take it nice and easy,
Leave the coals in the pit.
Don't let your mind post-toastee,
Like a lot of my friends did.

Just keep me out of L.A.,
Things are crazy out there.
From people that I been meetin',
Seems I got to beware.
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