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raccoon

(31,111 posts)
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 05:32 PM Jun 2019

2-year-old died after accidentally shooting himself.

A 2-year-old died after accidentally shooting himself at Greenville County home

WYFF 4 Updated: 5:22 PM EDT Jun 20, 2019

GREENVILLE, S.C. —
A 2-year-old died in Greenville County after what Lt. Ryan Flood, with the Greenville County Sheriff's Office called an accidental self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Flood said deputies were called just after 1:30 p.m. Thursday to a home on Dronfield Drive about a child who got a gun from inside the home and accidentally shot themself.

When deputies arrived at the scene, they tried to provide medical aid to the child before EMS arrived.

The child died on the way to the hospital, Flood said.

Wyff4.com

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2-year-old died after accidentally shooting himself. (Original Post) raccoon Jun 2019 OP
That wasn't an accident. It was a crime that ought to put the gun owner in prison. Kaleva Jun 2019 #1
i think the owners will put themselves in their own personal hell-prison for life.. samnsara Jun 2019 #2
They need real prison time on top of that too. Kaleva Jun 2019 #3
Yes. Like people who forget the baby in their cars, pool owners who don't safety fence, emmaverybo Jun 2019 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Kaleva Jun 2019 #10
Of course they should. emmaverybo Jun 2019 #12
Sorry. I must have misinterpreted what you posted. Kaleva Jun 2019 #14
That's ok! emmaverybo Jun 2019 #16
I'm ready to agree with that gratuitous Jun 2019 #4
I agree. The charge also MUST be a felony. Whether it's a deterrent may be debatable, madinmaryland Jun 2019 #13
Agreed. llmart Jun 2019 #15
Negligent homicide would be appropriate. Arkansas Granny Jun 2019 #17
I've read too many articles of parents not taking responsibility. Ilsa Jun 2019 #5
I wish I could ask them if it was God's will to make them a dumbass. LonePirate Jun 2019 #9
God don't give you no challenges without he also gave you 3Hotdogs Jun 2019 #21
Irresponsible gun owners make the worst parents. LonePirate Jun 2019 #6
We will see if they will still Doreen Jun 2019 #7
For a two year old to reach one, very easy assess. Blue_true Jun 2019 #22
My niece's x boyfriend and babies father Doreen Jun 2019 #25
Not an accident. Negligence, pure and simple. 3catwoman3 Jun 2019 #11
When I met my husband, he, being a hunter had multiple guns. blueinredohio Jun 2019 #18
Nice, leafy suburban street. Inground pools. maxsolomon Jun 2019 #19
sad. I'll need a few more facts to condemn the gun owner. aikoaiko Jun 2019 #20
Before getting the gun, what did your gun safety course teach you about properly securing it? Kaleva Jun 2019 #29
Sorry, it isn't an "accidental shooting". It is neglect. Caliman73 Jun 2019 #23
But, but, but, we need gunz for SAFETY! Coventina Jun 2019 #24
People Control, Not Gun Control Sancho Jun 2019 #26
Joe The Plumber: 'Your Dead Kids Don't Trump My Constitutional Rights' To Have Guns keithbvadu2 Jun 2019 #27
"If only he'd had access to a gun, he could have defended himself" struggle4progress Jun 2019 #28
The handgun belonged to the grandmother who was babysitting the boy Kaleva Jun 2019 #30

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
8. Yes. Like people who forget the baby in their cars, pool owners who don't safety fence,
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 05:43 PM
Jun 2019

parents who accidentally leave the door open to a cabinet housing a toxic substance.
I do think all gun owners should have to take a gun safety course, but I would not wish this
endless hell on anyone.

Response to emmaverybo (Reply #8)

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
4. I'm ready to agree with that
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 05:39 PM
Jun 2019

These stories just keep coming of children somehow getting their hands on a loaded weapon and shooting themselves or others. If someone's death was truly "punishment enough," it wouldn't happen as often as it does. Maybe if there was a five year minimum sentence attached to this sort of negligence, it might have more of a deterrent effect?

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
13. I agree. The charge also MUST be a felony. Whether it's a deterrent may be debatable,
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 05:59 PM
Jun 2019

but after the felony charge they will lose access to ALL guns, so that such an incident would not happen again.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
15. Agreed.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 06:04 PM
Jun 2019

Charge them with a felony, give them prison time and take their goddamned guns away from them!

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
5. I've read too many articles of parents not taking responsibility.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 05:41 PM
Jun 2019

They cry and then say it must have been God's will.

3Hotdogs

(12,390 posts)
21. God don't give you no challenges without he also gave you
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 07:03 PM
Jun 2019

the tools to overcome those challenges.

So if He made you stupid, you just gotta go along with it and do the best you can.

Corinthians: 2-2. Life is like a bowl of chocolates. You never know which one you'se gonna get.

Isiah: 2 Stupid is as gun-humper does.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
7. We will see if they will still
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 05:42 PM
Jun 2019

Support their delusion that guns must remain loaded and ready to fight off intruders with easy access.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
22. For a two year old to reach one, very easy assess.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 07:13 PM
Jun 2019

I am no gun owner though. Would own one under the most extreme circumstances and even then I would take gun safety training to the hilt.

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
25. My niece's x boyfriend and babies father
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 08:22 PM
Jun 2019

had loaded guns lying around the house on chairs and floor and all loaded. He was a testosterone pumped military boy.

blueinredohio

(6,797 posts)
18. When I met my husband, he, being a hunter had multiple guns.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 06:29 PM
Jun 2019

I Told him he had to get a gun safe and all guns had to be kept there unless he was using them. We have grandkids and too many kids get killed by "unloaded" guns.

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
20. sad. I'll need a few more facts to condemn the gun owner.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 06:36 PM
Jun 2019

These things can happen fast.

When I was a single guy a lady friend came over with her 5-year old son to talk. He was a curious kid and was running around my apartment looking into drawers and boxes. He ran into my room and I heard a drawer open and I had to go running in because I kept a loaded revolver in the end table drawer. He opened a different drawer, but it could have been a disaster.

Now everything is locked up in my house.

Kaleva

(36,309 posts)
29. Before getting the gun, what did your gun safety course teach you about properly securing it?
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:02 PM
Jun 2019

Maybe you were in the military and had training there. Another possibility is that you took a hunter safety course while a teenager. Here is an excerpt from a Michigan Hunter Education Course:

"Statistics show that more than half of the fatal firearm incidents reported each year occur in the home. Since almost all incidents are caused by carelessness and lack of knowledge, it’s the hunter’s duty to help prevent firearm mishaps in the home.

Most importantly, lock guns away where children can’t reach them, and store ammunition in a separate location. Check to see that a firearm is unloaded before allowing it in any building or living area."

https://www.hunter-ed.com/michigan/studyGuide/Firearm-Safety-in-the-Home/20102301_700169449/

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
23. Sorry, it isn't an "accidental shooting". It is neglect.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 07:20 PM
Jun 2019

As a firearm owner, this among many other things gun owners do, really infuriates me. Why the hell would you leave a deadly weapon where a child can access it. I mean, I know that there are a number of things that can hurt a child that are left out, but a gun, seriously, a loaded gun? It is an outrage and now that child's life is over. Unless you have the firearm on your person, it should be inaccessible. Lock the damn thing up, put a trigger guard on it, get a biometric safe if you think you need it in a pinch (which in most cases you really don't depending on where you live.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
26. People Control, Not Gun Control
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 08:26 PM
Jun 2019

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70’s, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that weren’t secured are out of control in our society. As such, here’s what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. I’m not debating the legal language, I just think it’s the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because it’s clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learner’s license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driver’s license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

keithbvadu2

(36,828 posts)
27. Joe The Plumber: 'Your Dead Kids Don't Trump My Constitutional Rights' To Have Guns
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 08:43 PM
Jun 2019

Joe The Plumber: ‘Your Dead Kids Don’t Trump My Constitutional Rights’ To Have Guns

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/27/joe-the-plumber-guns_n_5397981.html

Kaleva

(36,309 posts)
30. The handgun belonged to the grandmother who was babysitting the boy
Thu Jun 27, 2019, 08:30 PM
Jun 2019

"A 2-year-old boy died after he took a gun from his grandmother's purse and accidentally shot himself, authorities said.

Kayden Stuber, a 2-year-old from South Carolina, died Thursday afternoon from a gunshot wound to the head, Kent Dill of the Greenville County Coroner's Office told ABC News.

(MORE: 4-year-old California boy talking a month after accidentally shooting himself in head)
Kayden's grandmother and aunt had been watching him while his parents were at work, Dill said.

"Apparently he went into the grandmother's purse that was sitting on the bed and in some way retrieved, was handling the gun when it discharged," Dill said."

https://abcnews.go.com/US/year-boy-accidentally-shoots-kills-gun-grandmas-purse/story?id=63859180

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