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The Trump admin argued in court that the government is not required to give soap or toothbrushes to children apprehended at the border and can have them sleep on concrete floors in frigid, overcrowded cells, Courthouse News reports.
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All three judges appeared incredulous during the hearing in San Francisco, in which the Trump administration challenged previous legal findings that it is violating a landmark class action settlement by mistreating undocumented immigrant children at U.S. detention facilities.
Youre really going to stand up and tell us that being able to sleep isnt a question of safe and sanitary conditions?' U.S. Circuit Judge Marsha Berzon asked the Justice Departments Sarah Fabian Tuesday.
U.S. Circuit Judge William Fletcher also questioned the governments interpretation of the settlement agreement.
Are you arguing seriously that you do not read the agreement as requiring you to do anything other than what I just described: cold all night long, lights on all night long, sleeping on concrete and youve got an aluminum foil blanket? Fletcher asked Fabian. I find that inconceivable that the government would say that that is safe and sanitary.
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Docreed2003
(16,863 posts)What kind of heartless message are we sending to the world that OUR government would say crap like this in court? SMDH.
TEB
(12,860 posts)This shit kids in cages suffering fuck man it tears me up
Docreed2003
(16,863 posts)So infuriating
malaise
(269,054 posts)Fuck these monsters
Docreed2003
(16,863 posts)Treat any "other" as subhuman "animals"
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)And thank god for that court transcript/report..it will become Exhibit # whatever when we start the trials.
this is heartbreaking.
malaise
(269,054 posts)Good effin' grief..
Hope they can handle it when Americans get the same treatment overseas
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)It's not just the conditions imposed; it's also the separation of children with the resulting emotional, mental harm to them and their families.
These evil bastards need to be prosecuted.
DemocracyMouse
(2,275 posts)Time to change our country at its core, not just in its figureheads.
sop
(10,193 posts)Done to be as cruel and punitive as possible, just to satisfy Trump's knuckledragging mouth breathers.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Evangelists RW "Christians" are fake motherf**kers
vlyons
(10,252 posts)of the morally degenerate Trump administration. They put on their finest Sunday clothes to be seen sitting in the front pews of their prosperity Christian churches to be told that they, and only they, are going to heaven, because they belong to the one true church. Where the Parable of the Good Samaritan and the Beatitudes are never preached. Where they never hear how Jesus drove the money changers from the temple. Where "suffer the little children to come unto me" is never mentioned.
Arkansas Granny
(31,518 posts)of these detention facilities to concentration camps.
malaise
(269,054 posts)asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)His feigned outrage over AOC calling these camps what they are..concentration camps....I use "feigned" because I honestly think his rant was purely political, swiping at AOC...
The families only want to protect their children from a very dangerous situation in their own country...they are desperate and hungry and tired.. and now facing more evil..
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,005 posts)Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)And LLBean sleeping bags and cots.
If it were made profitable for them, they would supply them. (More lip curling)
Really, who ARE these men who have the soulless repugnance to stand in court and support this vomitus inhumanity? WHO the Godless Hell are they????
orangecrush
(19,572 posts)We know exactly who they are.
The hate that we thought we quenched in WW2.
spanone
(135,844 posts)Timmygoat
(779 posts)Who is not a faux christian?
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)starting with the more than $200k in bribes he has received from MF45. Every day there is more to despise.
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)Hillary calling them "deplorables" was being kind. We are finding they are so much worse. It is pure Evil being released in our country and, sadly, in our name. And yet 30% to 40% of our population supports this. May karma visit them x1000!
yardwork
(61,650 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)of the Trump Administration.
eShirl
(18,494 posts)ashredux
(2,606 posts)Are we doomed to repeat recent history? Our treatment of CHILDREN will be a Stain on our country forever. This MUST STOP
Tanuki
(14,918 posts)what they're doing to rectify this.
From the link:
"Today we have a situation where once a month a child is dying in [federal] custody, he added. Certainly the Border Patrol facilities are secure, but theyre not safe and theyre not sanitary.
safeinOhio
(32,688 posts)Can we take him to court on dat?
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)I give toothbrushes and tooth paste to the homeless
El Mimbreno
(777 posts)of whether the law requires basic needs, humanity demands it. Oh, that's right; the trump administration isn't human.
SunSeeker
(51,571 posts)Vegas Roller
(704 posts)there would be Nuremberg like trials of the whole Trump cabal.
It will be embarrassing to America but also serve as a thorough cleansing.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)........
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)Blues Heron
(5,938 posts)"ICE - not as bad as the Nazis, so STFU"
Johnny2X2X
(19,066 posts)Children in cages sleeping on concrete floors with no soap or tooth brushes. This is pure evil and we need to stop it right now!
Wounded Bear
(58,668 posts)Initech
(100,080 posts)Fuck these Nazi pieces of shit in this administration. How are they not concentration camps exactly?
PatrickforO
(14,577 posts)The monsters must be held accountable for their crimes against humanity.
Mr. Evil
(2,845 posts)In republican bizarro world it's o.k. for them to be concentration camps. We just aren't supposed to CALL them concentration camps. Sadistic tendencies seems to be prevalent in anyone identifying themselves as a republican.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,489 posts)Here's the argument (at around 25:00). The Justice Department is arguing that a consent decree requiring the gov't to provide "safe and sanitary" conditions for detained minors doesn't mean they need to be able to sleep or wash.
Judge Berzon: "Really?"
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Shrike47
(6,913 posts)leanforward
(1,076 posts)When will someone show up and start moving the kids to family/care givers?
No children in concentration camps. Makes you want to commit those that argue to adjacent facilities for lawyers/perpetrators.
MurrayDelph
(5,299 posts)when I called them Trump's Kiddie Koncentration Kamps.
Bayard
(22,099 posts)Receive soap and toothbrushes, including those on death row. They have cots, they have blankets.
We can't do the same for children who have committed no crime?
meow2u3
(24,764 posts)They treat convicts better than asylum seekers! They're stereotyping Central American refugees as gang members as if they all were.
The Trump regime, especially Stephen Miller, needs to be dragged to the Hague on charges of genocide and crimes against humanity. We might not be signatories to the ICC, but we are signatories to the Geneva Convention.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Good for this rabbi for speaking up.
Shame on anyone who thinks this treatment is in any way acceptable.
Raven
(13,893 posts)Federal Judge Frank Johnson ruled that that patients of Alabama's institutions for the retarded and mentally ill were entitled to humane care. He ordered a long list of standards which included soap, tooth brushes and paste and bathroom facilities other than tin buckets. I would guess that those judges in California might be looking at that landmark case.
SWBTATTReg
(22,133 posts)One day we'll have control of the government again, won by hard working, decent Americans called the democratic party and their friends. These people running these 'concentration camps' in such foul and unsanitary conditions should be hunted down (and their leaders who advocated such conditions) arrested and put in front of a condition and made to atone for these ridiculous and horrendous things. Justice will prevail. The Statue of Liberty will be proud again. Immigrants will be welcomed again w/ open arms, after all, America is an immigrant nation.
gordianot
(15,238 posts)Concentration camps as we understand the term today is appropriate. This treatment makes our country criminal using our tax money. As long as this transpires we are all participants in crime. Why is news media not clamoring to report what is being done in our name?
tblue37
(65,403 posts)dlk
(11,569 posts)Every day, they take hypocrisy to new levels. Their bitter hatred is without limit.
OMGWTF
(3,959 posts)angrychair
(8,700 posts)We provide significant portions of the UN budget and are on the permanent security council and the HQ is in NY.
There has been many times in the past where the any UN criticism of US policy or actions has been met with US threats to revoke funding and/or we veto it as a member of security council.
We are not bound by the international criminal courts nor UN monitoring.
We have made ourselves immune to any official body that reviews or sanctions behavior of bad actors.
ooky
(8,924 posts)The hell with doing what is right and proper. God I hate this man.
badhair77
(4,218 posts)louis-t
(23,295 posts)EleanorR
(2,393 posts)Grins
(7,218 posts)was right in her comment. We do not know what atrocities are being done to children and parents behind these walls. Not giving toothbrushes for hygiene care, or letting grown men not to take baths or give them clean clothes. This smells of Stephen Miller his name is on this.
They are treating these people like animals, who's to say are we next with this sick sick delusional bastard tRump.
crazytown
(7,277 posts)LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)you have to. You provide those essentials, along with a comfortable place to sleep,because it's the right, humane, and just thing to do. Our government at this point is on par with any oppressive regime. Hangs head in shame.
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)Summer is here. Temps will soar, and that will kill people. Period.
Hurricanes may well blow into Homestead, Florida, where, I've read, there is no evacuation plan for the children there.
Open the goddamn doors, you sadistic motherfuckers
Skittles
(153,169 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)as a matter of course.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)I received a new toothbrush yesterday at the dentist. Maybe the USPS should deluge the camps with toiletries. Or someone could use drones to drop care packages.
coeur_de_lion
(3,680 posts)would have paid for fucking soap.
Assholes.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Lice shampoo is expensive, and you have to pick out the nits.
There is more humiliation coming.
llmart
(15,540 posts)Will it be on Good Morning America or the Today Show? Please let me know when that happens.
How many people in our country even know about this? Where are the photographs? Oh, that's right. They won't let outsiders in to see what's going on so there'll be no photographs.
Where is/are the patriots who will devise a scheme to get into these concentration camps and take the photos?
I can't even begin to tell you how sickening this is to me. Children. Well, I don't know why I'm surprised because even after the horrid images from Sandy Hook we can't even bolster enough support to deal with the epidemic of gun violence.
I'm honestly glad I'm in the last years of my life. I can't take much more of this.
lady lib
(2,933 posts)nt
karin_sj
(810 posts)I am at a loss for words at their cruelty and inhumanity towards human beings in general, and when you think that these are CHILDREN they're talking about, it's just unbelievable. It's incomprehensible that anyone could be so evil, and so clueless to think that they should be able to get away with this. They really think that a judge with any kind of decency would go along with this? It makes me sick.
saljr1
(273 posts)what assholes
C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)Jesus will kick their sorry asses for harming innocents.
orangecrush
(19,572 posts)Thank you and Godspeed, AOC!
fierywoman
(7,686 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Cha
(297,309 posts)what evil asshole they are.
Turbineguy
(37,343 posts)this lady would make this argument. Is she a trump appointee? How can you be smart enough to get a law degree and yet make such a stupid and evil argument?
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)I could never ever stand and do what this attorney did in arguing what she was and why....
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)In strong competition with W's bunch of neocons......
C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)And thrown away for their crimes against humanity. This is sick.