They took their rosaries....

[Soph0571]

Who the fuck does that?

Nazis' that's who

[samnsara]

1. everyone needs to visit the Holocause Museum in DC...its chilling.

[mcar]

29. It really is

[trev]

31. While living in Germany

I steadfastly avoided visiting Dachau and Auschwitz. I knew I wouldn't be able to bear it.

[japple]

33. My family went to Dachau 1960 when Dad was stationed in Germany. It had not been

converted into a memorial or monument to those who were exterminated. We were the only people there that day. I don't remember all of the details--I was only 10 yrs. old, but I do remember feeling sad, afraid, and sick. My sister said that there were crates full of ashes in the chambers where the ovens were housed. I remember the cremetory and the ovens and the barracks. I also remember that it was a chilly, blustery Spring day with clouds blowing across the sun creating patterns of shadow and light that I imagined were angels of death.

My parents were both WWII veterans. They met and married in Germany after the war. They saw what war did to people of Germany and Europe and did everything they could to educate their children to the damages caused by ignorance, hatred and greed. We travelled all over Europe. There was still a lot of rubble in those days. Hell, the Berlin Wall was built while we lived there.

My sister and I toured the Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC. We both had strong reactions to many of the exhibits, but none so visceral as the shoes...

[trev]

34. Whereas I was in Germany when the Wall was torn down....

I remember seeing the East German Trabants on the Autobahns, barely able to chug along at 50 mph, being passed by cars doing twice that. They were funny little things.

The Vietnam War Memorial in DC was depressing enough for me. I didn't need to expose myself to the Nazi horrors.

[DemocracyMouse]

44. Japple, that is a striking, thoughtful description. I hope you'll publish your observations.

Send in an editorial to the papers? The media at large. The pen is mighter than the sword.

[homegirl]

46. Many thanks for sharing

I have delayed for decades the responsibility to record my memories of meeting survivors, of having them as neighbors and my 11 year old sister showing her bravery in 1949. Her teacher told the class the Holocaust did not happen. She came home asked for and received the photos an uncle had taken of a Holocaust camp, returned to school and challenged the teacher by showing the photos.

Now is the time to record and leave for the next generations the history.

Lest We Forget!.

[NastyRiffraff]

35. I cried throughout my visit

It makes it all too real. Very well presented, and respectful.

[PunkinPi]

42. the shoes...

[forgotmylogin]

43. Yes. It was unforgettable.

Walking out of there at the end up the hallway to the memorial room and seeing sunlight again was truly cathartic. Like a weight lifted. I remember leaning against a white wall and crying.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

2. This makes me sick.

What will it take? To get more people to stand up and say this isn't right?

[gratuitous]

4. Lots of people are standing up saying it's not right

Incredibly, there are also a lot of people who say things have to get Auschwitz-level bad before we should do anything about it, and even talking bad about it is a bit too far for some of them.

[Honeycombe8]

13. It may not be true. There is no authority for it yet. Verify, verify, verify.

Don't fall into the trap of just believing something because it's posted in social media.

[Tanuki]

15. You can verify the rosary picture here, but it is pre-Trump

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/photo-booth/a-janitors-collection-of-things-confiscated-from-migrants-in-the-desert

[Honeycombe8]

16. Yes. Verify. More and more posts are being published w/o authority, & some aren't true.

Some are true, some aren't. We need to verify so we don't get caught in the trap that the deplorables are in...they'll believe anything just because they like what it says. Clinton has a child slave ring under a pizzaria in New York? How horrible of her! (as if in any sort of real world that could possibly be true; but they want it to be true.)

They shouldn't take rosaries, of all things. Looks like they confiscate everything. A sad situation.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

25. It does go with what is being told to...

Us by immigrants that has been, what I consider dumbed here in Tucson.

[Honeycombe8]

30. I'm just saying....verify. Sources are required.

I've seen a couple of posts here in recent months that were false. They didn't cite any authority, and lots of people just automatically chose to believe it because they liked what it said.

Anything can be falsified or photoshopped. The Democrats have truth on its side. We need to be able to rely on the information presented here, IMO.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

32. +1

[stopdiggin]

39. Yes. Please!

You must be able to understand the problem of using pre-Trump photographs to illustrate the deplorable (possibly criminal) actions that are taking place TODAY. First year students can tear this kind of evidence (and argument) to shreds! If you're fighting for truth and justice .. then start with the truth.

[mainstreetonce]

3. Did they really take rosaries?

Sad

[Blue_true]

5. Seems like an act to humiliate the people being detained even more. nt

[pazzyanne]

10. It also removes a source of comfort from the detainees.

People in a bad place use their religious beliefs, including Bibles and rosaries, to help them deal with the horrific things happening to them. It is in effect a form of mind control(abuse) by those doing the oppressive acts. Keep in mind, this is the United States government doing this! We pay for this government, and by doing nothing we are supporting what is done in our name. I am totally disgusted with what this nation is becoming under the tRump administration, and with the apathy of the American people.

[Blue_true]

19. The problem is the news media.

It has completely abdicated it's responsibility to get to the truth and inform people. So many Americans go about their daily lives ignorant of what is happening.

[pazzyanne]

22. Heartsickening but true.

Much of our media is not doing their job to research and shed light on what is happening!

[Blue_true]

28. News has become a profit center, not what it was, an information channel for people. nt

[Maeve]

6. And the Snopes article

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/are-rosaries-taken-immigrants-border/

What's True

Immigration authorities confiscate personal belongings of immigrants when they are arrested.
What's False

Authorities do not specifically target rosaries, but the religious beads are among other belongings confiscated when immigrants are taken into custody.

[mainstreetonce]

7. That is horrible

As in the whole mess.

[Soph0571]

8. I am quite sure that the Nazi's didn't differentiate either

Wedding ring.... watches....etc et al

So your point is that they just don't take their beads? Scratching my head

[Honeycombe8]

41. And was this way in prior administrations, I think. nt

[csziggy]

9. US Border agents have been taking from immigrants for ages

Here is a photo spread of items taken - and thrown away - during President Obama's administration:

8 Photos Showing What Immigrants Lose At The Border
https://www.good.is/slideshows/issue-38-portraits-of-mass-dispossession-at-the-border

Here is the website of the photographer with even more photos: http://www.tomkiefer.com/

They are not only taking rosaries, they are taking Bibles, toiletries, medications, and more.

[pazzyanne]

14. Simply disgusting and it doesn't matter what administration is doing this.

[csziggy]

23. Correct - as the article about the photographer said, Border Patrol is just throwing these things

Away - at least most of it. I can't imagine that every single valuable goes in the trash. I'd bet some ends up in the border patrol agents' pockets.

I will not argue against checking for items that could be contraband - but Bibles and rosaries? Wallets and purses - with documents the people will need to establish their identities?

These are people with only what they can carry - next to nothing - and even that is being taken away.

[pazzyanne]

24. .

[Honeycombe8]

11. You have a cite for that? A link to where this came from? It may or may not be true. Verify. nt

[Soph0571]

17. Here. And commanding verification.... heh

An image of rosaries taken from migrants at the US-Mexico border has become one of the symbols of the crisis there.

This photograph, showing a collection of rosaries taken from migrants trying to enter the US, has been going viral on social media since the crisis at the border became the number one political issue in America.

It shows 43 strings of sacred beads, classified as non-essential by US border agents and thrown into the trash, along with scraps of food and other refuse from a US Customs and Border Patrol processing center in Why, Arizona.

[link:https://www.insider.com/story-behind-viral-photo-of-rosaries-taken-from-migrants-at-us-border-2018-6|

Visual taken from here

]https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/photos/a.347907068635687/2838830362876666/?type=3&theater

But you are right. We should give the the nasty the benefit of the doubt

[Ms. Toad]

36. Anhy reason you omitted this fact:

They were removed between 2007 and 2014, during the Bush and Obama administrations.

The recitation is misleading in other ways, as well.

When immigrants are taken into custody, personal items (including rosaries, wallets, toothpaste, etc.) are seized. They are held for 30 days. The reason these were thrown in the trash is because they were not retrieved within the 30 days because most of the people taken into custody were not released within the 30 days and had no one else available to pick up personal belongings.

We absolutely shoull not be treating immigrants this way - but we also need to be careful not to use Obama-era (and Bush-era) atrocities to prove how nasty Trump is.

[pazzyanne]

51. WOW!

Just wow!

[Tommy_Carcetti]

12. Any confirmation that this actually happened?

I mean if it did, it’s horrific.

But we need a lot more to go on than simply a graphic from Occupy Democrats.

[Soph0571]

18. Look up to my comment right above

[stopdiggin]

40. image, and actions, are years old

"The image was actually taken years before, by Tom Kiefer, who used to be a janitor at a US Customs and Border Patrol facility."
Meaning Obama era and possibly even earlier. Is it heart-wrenching? Yes. Is it new (or news)? No.

[pazzyanne]

20. Posted below are a few of the sites addressing the holocaust confiscations.

https://www.truthorfiction.com/is-this-a-photograph-of-wedding-bands-removed-by-nazis-in-concentration-camps/

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/remembering-holocaust-gallery-1.2957412?pmSlide=1.2957409

https://allthatsinteresting.com/holocaust-photos

May of the above posts document the confiscations at the US southern border.

This makes me want to

[sl8]

21. "A photo of rosaries taken from migrants at the US border became a viral symbol ..."

From https://www.insider.com/story-behind-viral-photo-of-rosaries-taken-from-migrants-at-us-border-2018-6

A photo of rosaries taken from migrants at the US border became a viral symbol — and the artist who took it hopes it can change things

Kieran Corcoran Jun. 27, 2018, 3:29 AM
Rosaries El Sueno


A collection of rosaries taken from detainees at the US-Mexico border. Tom Kiefer

• A picture of 43 rosaries taken from migrants trying to get into the US in Ajo, Arizona, went viral in the past week as the crisis at the US border intensified.

• The image was actually taken years before, by Tom Kiefer, who used to be a janitor at a US Customs and Border Patrol facility.

• Nonetheless, it became a symbol of what many see as the inhumanity with which migrants are treated at the border.

• The policies under which the rosaries are taken are still in effect today.

[...]

[Takket]

38. I know what evangelicals would say

“Fake news”!

[riversedge]

26. vote the crook OUT

[Ms. Toad]

37. You mean Obama?

These rosaries were taken during the Obama and Bush presidencies.

[pazzyanne]

49. Personally I don't care who took rosaries, soap, tooth paste, etc away from asylum seekers.

IT IS WRONG NO MATTER WHO DOES IT!

[Ms. Toad]

65. Absolutely - But when something it is so easy to estabslish that Obama and Bush did

is used to imply that Trump is evil, we're no better than Mr. Fake news himself.

Our immigration policies have veen vile for years - even under friendly administrations.

[pazzyanne]

66. Guess that means we need to push for immigration reform ASAP!

I've thought this for a long time. I also support establishing a path to citizenship for Dreamers ASAP as well.

[Ms. Toad]

67. Agreed. N/t

[pazzyanne]

50. And while we are at it, lets give cots and real blankets to asylum seekers!

[mcar]

27. ...

[calimary]

45. I just turned to my husband after this DOJ Woman was shown being grilled

by the 9th Circuit, regarding children in custody at the border being neglected, poorly housed, sleeping on concrete floors, in the middle st deplorable conditions, denied their most simple basic needs (like toothbrushes and soap). And I said - gee, sure sounds like a concentration camp to me.

Hey, where’s the torture, ‘eh? Isn’t that about all that’s missing?

Oh, excuse me. Little kids alone, taken away from their parents... torture? Check.

Hey, America, THIS is ALL being done in YOUR name! AND with YOUR money! There’s YOUR tax dollars at work! YOU’RE paying for this!

Yep. We’re all paying for it, alright. We’re gonna be paying for this abomination in all the history books from this day forward, for all time.

Make America Great Again. Uh-huh.

[crazytown]

47. BEWARE: 2007-14 W/Obama eras

“They (The rosaries) were removed between 2007 and 2014, during the Bush and Obama administrations”
https://www.insider.com/story-behind-viral-photo-of-rosaries-taken-from-migrants-at-us-border-2018-6

[Achilleaze]

48. Why do republicans hate the teachings of Christ?

[FiveGoodMen]

63. Because they're Christians

(counter-intuitive, I know, but that's what I've observed)

[demmiblue]

52. What garbage at a US Border Patrol facility reveals about the migrant journey

PRI's The World
October 09, 2015 · 1:00 PM EDT
By Monica Campbell

Tom Kiefer worked as a janitor and groundskeeper at the US Customs and Border Protection processing facility in Ajo, Arizona.

It’s about 40 miles from the US-Mexico border and it’s where migrants detained by agents at the border await their next step in their either successful or failed journey to the United States. Many will face deportation back home, mostly to Mexico or parts of Central America.

It was sometime in the fourth year when Kiefer, a photographer, started noticing — and photographing — trends among the items tossed into the trash at the holding facility. Like being processed at jail, migrants are stripped of their personal belongings.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-10-09/what-garbage-us-border-patrol-facility-reveals-about-migrant-journey

[Opel_Justwax]

53. Oh brother. They take anything that can be used as a weapon and anything of value due to robbery

This comparing ICE holding to Nazi concentration camps is disgusting and over the top. Everyone held
by ICE has due process rights. 90% of them are released until their next administrative hearing.

[FiveGoodMen]

64. In deference to the rules, I'll just say this

(it definitely has nothing to do with a poster coming out of nowhere and telling us all how stupid we are and that the pukes aren't really that bad ... honest)

[Still In Wisconsin]

54. Disgusting. n/t

[sarisataka]

55. So the Obama administration were Nazis?

Or did you miss the fact that the photos were taken years ago?

It was only a few months ago the exact meme was posted here, generating the same outrage and making the same mistake that they were recent photos

[LAS14]

56. Wo!!! And I thought there was nothing left to surprise me.

Why the hell do they take their belongings????? Isn't that theft??????

From Snopes.com (see post close to top) "What's True

Immigration authorities confiscate personal belongings of immigrants when they are arrested. "

[orangecrush]

57. Deliver us from evil

and grant us peace in our day.

[sl8]

58. Bad meme. Bad.

They're comparing the box of Buchenwald rings with rosaries taken from would-be immigrants by the U.S. Border Patrol and equating the two.

The thing is, people aren't moved by the Buchenwald rings because it shows that the Nazis stole jewelry,. They're moved because each ring represents a dead Jew, or a dead Jewish family. People hate Nazis for any number of reasons, but stealing jewelry isn't anywhere near the top of the list. The murder of millions of innocent people is.

Look, stealing someone's jewelry is a really shitty thing to do, but it's not the Holocaust.

I think that whoever created this meme, by using the picture of the box of rings, insults the memory of every victim killed at Buchenwald.

[procon]

59. It's the soul crushing cruelty that titallates

Trump's sick, demented treatment of these poor captive people.

[maxsolomon]

60. It would make sense if it can be used as a ligature.

standard practice for detention, probably.

[Kid Berwyn]

61. Making war on innocent nations like Iraq is NAZI.

So is making war on innocent people like the refugees from Central America (the “Northern Triangle” some GOP turd said on the tv) NAZI.

And the US-NAZI alliance goes back to the days after World War 2.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1301306.stm

[Amyishere]

62. They give a two year old child to older children to care for

and give them no diapers for the child, give them frozen food, cram them all together in "freezers", and wake them up from where they sleep on the cold concrete every two hours for a "head check".

That's not hyperbole or from Obama's presidency. This is going on right now and was on CNN news today.

take your "hyperbole" and stick it where the sun don't shine.

[orangecrush]

68. +1