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real Cannabis calm

(1,124 posts)
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 02:22 PM Jun 2019

just in: "TRUMP ACCUSED OF RAPE!"

Famed columnist E Jean Carroll claims she was raped by Donald Trump in NYC dressing room, alleging he 'pinned her arms, unzipped his pants and forcibly penetrated her for three minutes'
By CHRIS SPARGO FOR DAILYMAIL.COM
PUBLISHED: 13:25 EDT, 21 June 2019 | UPDATED: 13:47 EDT, 21 June 2019

E Jean Carroll claims in her new book What Do We Need Men For? A Modest Proposal, that she was raped by Donald Trump in a dressing room.

The incident allegedly occurred in the fall of 1995 or spring of 1996, and Carroll still has the coat dress she claims to have worn that day

She claims Trump asked her for help with a gift and then allegedly lunged at her in a dressing room before forcibly penetrating her for three minutes

The White House called Carroll's allegations 'a completely false and unrealistic story' meant to make Trump look bad

Trump would have been married to Marla Maples at this time, and Carroll is now the 16th woman to accuse the president of sexual misconduct.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7168035/Famed-columnist-E-Jean-Carroll-claims-raped-Donald-Trump-NYC-dressing-room.html?ico=pushly-notifcation-small
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just in: "TRUMP ACCUSED OF RAPE!" (Original Post) real Cannabis calm Jun 2019 OP
Yack! Bayard Jun 2019 #1
and i bet the second knew whereof she spoke about 200 lawyers. mopinko Jun 2019 #3
do you suppose we own a blood sample? mopinko Jun 2019 #2
She fought him off and ran lunatica Jun 2019 #10
She says she never had sex again after that. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #61
Even if true Cartoonist Jun 2019 #4
I'm sorry, I don't beleive that story Dread Pirate Roberts Jun 2019 #5
Stormy, is that you? pandr32 Jun 2019 #6
Lol ....., KPN Jun 2019 #48
I agree, plus he has small hands. zackymilly Jun 2019 #8
She did also add he... jcgoldie Jun 2019 #16
Getting up off the floor malaise Jun 2019 #17
LOL! maddiemom Jun 2019 #53
Link from NY Mag MelissaB Jun 2019 #7
No way. Trump would never rape her. Just look at her, she's not hot! Still In Wisconsin Jun 2019 #31
Just to put a fine point on it from "back in the day" eleny Jun 2019 #38
Nope. Still not hot enough. Still In Wisconsin Jun 2019 #40
I love that dripping Sarc smiley eleny Jun 2019 #43
has to dress like that. Who would believe trump was a man unless she did? demigoddess Jun 2019 #49
Is that our First Lady--and I use the term "Lady" loosely HelenWheels Jun 2019 #57
Yeah, she looks sleezy and gross. Still In Wisconsin Jun 2019 #64
Oh she was hot back in the day. gldstwmn Jun 2019 #62
I've never seen "bullet points" quite like these.. EarnestPutz Jun 2019 #9
Could've been worse Fritz Walter Jun 2019 #15
Or worse yet, actual pictures of Trumps toadstool dick. EarnestPutz Jun 2019 #19
Didn't want to go there Fritz Walter Jun 2019 #42
... again StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #11
Kinda late to bring this up wouldn't you say? Kablooie Jun 2019 #12
Did you say that about Christine Blasey Ford, too? murielm99 Jun 2019 #23
These people didn't say this about any of Weinstein's victims that came forward years later. nt RandiFan1290 Jun 2019 #28
My entire body is shaking in RAGE Eliot Rosewater Jun 2019 #32
No. I wouldn't say. Caliman73 Jun 2019 #33
What a depraved, idiotic scumbag...those who are supporting rump are in the same boat... SWBTATTReg Jun 2019 #13
5th Avenue... TommyCelt Jun 2019 #14
And Carroll Still Has The Coat Dress She Claims To Have Worn That Day...... global1 Jun 2019 #18
Exactly what I was thinking! DNA anyone? Trueblue Texan Jun 2019 #25
Unless it's been preserved or stored in a secure location NewJeffCT Jun 2019 #59
I don't believe her. Captain Stern Jun 2019 #20
Every one is entitled to their opinion. pazzyanne Jun 2019 #45
As stated, you're free to have your opinion. BadgerMom Jun 2019 #50
K&R for, I'll take it!1 UTUSN Jun 2019 #21
The House needs to call these women in duforsure Jun 2019 #22
Too late. She should've reported this years ago. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #24
Everyone is entitled to their opinions. pazzyanne Jun 2019 #46
It is NEVER too late to report it! Trueblue Texan Jun 2019 #26
I think the statute of limitations has run Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #47
Not according to the news reports. Laffy Kat Jun 2019 #51
...in addition to this... Trueblue Texan Jun 2019 #58
I am so sorry that happened to you, Trueblue. Laffy Kat Jun 2019 #63
Misconduct? A sex crime. A violent sex crime. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #27
16th accuser? More like 25th. CaptainTruth Jun 2019 #29
Good luck getting the MSM to care. Funtatlaguy Jun 2019 #30
Trump will never be held accountable for his treatment of women LessAspin Jun 2019 #34
Especially since a majority of white women voted for him. Kaleva Jun 2019 #37
He could rape someone on 5th Avenue and wouldn't lose any voters. Sneederbunk Jun 2019 #35
Accused of rape... AGAIN. RockRaven Jun 2019 #36
I am beyond disgust with this woman abuser. CTyankee Jun 2019 #39
....again spanone Jun 2019 #41
His base could give two shits... budkin Jun 2019 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author JohnnyRingo Jun 2019 #52
Fallen standards Aussie105 Jun 2019 #54
What? Again? (sigh) hurple Jun 2019 #55
Wouldn't it be something if cannabis_flower Jun 2019 #56
Ewww...just the thought of it... CTyankee Jun 2019 #60

mopinko

(70,127 posts)
2. do you suppose we own a blood sample?
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 02:32 PM
Jun 2019

would they have kept his blood from his physical?

oh please let there be semen on that coat.

Cartoonist

(7,317 posts)
4. Even if true
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 02:36 PM
Jun 2019

This isn't going anywhere. Didn't a judge just dismiss something similar saying it was a political suit?

She now has to hire bodyguards and keep hidden.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
16. She did also add he...
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 04:21 PM
Jun 2019

..." thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me."

That is actually exactly what you would expect so I believe it. And I am so sorry for making light of sexual assault its just so frustrating that this will slide right off this piece of shit. We already had video tape of him admitting this sort of personal behavior and they elected him anyway.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
40. Nope. Still not hot enough.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 06:06 PM
Jun 2019

The Donald's got different tastes. More like this:

?w=683&h=1048&crop=1


Oh, and again, just in case,

demigoddess

(6,641 posts)
49. has to dress like that. Who would believe trump was a man unless she did?
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 07:34 PM
Jun 2019

she is advertising board for his manhood.

HelenWheels

(2,284 posts)
57. Is that our First Lady--and I use the term "Lady" loosely
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 01:44 PM
Jun 2019

She shouldn't have bothered with that dress, she looks nude.

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
62. Oh she was hot back in the day.
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 07:04 PM
Jun 2019

There's nothing wrong with the way she looks now. She used to date Hunter Thompson.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
33. No. I wouldn't say.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 05:24 PM
Jun 2019

Women and people in general have ALL kinds of valid reasons for keeping silent about being violated in one of the worst ways imaginable. I had the initial reaction of, "Why didn't she report it?" But quickly caught myself because, as I said, this woman had a career, privacy, her dignity, possibly a family, and other things that she likely felt she needed to protect. Things are a little different now in the era of "me too" but it is still a horrible experience for women who report being sexually assaulted, especially if their abusers are men with power. Trump would be one of the worst because he is such a vile piece of crap who will get deep down in the mud to disparage this woman.

SWBTATTReg

(22,141 posts)
13. What a depraved, idiotic scumbag...those who are supporting rump are in the same boat...
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 04:00 PM
Jun 2019

supporting the likes of such scumbags...

global1

(25,253 posts)
18. And Carroll Still Has The Coat Dress She Claims To Have Worn That Day......
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 04:24 PM
Jun 2019

Hmmmmm..... shades of the 'Blue Dress' from Lewinsky's days.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
59. Unless it's been preserved or stored in a secure location
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 06:23 PM
Jun 2019

I think any sort of physical evidence would be questionable over 10 years later. I certainly believe her when she says this, but unless she took steps to not just keep the coat, but properly preserve any sort of evidence, I'm not sure it would be usable in a court.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
20. I don't believe her.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 04:38 PM
Jun 2019

It's not that I don't think trump would do something like that. I think he would.

I just don't find her credible at all. Her story just sounds made up.

She didn't report it when it happened...she was scared. Fair enough. I understand that.

She didn't say anything about it while trump was running for President (twenty years later). Ok.

She didn't say anything about it after trump became President. Again, OK. She doesn't owe us anything.

But now, it's in her new book. Seriously? It must be true because she still has the same clothes from when it happened! How could she possibly fake having the same clothes from the story she just now told us?!?

In my opinion, anybody that bites on this story is going to be sorry they ever gave it any credibility at all.

BadgerMom

(2,771 posts)
50. As stated, you're free to have your opinion.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 09:40 PM
Jun 2019

I have mine, too. Just because she has a financial motivation does NOT make her story untrue. If this happened to her and she’s dealt with this he consequences all these years, good for her for capitalizing on it. She’s not requesting and apparently doesn’t need anyone else’s approval.

There is no reason any sane woman would bring this kind of examination on herself if it were not true. I don’t question why women don’t bring this kind of thing up at one point or another. This is personal. It is her story to tell, when, where and how she pleases.

She’s not asking anyone to “bite.”

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
22. The House needs to call these women in
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 04:44 PM
Jun 2019

To testify in public one by one until others who refuse to come in change and come to speak. They should expose him over and over again showing the pee tape could easily be real showing his lack of morals.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
24. Too late. She should've reported this years ago.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 04:55 PM
Jun 2019

It's suspicious to have this pop up now. We could have used this story about the time of the Access Hollywood tape.

Trueblue Texan

(2,430 posts)
26. It is NEVER too late to report it!
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 05:00 PM
Jun 2019

It may take decades or even a lifetime to report, but it is the victim's right to report it publically when he or she so chooses! I believe her!

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
47. I think the statute of limitations has run
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 07:08 PM
Jun 2019

I think it's too late for criminal action.

It's definitely too late for political action. That needed to be claimed in 2015 or 2016. You know...10 or 11 years after it happened.

Not many are going to give this sort of thing any credence. It's suspicious that she's been sitting on this through his campaign in 2015 and 2016, his initial year of horrors, the next two years (with children sleeping on concrete floors in cages), and only now she decides to make this claim? In the runup to a second election?

I give it no weight whatsoever. It doesn't make sense. I would have loved for her to make this claim in early or mid-2016, when it could have made a difference. Around the time of the Access Hollywood tape would have been perfect.

Laffy Kat

(16,383 posts)
51. Not according to the news reports.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 09:59 PM
Jun 2019

The SOL has not and will not expire on first-degree rape in NY. Also, she told several women right after it happened and they will attest.


https://www.gothamgazette.com/criminal-justice/1381-state-removes-statute-of-limitations-for-rape-cases

Trueblue Texan

(2,430 posts)
58. ...in addition to this...
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 06:17 PM
Jun 2019

...for the victim, whenever and whatever way she/he chooses to disclose it, is immediate enough!

I was very nearly raped by a police officer in the late 70s. I guarantee you if that son-of-a-bitch ever runs for public office, I WILL disclose his identity. At the time it happened, I doubt it would have done any good at all, even if I had been believed. Victims have their own reasons for keeping their mouths shut and they are as varied as the human beings on this planet. Sometimes it's just not worth the risk or the pain to make these things known, especially back then. When the victim feels it's safe and appropriate, it is the right time to disclose. Whether anyone else can make hay of it or not is not the point.

Laffy Kat

(16,383 posts)
63. I am so sorry that happened to you, Trueblue.
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 08:50 PM
Jun 2019

I was also subjected to police maltreatment as a youth (out past curfew with a boy and police "intervened&quot . I wasn't raped but definitely humiliated. Naturally, since I was out past curfew I couldn't do anything or report them. I actually felt guilty about it for years.

RockRaven

(14,974 posts)
36. Accused of rape... AGAIN.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 05:28 PM
Jun 2019

This is not the first accusation of sexual assault/rape against this monster. I don't anticipate this one will have any effects that the prior ones did not.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
39. I am beyond disgust with this woman abuser.
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 05:57 PM
Jun 2019

What he has done to these women (and how many more we don't know about) is vile.

Today I was imagining what these women went through, violating their bodies with his hands. I never thought we would see this kind of assault from a president. Even Clinton's bj's, bad and embarrassing as they were, did not reach the level of trump vileness. As a woman, I am sickened and very, very angry...

budkin

(6,703 posts)
44. His base could give two shits...
Fri Jun 21, 2019, 06:44 PM
Jun 2019

It's incredibly sad, but it's the Trump world we live in now... aka. "FAKE NEWS!"

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Aussie105

(5,402 posts)
54. Fallen standards
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 09:07 AM
Jun 2019

When the news broke that Bill had done the dirty with Monica in the Oval Office, I was shocked and horrified. I wanted a strong reaction, to reestablish expected standards.

Now, Trump, another accusation of rape.

My reaction: Probably true, wouldn't surprise me, really.

Has the standard of morality and ethical conduct expected from a President of the US dropped so much?
Have we lowered our standard to that extent?
How low can you go?
And more importantly, who will get those standards back up where they should be?

Trump: Doing damage every day.


JOKE: What's an oxymoron? Answer: A moron wasting normal peoples' oxygen. Such is Trump.

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