E. Jean Carroll: "Trump attacked me in the dressing room of Bergdorf Goodman."

[dalton99a]

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/president-donald-trump-faces-new-rape-accusation.html

E. Jean Carroll: “Trump attacked me in the dressing room of Bergdorf Goodman.”
By Sarah Jones



The cover story New York published today details an encounter the writer E. Jean Carroll had over two decades ago with Donald J. Trump, in which the then–real-estate mogul allegedly assaulted her in a dressing room of the Bergdorf Goodman department store in midtown Manhattan.

The episode is one of six incidents Carroll details in the article of attacks on her by men over the course of her life. Another episode involves the disgraced former CEO of CBS, Les Moonves. The cover story is an excerpt from her newest book, What Do We Need Men For? A Modest Proposal, which will be published on July 2 by St. Martin’s Press.

When Carroll meets Donald Trump in Bergdorf Goodman, the encounter starts as a friendly one. Trump recognizes her as “that advice lady”; Carroll recognizes him as “that real-estate tycoon.” Trump tells Carroll that he’s there to buy a gift for “a girl,” and though we don’t learn the identity of this mystery woman, Carroll places the ensuing incident in late 1995 or early 1996, during which time Trump was married to Marla Maples. When Trump asks Carroll to advise him on what to buy, she agrees, and the two eventually make their way to the lingerie section. Trump suggests a lace bodysuit and encourages Carroll to try it on; she, deflecting, jokingly suggests that he try it on instead. After they reach the dressing rooms, events turn violent. In Carroll’s account, Trump shoves her against a wall inside a dressing room, pulls down her tights, and, “forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me.”

Carroll, 75, is a venerated Elle advice columnist. At the time of the attack, she was well known in her own right. A frequent feature writer for magazines like Playboy and Esquire, she had her own television show on America’s Talking, the precursor to MSNBC. Trump had his own record. By the time of his alleged assault on Carroll, Trump’s ex-wife, Ivana, had already claimed that Trump violated her during their marriage. (Ivana recanted the claim after Trump launched his campaign for the presidency.) Further news reports, published in 2016, place at least four other alleged sexual-assault claims, made by Kristin Anderson, Jill Harth, Cathy Heller, and Temple Taggart McDowell, in the years before and during the time period of Carroll’s account.

Carroll is now at least the 16th woman to accuse Donald Trump of sexual misconduct and the 14th to accuse Moonves of similar offenses. The incidents, which date from the 1990s, are highly specific and related with dark humor. Moonves is compared by Carroll to an octopus, and Trump, she writes, “yammers about himself like he’s Alexander the Great ready to loot Babylon.” But she is clear, sometimes clinical, about the violence she experienced. Moonves frantically kisses and gropes her in a hotel elevator moments after she finished interviewing him for an article. The Trump story is even darker.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

1. Watch it. He'll attack her claims by saying she was too old for his taste.

Put very good money on it.

[GusBob]

6. I dunno there might be another angle of attack

He might try to defend the size of his manhood here

I dont reckon he wants to be called out as Donald “is it in?” Trump

[NewJeffCT]

13. that would line up with Stormy Daniels' assessment

she said it was small as well

[True Blue American]

117. :)

[RVN VET71]

143. She says she didn't know

if he had penetrated fully or only partially! Even Stormy Daniels suggested it was hard to tell!

So there will not be a criminal trial over this, to be frank. He's got all the power he needs to keep this accusation from resulting in actual charges being filed. I believe, absolutely, that the son of a b*tch raped her and used his position of wealth and fame (and his army of lawyers) to get away with it . Ah, but now an important truth is out and abroad in the world, and its been corroborated by 2 completely different women: Trump's got little soldier in his pants, a teeny, tiny little soldier!

No wonder Melania looks so sad and unfulfilled! On her wedding night, I imagine her playing over and over again Peggy Lee's song: "Is that all there is?"

[PunkinPi]

12. He literally told her she was old before the incident...

An excerpt from "The Cut"

“How old is the lady in question?” I ask.

“How old are you?” replies the man, fondling the hat and looking at me like Louis Leakey carbon-dating a thighbone he’s found in Olduvai Gorge.

“I’m 52,” I tell him.

“You’re so old!” he says, laughing — he was around 50 himself — and it’s at about this point that he drops the hat, looks in the direction of the escalator, and says, “Lingerie!” Or he may have said “Underwear!” So we stroll to the escalator. I don’t remember anybody else greeting him or galloping up to talk to him, which indicates how very few people are in the store at the time.

link --> https://www.thecut.com/2019/06/donald-trump-assault-e-jean-carroll-other-hideous-men.html?utm_source=nym_press

[Still In Wisconsin]

48. Well, I mean, look at her. There's no way a guy like TRUMP

would go for her. No way.


Oh, and just in case.

[Turin_C3PO]

2. Wow, that's straight up rape!

I see no reason to not believe her. What a scumbag we have as President!

[customerserviceguy]

4. I'm a bit curious

as to why she didn't tell us before the election.

[dalton99a]

5. Fear:

New York has verified that Carroll did disclose the attack to these friends at the time, and has confirmed that Bergdorf Goodman kept no security footage that would prove or disprove Carroll’s story. New York has also sought comment from Moonves and Trump. Through his representative, Moonves told New York that he “emphatically denies” the incident occurred. A senior White House official said in a statement, “This is a completely false and unrealistic story surfacing 25 years after allegedly taking place and was created simply to make the President look bad.”

As for why Carroll has come forward only now, she writes that she dreaded the public humiliation that awaits her. “Receiving death threats, being driven from my home, being dismissed, being dragged through the mud,” she writes, “and joining the 15 women who’ve come forward with credible stories about how the man grabbed, badgered, belittled, mauled, molested, and assaulted them, only to see the man turn it around, deny, threaten, and attack them, never sounded like much fun.”

[customerserviceguy]

8. I figured that was probably the case n/t

[RhodeIslandOne]

84. Ask yourself

Would it have mattered?

[customerserviceguy]

87. Maybe

but, point taken, probably not.

[Maggiemayhem]

130. His supporters don't give a shit.

Maybe it will temporarily lower his poll numbers. His supporters are die hard dug in. He could shoot a person in Times Square, remember? Even church ladies don’t give a ****. He can torture little children and as long as he helps them reach their goal of eliminating abortions, they simply don’t care.Remember the women with downward pointing arrows on their shirts saying he can grab this? Basically, Trump supporters are pro life in the womb only bigots.

[customerserviceguy]

3. "...halfway -- or completely, I'm not certain..."

Wow, that's going to leave a mark!

[htuttle]

23. LOL

[live love laugh]

94. 😂😂😂😂 lol nt

[CTyankee]

100. That is disgusting. She is describing the physical act of rape.

Explain to me why this is even remotely funny to you.

[Kali]

128. she is making a snide comment about his size

or lack thereof.

people often deal with horror and trauma using humor.

[CTyankee]

140. i don't think that's right. She was in the midst of describing a traumatic experience...

I suppose you could be right but I had a different feeling for what she was trying to describe...

[customerserviceguy]

145. Think Marco Rubio

and small hands. Yes, this is about something serious, but the way she chose to describe it recalls that part of the debates.

[MineralMan]

7. Can't wait for my copy to arrive!

My question: Why would she lie about something like that?

[mopinko]

67. in today's climate- why indeed?

she is risking some serious harm here.
she will be slimed and slandered. she knows that.

she has zero to gain and much to lose.

[FBaggins]

103. The question may answer itself

What was your prior impression of her?

[MineralMan]

134. I had heard of her, and have read a few of the things she wrote

in the past, but I don't know her personally.

[FBaggins]

136. And now you can't wait to get her new book

I don't know enough about her to evaluate her character... but that's enough of a reason to lie for some people.

Alternatively... I'm sure there's a non-zero population of people who would be willing to take the hit on their own character if it meant getting this guy out of office even a little sooner.

[MineralMan]

137. I was talking about that issue of New York Magazine.

I'm a subscriber. It will be here today or Monday.

I'm not interested in her new book, but I will be interested in the article mentioned in the OP. As for her veracity, given Trump's reputation and actual statements, I see no reason to doubt her story, but I know no more about it than you do.

But, you have misunderstood what I said.

[FBaggins]

138. Apologies if I misunderstood... but the point is still the same

She's releasing a new book... any agent or publisher will tell you that something salacious in your promo tour will help sell the book. You might not have meant that you would rush to preorder the book... but plenty of people will.

[MineralMan]

139. I'm not interested in her book. I like New York Magazine, though.

I doubt her book will become a long-running bestseller, whatever she does. I don't much care, really.

I do think that her story about Trump is worth telling, though, and am glad she has told it. No doubt there are many similar stories that many other women could tell about Trump. He is a despicable man. Anything that hurts his chances of reelection is just fine with me.

[nolabear]

9. Why isn't this the lede in every newscast today?

I know he’ll deny it but seriously, is rape just some “Oh, another one of THOSE accusations” 🙄 issue? What the actual goddamn fuck???

[Celerity]

11. Rump is so horrible so often he has numbed people's sense of outrage, he has induced collective

scandal fatigue.

He has utterly normalised thuggery and dysfunctional, sociopathic behaviour for tens upon tens of millions of people who are NOT even his base of support.

[Turin_C3PO]

16. I'm very worried

about the lasting effect he’ll have on our culture in general. He’s overturned so many norms.

[Celerity]

19. it is going to take decades, if ever, to stuff Magats back in the poison bottle that Rump uncorked.

RW telly, radio, internet helped create an ever-growing amount of poison in the bottle in the first place.

[Turin_C3PO]

20. My hope is that his most hardcore followers

retreat to their swamps and go back to being non-voters once Trump is gone.

[Celerity]

22. Let us all hope some new RW white nationalist-coddling demagogue doesn't rise up from swamp

and not only keeps the flames of hate and division alive but finds new, more nefarious ways to harness it. Such monsters do exist in a nation of 330 million people.

Trump is training his legions to feel free to unleash their inner demons. A far more intelligent, driven, and equally (or even more so) evil being can array those demons into actual unified, regimented battle (speaking metaphorically) formations.

[Turin_C3PO]

26. That's my fear too.

Can you imagine what type of crazies are going to be in the 2024 Republican primary? They’ll all be trying to court the deplorables.

[Celerity]

36. Been saying it for years, but in terms of already major Rethugs, Cotton from Arkansas is a fucking

nightmare. Very intelligent (shame he wasted it on the dark side), combat vet, ultra fundie hater, super hawk, very tall, so checks the physical box, projects menace. He is an absolute viscous RW'er. So easy to close your eyes and imagine him in an SS uniform.

[dhol82]

69. Agree with you there

And he sounds more rational. Well, until you really listen.

[tblue37]

74. But definitely a pencil neck. nt

[True Blue American]

102. Yes, I have

Listened to Cotton on the Senate floor. He must have been happy in the war. His anger comes through the TV.

[stopdiggin]

35. the Bannon, Miller spawn will certainly be there

We will absolutely see an upswing in nationalism, racism (often but not always analogous), hate and fear mongering .. and plenty of maggots willing to promote themselves and their agenda. Decent folks are in for a long push. Good news is, decency still has a pretty good record as far as identifying that which is ugly (I give you the church congregations that are vocally turning away from the religious right, and the many gun owners that have distanced themselves from the NRA). And 2) the vast majority of young people have no truck with this crap at all.

[True Blue American]

104. Bannon

Was shot down in Italy. His Monastery did not do well, training Nationalists.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-italy-monastery-bannon/italy-revokes-lease-for-site-of-bannons-right-wing-academy-idUSKCN1T235I

[area51]

34. +1

I'm thinking it'll take at least a generation to get our society norms back.

[rampartc]

107. these are this society's "norms."

these people are doing what they were taught by their parents, and they are raising new generations.

[bullwinkle428]

17. Bingo - John Fugelsang calls it "What the fuck fatigue".

[anarch]

37. he was credibly accused of multiple rapes before the election; it was determinedly ignored

by the media, by all politicians, and certainly by this monster's supporters--well except for the ones for whom this is a selling point, because they see it as a sign of their führer's virility or something. so yeah, basically "oh it's another one of those accusations" but since Fuckface has been embraced by the GOP, that's totally fine, nothing will come of it.

[RhodeIslandOne]

85. His supporters do not care

They have made it clear.

Nevermind that the whole thing was rigged.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

38. What's worst or insane? Is that he trashed bidens

Overly affectionate (but non-sexual) behavior.

Like a murderer slamming a person who pulls the warning tag off a pillow.

[Caliman73]

65. That is his strategy.

Trump and his stupid kids went after Hunter Biden's infidelity when Don Jr. got divorced for infidelity last year and Trump has cheated on ALL 3 of his wives.

It is difficult to deal with a person who has no sense of shame. Like you said, the serial killer telling the jaywalker that he is morally corrupt.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

39. Fyi ...it's the lead headline on Twitter! Trending

8th in country.

US news
·
49 minutes ago
Writer E. Jean Carroll alleges Trump raped her in the 1990s
4.9K people are Tweeting about this

[live love laugh]

64. He just knocked it off the news headlines with another crazy tweet

[Tommy_Carcetti]

10. I'm sure she will be immediately attacked by Juanita Broaddrick.

A truly wretched woman who has had over two decades to spout claims of sexual assault against President Clinton even though her own sworn testimony contradicts those claims....and yet the moment any woman makes similar claims against a prominent conservative, she attacks them viciously with every fiber of her being.

This included Dr. Christine Blasey-Ford who she routinely slandered over Twitter, even though Dr. Blasey-Ford--unlike her--was willing to testify to her claims under oath.

And if you go to her Twitter account, you'll see her cover photo, which is her happily sitting right next to Mr. "Grab'em By the Pussy" himself at a Roger Stone organized press conference.

[Metatron]

80. Agree completely

[lunatica]

14. Kick

I believe her.

[Still In Wisconsin]

15. TRUMP's Christian supporters are fine with it, though.

He's changed now, became Christian, washed by the blood of the lamb, never claimed he was perfect, blah blah blah...

[Cha]

83. "Christian" supporters.

[Still In Wisconsin]

89. No, I'd say Christian, without the quotes. Sadly. No offense intended.

The majority of self-identifying Christians in this country support Trump. Pretty much you support Trump or you're unwelcome in most Christian congregations. There are a few exceptions I would suppose.

[Cha]

90. I was just thinking that

they say they're "Christians" but they don't follow the teachings of Christ.

There are Christian Liberals.. my sister is one of them and all her friends do not supporter the lying, vile, perverted, Psycho.

[watoos]

112. I talked to a young lady a week ago,

she was doing the financial paper work for my buying a car. We talked about positive thinking and about how positive thoughts lead to better outcomes. I suggested a couple of books for her to read. She then turned religious and told me about her life's history. She told me about her husband losing his job, about how it was God's plan, that she needed to trust what God had in store for her. She moved the conversation to Trump and asked my opinion. I wanted to be polite so I told her about the video evidence of Trump looking at a 10 year old girl and saying that he would be dating her in 10 years. I asked her the question, what kind of person does that, looks at a 10 year old with sexual thoughts. She paused for a short moment, did not answer the question, but moved on to about how well the country is doing under Trump.

She was an extremely "religious" person who believed in pre-destination. She believes that Trump was, no bullshit here, chosen by God. If God was not on Trump's side he would not have been elected president. This is why so many people follow Trump, they do so religiously. Notice my use of the word religious and not Christian.

[True Blue American]

121. She would have lost that sale

To me,if you had not already signed. I would have made sure both management and higher up would hear my objections.

After being on the other side I know you go up to the highest. You can still let management jnow.

Please think about this.

I had an episode in a car dealership. I apologized later to those waiting with me. They said they would have helped me but I was doing so well on my own they did not want to stop me. But it was with another customer. a blustering Republican.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

18. I have a book of hers. and watched her tv show.

She was very entertaining. I also recall her asking viewers to contact Roger Ailes to hire her when Murdoch bought her station for Fox News.

This is a mind boggler.

[SunSeeker]

21. K & R for exposure.

[hedda_foil]

24. Ok, WTF was she doing in a dressing room with him. In the first place?

I believe her, but what was this sophisticated woman thinking?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

32. Same question I ask

[femmedem]

40. She describes it in the full article.

https://www.thecut.com/2019/06/donald-trump-assault-e-jean-carroll-other-hideous-men.html#_ga=2.157244792.2132276197.1561145421-816731904.1550897452

Much more here than in the description linked to in the OP. In a nutshell, she was joking around with him. He was shopping for a gift, she was helping him to pick it out, he told her to try it on, she said, "No, you try it on." She was laughing. She thought she would make him put it on over his pants. She admits to being stupid. She can't believe her stupidity. But I find her willingness to admit all of this adds power to her story, and makes her more credible.

[hedda_foil]

51. I read the whole piece and she's very believable but wtf!

[gldstwmn]

25. Ugh. This is horrifying.

[llmart]

27. I believe her.

n/t

[underthematrix]

28. In Michael Wolfe's new book SEIGE, read pages 81-83

in which he describes an encounter between a young attractive interior designer and Trump while aboard his plane - inflight. It is horrifying.

[Achilleaze]

30. Republican family values suck

Degenerate

[Laura PourMeADrink]

31. Why did she walk him to the dressing room?

[maxsolomon]

43. why does that matter?

rape is rape.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

44. I know that. I just want to know. Is that a fucking crime now?

[maxsolomon]

45. well, asking "why x did y" is usually the 1st step in blaming the victim.

even if she went there to make out with him, it wouldn't matter. rape is rape.

but no, it's not a fucking crime to ask.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

50. Thanks but I don't need anyone to tell me what to think or ask

[maxsolomon]

59. Well, you did ask a question. You asked "Is that a fucking crime?"

I answered it. I didn't tell you what to think.

Is that a "fucking crime"?

[TwilightZone]

68. If you don't want people to answer your questions...

perhaps you shouldn't ask any.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

70. Please leave me alone

[TwilightZone]

82. This is a discussion forum.

I will choose when and how I participate.

[CTyankee]

99. But you can choose to do better than that.

She asked you and said "please." Doesn't that indicate to you that she has good reason to do so? Think about this.

[watoos]

105. Them why not be polite and answer the question,

If you don't know the answer say so.

[ellie]

33. I love her column!

I hope this gets traction.

[smirkymonkey]

41. Ugh! There are no words to describe how horrible and disgusting he is!

I just so want him to get what is coming to him. I want him to pay for his life of lying, cheating, cruelty, rape, grifting, insensitivity, gluttony, greed and narcisscism. I want to see Karma bite him in his fat, flabby ass now!

I hate him with the fire of a thousand suns. I don't just want him out of office, I want him to have a brutal, humiliating, publicly degrading end and spend his last years in poverty and excruciating pain.

[True Blue American]

106. I try hard not

To hate but have to admit I agree with every word you posted!

My depression is getting worse every day.

[Duppers]

42. I believe her but why'd she wait *this long*?

To tell the world?

And does Melania fear being deported or something if she divorces 45pos? She can't still be dumb enough to keep believing his lies.

[femmedem]

49. If you read the full piece, I think you'll understand.

Not the summary article linked to in the OP, but E. Jean Carroll's book excerpt published in New York: https://www.thecut.com/2019/06/donald-trump-assault-e-jean-carroll-other-hideous-men.html#_ga=2.157244792.2132276197.1561145421-816731904.155089745

She told two friends at the time, and one urged her to go to the police. The other, a news anchor, urged her to keep quiet because Trump would destroy her. Also, I imagine in those days--and probably in these days too--she wouldn't have been able to get a conviction because the jury would have had problems with her going into the dressing room with him with a piece of lingerie. I doubt she could have found a jury where all twelve people understood that no means no.

I was raped and I pressed charges. I got into a car that I shouldn't have gotten into. I dutifully explained to the grand jury that the rapist pulled a knife on me, then put his other hand around my waist. The rapists' lawyer asked, "So the two of you were hugging in the car. What happened next?"

It's a damn lot easier to be quiet, even if your rapist isn't DT.

[Duppers]

52. Thank you!

So much. Great explanation.
BTDT. I was being an idiot.

🙏

[femmedem]

54. I've known you via DU a long time and you're never an idiot.

It's a hard thing to understand, normal to not understand, if you haven't experienced it.

[Duppers]

60. Jeepers, thank you again.

But sometimes I am "not too with it" and take shortcuts.

And you're most kind.

[progressoid]

62. It's in the article.

Did I tell anyone about it?

Yes. I told two close friends. The first, a journalist, magazine writer, correspondent on the TV morning shows, author of many books, etc., begged me to go to the police.

“He raped you,” she kept repeating when I called her. “He raped you. Go to the police! I’ll go with you. We’ll go together.”

My second friend is also a journalist, a New York anchorwoman. She grew very quiet when I told her, then she grasped both my hands in her own and said, “Tell no one. Forget it! He has 200 lawyers. He’ll bury you.” (Two decades later, both still remember the incident clearly and confirmed their accounts to New York.)

Do I have photos or any visual evidence?

Bergdorf’s security cameras must have picked us up at the 58th Street entrance of the store. We would have been filmed on the ground floor in the bags-and-hats sections. Cameras also must have captured us going up the escalator and into the lingerie department. New York law at the time did not explicitly prohibit security cameras in dressing rooms to “prevent theft.” But even if it had been captured on tape, depending on the position of the camera, it would be very difficult to see the man unzipping his pants, because he was wearing a topcoat. The struggle might simply have read as “sexy.” The speculation is moot, anyway: The department store has confirmed that it no longer has tapes from that time.

Why were there no sales attendants in the lingerie department?

Bergdorf Goodman’s perfections are so well known — it is a store so noble, so clubby, so posh — that it is almost easier to accept the fact that I was attacked than the fact that, for a very brief period, there was no sales attendant in the lingerie department. Inconceivable is the word. Sometimes a person won’t find a sales attendant in Saks, it’s true; sometimes one has to look for a sales associate in Barneys, Bloomingdale’s, or even Tiffany’s; but 99 percent of the time, you will have an attendant in Bergdorf’s. All I can say is I did not, in this fleeting episode, see an attendant. And the other odd thing is that a dressing-room door was open. In Bergdorf’s dressing rooms, doors are usually locked until a client wants to try something on.

Why haven’t I “come forward” before now?

Receiving death threats, being driven from my home, being dismissed, being dragged through the mud, and joining the 15 women who’ve come forward with credible stories about how the man grabbed, badgered, belittled, mauled, molested, and assaulted them, only to see the man turn it around, deny, threaten, and attack them, never sounded like much fun. Also, I am a coward.

[BigmanPigman]

75. Why was the door locked? That is very odd

to me. I briefly worked in the Lingerie Dept at Neiman Marcus in the 90s and we never locked the doors, there weren't even locks on them. We always had at least two sales associates on the floor at all times. ALWAYS! Did the fucking moron know the doors at this particular store? It seems pretty convenient for him. Did he do this at the same store to a different person(s)? I wouldn't be surprised at this point.

[True Blue American]

108. Yes

I worked in a Lingerie Department for a while, too. And I saw some very weird men.

[BigmanPigman]

144. It makes me wonder if he is one of those creepy

guys my co-workers and I woukd nervously joke about. Too bad the victim in this case won't press charges. An attorney was on MSNBC and said that she could since there is no statute of limitations in NY and it sounds like a solid case against him and could win in her favor.

[Raine]

46. 23 years ago

this will not permanently damage him IMO.

[Duppers]

53. Has anything?!

Imho, the press has been giving him huge passes.

[spanone]

47. K&R...

[LAS14]

55. Whenever I hear a story like this I want to shake young girls...

... (in a nice way - methphorically) and say, "YOU DON'T HAVE TO LET THIS HAPPEN! SCREAM. SCRATCH HIS EYES! STAMP ON HIS ARCH!"

Obviously this is not the right advice of you're outnumbered or he has a weapon, etc. But women, as well as people in mass shootings, need to develop a sense for fighting back.

[True Blue American]

109. Girls were shamed back then.

No matter how innocent they were. A normal woman would have no conception what a brute like Trump is capable of.

And it is too easy to say what someone should do!

[LAS14]

141. We need to take responsibility for what we're teaching the next generations.

The shame has to go! Things have to change. Women have to fight back.

[UTUSN]

56. K&R for, yip!1

[BlueStater]

57. Whether this is true or not, she knows what she's getting herself into.

She saw what that fat asshole and his deranged minions did to Christine Blasey Ford. I hope for her sake she's hiring some security.

[Cousin Dupree]

58. Were there other people around? Could she have yelled for help?

[LAS14]

81. We've become a nation of passivity. I cling to stories...

... that have cropped up recently of people who have attacked gunmen in mass shootings. Sometimes they die, but the ACTed.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12209173

[lunamagica]

61. knowing his base, they soon will be carring signs saying "Rape me Donald" at his rallies, like

General Hospital fans did for Luke and Laura in the 80's

[dalton99a]

77. +1. No doubt

[Captain Stern]

63. I don't believe her.

It's not that I don't think trump would do something like that. I think he would.

I just don't find her credible at all. Her story just sounds made up.

She didn't report it when it happened...she was scared. Fair enough. I understand that.

She didn't say anything about it while trump was running for President (twenty years later). Ok.

She didn't say anything about it after trump became President. Again, OK. She doesn't owe us anything.

But now, it's in her new book. Seriously? It must be true because she still has the same clothes from when it happened! How could she possibly fake having the same clothes from the story she just now told us?!?

In my opinion, anybody that bites on this story is going to be sorry they ever gave it any credibility at all.

[ansible]

66. Gonna have to agree here, jumping on the bandwagon on these kind of allegations hurts us

If this is proven to be a false allegation all this does is just make Trump look stronger.

[femmedem]

72. She told two people at the time.

Twenty years later, they confirmed to New York that they remembered her telling them.

[Captain Stern]

73. If what she said happened, then I hope she did tell people.

I wish she'd told a lot of people.

I wish she'd told more than two people (that evidently decided it was best to say NOTHING about it for two decades). If those are the only people she told, then she told the wrong people.

Even though her story could possibly be true, the timing of it just makes her look like an opportunist trying to turn a fast buck.

I just don't believe her.

[CTyankee]

98. I do. I do because I know what she is/has gone thru.

Having one's body violated is such trauma that if you haven't experienced it you don't know how you would react. Believe me.

[True Blue American]

110. No one knows what

Rape is like unless they experienced it!

I am truly sorry you had to go through that.

[Captain Stern]

118. I do believe you.

But, I don't believe her.

Nothing like that has ever happened to me, so I know I'm making assumptions about what I would do if it did.

I'm assuming that if something like that happened to me, and that I only told two people right after it happened, that it would be two people that I considered friends, confidantes, people I could trust, people that had my back, and cared about me.

I would assume that when I finally did tell everyone what happened, that those two friends I told would back me up. Yet, even today, decades later, the two (best?) friends that she told still won't come out, and let everyone know that she told them about it way back then.

Like I said, if those were the only people she told, then she told the wrong people.

[CTyankee]

120. I thought the friends confirmed her account (according to NY Magazine).

But if the victim asks the friends not to tell on their own, they would not be her friends if they went ahead and did tell the magazine. And why would she identify those friends?

I don't want to read the article because it will upset me. But from what I know and what I can glean from this article, I do believe it is true. Cui bono.

[Raine]

88. I can see being afraid to say something at the time but

other women spoke up when he was running and didn't have the power of the presidency behind him. It seems like now would be the a much scarier time to come out with this info. It makes me skeptical as to the timing. It's not that he wouldn't do it but BEFORE he got to be president would've been the time to have accused him. I doubt anything will come of this.

[CTyankee]

101. For one thing it is too horrible to live through again in "speaking up."

For us to ask such questions is beside the point.

I believe her.

[JI7]

93. Why did Trump deny having met her ?

[Captain Stern]

119. Because he's a liar.

Why does he lie about anything?

The guy lies, even when the truth wouldn't even hurt him.

I don't think he can tell the difference between reality and whatever is in his head.

This is the guy that said Abraham Lincoln lost the civil war.

[watoos]

124. Is Trump a sexual assaulter?

16 women have come forward, how many have not come forward? Maybe those 16 women all are liars just like Trump? It is possible. We wouldn't want to falsely accuse our president of a crime. I mean look what happened to the Central Park 5 kids, right? Did Trump ever apologize to them? Oh yeah, he doesn't have to maybe, because he is a proven liar.

[Captain Stern]

127. I think it's most likely that he is a sexual assaulter.

I have no way of knowing how many women have not come forward about it.

I don't know if the ones that have come forward about it are liars, or not.

We shouldn't want to falsely accuse anyone of a crime. That's what happened to the Central Park 5 kids.

Of course trump hasn't apologized to those kids. I've never seen any evidence that he's ever apologized to anyone. He doesn't have to. Nobody has to. Most of us don't apologize when we're wrong because we have to. We do it because it's the right thing to do.

[watoos]

131. Does Ms Carroll need the money from a book sale?

Is Ms. Carroll a proven liar? We all agree that Trump is a serial liar. So when Ms. Carroll accuses Trump of raping her we should take her accusation seriously, it is a believable story. When Trump says he never met Ms. Carroll that statement is clearly a lie if the posted picture is authentic. His statement about never having met her is relevant to me in deciding who is telling the truth.

I will try to use your logic; Trump says he never met Ms. Carroll. Trump says he never raped her. Trump is a proven liar.

Hey, I agree, sometimes liars tell the truth, but they made their own beds by being liars.

[Captain Stern]

133. I don't know if she needs money or not.

Of course trump is a liar. But when one party in a dispute is a known liar, that doesn't automatically make the other party truthful. The second party could be lying also.

I don't find her story credible. Supposedly she told two people about it at the time that it happened (decades ago)....and neither of them will publicly confirm that even now.

She could charge trump with rape right now, but she's not going to, because she says it's somehow disrespectful to women that are being raped now. That makes absolutely no sense.

I think her story is made up.

[malaise]

71. I'd like to know when the Con knew this was going to be published

It may explain Iran

[blue neen]

76. In addition to all Trump's other crimes, he's a rapist.

A predator. A sexual deviant.

[watoos]

113. A pedophile.

[blue neen]

135. That too.

You're 100% right.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

78. Trump claims he never met her. That's bullshit.

Link to tweet

?s=20

[dalton99a]

79. +1.

E. Jean Carroll

[Scurrilous]

86. K&R

[moondust]

91. "Tell no one. Forget it!"

"He has 200 lawyers. He’ll bury you.” - her friend's advice

25 years ago they knew what TheRump was all about: using his inherited millions to hire corrupt lawyers to intimidate anybody who doesn't like his lawless, corrupt behavior. And now he's weaponizing the law from the Oval Office.

[YOHABLO]

92. His base of supporters do not care. They believe it's all a MSM conspiracy to denigrate the Pres.

When in fact MSM has been absent for the most part on reporting these crimes.

[LittleGirl]

95. I actually read this from one of his supporters

They said he did those things when he was a Democrat.

That's their excuse.

[FM123]

115. Wow, that takes their trumpy enabling to a whole other level...

[LittleGirl]

125. ikr? ugh eom

[ck4829]

96. K&R

[muriel_volestrangler]

97. "Test the Damn Coatdress!!!!!!"

I want to focus on something, however, that I’ve not yet seen addressed: that the coatdress that Ms. Carroll wore when she alleges the President raped her has been hanging on her closet door ever since. (emphasis mine)

The Donna Karan coatdress still hangs on the back of my closet door, unworn and unlaundered since that evening.

TEST THE DAMN COATDRESS!!!!!!!!!!

If someone had accused President Obama or President Clinton or a prominent Democratic elected or appointed official, hell if someone had accused Secretary Clinton, of sexually assaulting and/or raping them, and had also reported they had the clothing they wore that day and it has been unworn and unwashed ever since, Roger Stone, Steve Bannon, David Bossie, Karl Rove – okay, Rove would hire someone as he can’t waddle that fast, Matt Schlapp – possibly same problem as Rove, Rudy Giuliani, Jacob Wohl, Ben Shapiro, Candace Owens, Chuck “Rage Furby” Johnson, whichever Breitbrat is on duty this weekend, and 1/2 a dozen other people affiliated with the Republican Party, the conservative movement, the alt-right, the Trump campaign or other supporting organization like his SuperPAC, Leonard Leo, Don McGahn on behalf of his real boss Mitch McConnell, and Matt Gaetz in an attempt to get Gym Jordan and Mark Meadows to stop wedgying him in the cloak room and giving him swirlies in the House locker room, would all be converging on the accusers home to GET THE DAMN COATDRESS AND TEST IT FOR THE DNA OF THE PERSON ACCUSED OF COMMITTING THE SEXUAL ASSAULT AND/OR RAPE!!!!!!

This isn’t chutes and ladders. It isn’t tic tac toe. There are no Marquess of Queensbury Rules. No one cares about good ring generalship, there’s no four knock down rule, you’re not going to be saved by the bell. What is needed here is effective aggression!

https://www.balloon-juice.com/2019/06/21/test-the-damn-coatdress/

[True Blue American]

111. Thank you!

Wouldn’t this be something after all these years?

[watoos]

114. Maya Wylie,

talked about the clothing last night on Lawrence's show I think. She stated that yes there could be DNA evidence on the clothing as long as the clothes weren't dry cleaned. She also stated that there is no statute of limitations for rape in New York.

[True Blue American]

116. What year did this happen?

Was it after Monica? This one could really explode in his face.

[Mike Nelson]

122. His supporters will...

… either not believe it, or secretly think he was very manly.

Deplorable.

[DeminPennswoods]

123. O'Donnell interviewed her last night

She said when the incident happened, there was no one - not another soul - in the lingerie section. She also said the dressing room door was unlocked, something not normally done at Bergdorf. IMO, Trump quickly sized up the situation, saw an opportunity and took it.

Link to segment: https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/exclusive-with-new-trump-assault-accuser-62458949970

[Vogon_Glory]

126. Hey, Right-Wing Lurkers, Here's Some Stuff To Chew On!

When you get the urge to apologize for good ol’ Donald Trump’s behavior in these circumstances, remember:

(1) this was not a “come away to my hotel room or apartment” thing. This assault occurred in a women’s dressing room at a department store.

(2) Donald Trump was a married man at the time. Aside from the sexual assault angle, I seem to remember that the Bible had a lot of passages condemning adultery and coveting another man’s wife.

(3) Not only was he married, so was she. If this account is true (and it certainly looks plausible), YOUR BOY ASSAULTED ANOTHER MAN’S WIFE.

(4) ordinary guys get arrested and prosecuted for such behavior. What sort of messaging are you sending to your sons, your daughters, and the world at large about your values?


Now what was this stuff about Donald Trump upholding “traditional values”? I forget.

[Funtatlaguy]

129. They don't care. He wasn't a "saved Christian" then.

[Kath2]

132. Right on!

[blakstoneranger]

142. Her Problem is Credibility--The Fakenews Network Will Destroy Her!!

She needs to be believable to a fault. Her story doesn't seem believable. Fakenews will say that hillary clinton and the soros' are behind this story. We have a supreme court judge who was accused of rape by an educated scientist and nobody cared. The judge was appointed to the supreme court anyway. No To get rid of trump, we must constantly remind the public of his blunders, incompetence, mismanagement, his idiocy. We need to be reminded every day with every detail. His base doesn't matter. His base is made up of idiots and huckleberrys most of whom don.t even vote.

[mollie8]

146. DNA evidence

Since Trump won't take a DNA test, maybe E. Jean Carroll could get his niece or or sister to take one. Then if there's a really close match he would be compelled to take one? There doesn't seem to be much love lost between them.

[mollie8]

147. DNA evidence

Since Trump won't take a DNA test, maybe Carroll could get his niece or sister to take one. Then if there's a really close match he would be compelled to take one? There doesn't seem to be much love lost between them.