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Chuck Todd (Original Post) Miles Archer Jun 2019 OP
Miles, I have no idea saidsimplesimon Jun 2019 #1
I work on the laptop most of the day and keep MSNBC on for background noise... Miles Archer Jun 2019 #2
Same here, I'm always on watch. saidsimplesimon Jun 2019 #5
You have no idea? malaise Jun 2019 #41
Tim Russert would be taking a flamethrower to the whole Trump crowd every Sunday sop Jun 2019 #3
The same Russert who aided and abetted Chreney? Doubt it tishaLA Jun 2019 #19
Thread winner malaise Jun 2019 #42
Surely you jest. Russert was just as bad as Tuck Choad. Dave Starsky Jun 2019 #43
Russert was despised by Republicans and Democrats for his extremely aggressive interviewing sop Jun 2019 #44
He was "extremely aggressive" in the same way... Dave Starsky Jun 2019 #45
That would be your opinion, but it's not a widely held opinion by most fair-minded people sop Jun 2019 #46
The distinguished Meet the Press is dead. As long as Hortensis Jun 2019 #4
That's why I didn't comment on it until he hit the negative trending on Twitter... Miles Archer Jun 2019 #6
:) Yes. I believe MSNBC's management is committed to electing Hortensis Jun 2019 #11
I don't believe she said kacekwl Jun 2019 #7
Those are the only type of "concentration camps". former9thward Jun 2019 #8
Bullshit... Wounded Bear Jun 2019 #9
Nope. In fact Japanese-Americans in SoCal routinely call "internment camps" tishaLA Jun 2019 #18
This is false on its face, Japanese were put on concentration camp in the US uponit7771 Jun 2019 #30
I don't dumb history down. former9thward Jun 2019 #37
Link to definition of concentration camp inside uponit7771 Jun 2019 #38
That's right, she didn't. Miles Archer Jun 2019 #10
Chuck Todd went into "outrage mode" a few days ago about something offensive Trump said sop Jun 2019 #20
faux outrage stopdiggin Jun 2019 #35
Fuck Todd spanone Jun 2019 #12
Come mierda todd..[eat shit, fuck you--depending on circumstance and the latter never in front of RestoreAmerica2020 Jun 2019 #28
no... myohmy2 Jun 2019 #29
Chuck Todd needs to be removed from the debate moderator panel EveHammond13 Jun 2019 #13
The fact he's on it makes me question whether I'll watch it lunatica Jun 2019 #33
Back in the 60's we called a guy like Toad a Smack. rickford66 Jun 2019 #14
The worst part of Chuck's comments tishaLA Jun 2019 #15
Not only is he a terrible journalist and television personality, smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #16
Tiger58 Tiger58 Jun 2019 #17
Hell-Of-A-Do, Chuckster! Looking good, that I can tell you. Believe me. Big League. czarjak Jun 2019 #22
HOW did Chuck Todd ever get this job? raging moderate Jun 2019 #21
He lobbied aggressively for it, when it was clear David Gregory wasn't going to survive Miles Archer Jun 2019 #23
IIRC Russert liked him a lot tishaLA Jun 2019 #24
Never a fan Jarqui Jun 2019 #25
His "comb forward" v Trumpy's combover in a cage match on ppv n/t hibbing Jun 2019 #26
He is also political director for NBC news Sucha NastyWoman Jun 2019 #27
Or has pics of somebody in a compromising situation :-D TheBlackAdder Jun 2019 #32
he knows politics stopdiggin Jun 2019 #36
What's with todd's sing-song voice lately? I wish he'd stop it. shraby Jun 2019 #31
You won't miss him at all if you stop watching him lunatica Jun 2019 #34
I don't listen to him except when I don't change the channel quick enough. shraby Jun 2019 #40
Ignorance is the measure for success in modern journalism. Kid Berwyn Jun 2019 #39

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
2. I work on the laptop most of the day and keep MSNBC on for background noise...
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 10:10 PM
Jun 2019

...so I never really "watch" Todd. But I had his show on today.

He's been peppering a lot of his Trump commentary in recent days with things like "That said, you have to give him credit for..."

Well, no, Chuck, we don't.

I heard his AOC rant today and wasn't surprised to see that he was at the top of Twitter's "trending" with most comments similar to the one in my OP.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that Chuck probably won't be one of the most popular stars in the MSNBC lineup between now and November 2020. He's starting to remind me of Hugh Hewitt, and we know how things turned out for him on the network.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
5. Same here, I'm always on watch.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 10:20 PM
Jun 2019

I agree with the "Hugh Hewitt" comparison. Ratings and keeping his "stature" in the industry seems to emboldened Mr. Todd to express his independent opinion. Put me in the "not a fan" column.

sop

(10,193 posts)
3. Tim Russert would be taking a flamethrower to the whole Trump crowd every Sunday
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 10:16 PM
Jun 2019

I've had it with Chuck Todd's pusilanimous interviewing style. He doesn't challenge people when they lie, he seldom asks follow-up questions and appears uninformed most of the time. I'm sick of his constant eye-rolling, helplessly looking up at the sky whenever he gets confused, and the endless, meandering questions that never seem to get to the heart of the matter.

Todd wouldn't cut it on a local, small-market tv station, much less on Meet the Fucking Press. David Gregory was a rightwing stooge, but Chuck Todd is just a stooge. We need someone like Tim Russert at this point in history.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
19. The same Russert who aided and abetted Chreney? Doubt it
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 11:26 PM
Jun 2019

Russert loved and prized proximity to power more than anything

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
43. Surely you jest. Russert was just as bad as Tuck Choad.
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 11:40 AM
Jun 2019

Tim Russert, in fact, provided the very standard that Choad operates from. Oh, sure, he asked a "tough question" every now and then, but he never even once pressed or challenged his Republican guests on any of their patently false lies or ridiculous, non-sequitur responses. We got to watch Tim gargle Dick Cheney's balls all the way to the Iraq war and beyond. And now Choad does the very same thing with Trump and his ilk.

sop

(10,193 posts)
44. Russert was despised by Republicans and Democrats for his extremely aggressive interviewing
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 01:53 PM
Jun 2019

Surely you jest. Anyone who writes "he never even once pressed or challenged his Republican guests on any of their patently false lies or ridiculous, non-sequitur responses" and "watch Tim gargle Dick Cheney's balls" obviously never watched him. Russert's style is (was) the polar opposite of Todd's. That was the whole point, and you missed it.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
45. He was "extremely aggressive" in the same way...
Sat Jun 22, 2019, 09:08 PM
Jun 2019

That the Washington Generals play an "extremely aggressive" game of basketball against the Harlem Globetrotters.

He was never "extremely aggressive" when the occasion, or the guest, called for it.

sop

(10,193 posts)
46. That would be your opinion, but it's not a widely held opinion by most fair-minded people
Sun Jun 23, 2019, 11:10 AM
Jun 2019

As always, there are those who interpret everyone's motives in the media through their own far left prism.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. The distinguished Meet the Press is dead. As long as
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 10:18 PM
Jun 2019

Todd is spinning it for Republicans 6 (or 7?) days a week, it's RW propaganda.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
6. That's why I didn't comment on it until he hit the negative trending on Twitter...
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 10:33 PM
Jun 2019

...because if I had simply posted the video of that AOC segment, it would have come across as "right wing talking points."

It really was saturated with Hannity-level drama and "self-righteous indignation."

And maybe that's MSNBC's goal. They keep trying to cozy up to a right winger who will be "palatable" to their audience, even though that audience asserts over and over that they're not interested. They keep confusing "controversy" with "ratings."

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. :) Yes. I believe MSNBC's management is committed to electing
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 11:07 PM
Jun 2019

Republicans, while at the same time positioning itself in the market as overall neutral/left leaning. All you have to do is follow what you know to be a lie through its iterations in a day's programs to see the approved memes being pushed on each show. Daytime TV with its inexpensive talking heads eager to become regulars and more is easily the worst. Their goal is disaffection, and Todd is at that constantly with his false equivalencies between what the Republicans have become and Democrats.

Might as well vote Republican, no big difference.

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
8. Those are the only type of "concentration camps".
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 10:48 PM
Jun 2019

That is the historical definition of the term and is what Americans think of. She owns the statement.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
9. Bullshit...
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 10:53 PM
Jun 2019

they may be the most well known, but the term applies to any gathering place where 'undesirables' are collected for punishment. You don't need gas chambers to be concentration camps.

Perhaps we shouldn't be letting airheads like Chuck Todd argue semantics instead of discussing what it actually happening.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
18. Nope. In fact Japanese-Americans in SoCal routinely call "internment camps"
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 11:24 PM
Jun 2019

"concentration camps," as did Chief Justice Roberts in tRump v. Hawaii when referring to the Korematsu decision: "The forcible relocation of U. S. citizens to concentration camps, solely and explicitly on the basis of race, is objectively unlawful and outside the scope of Presidential authority."

Heck, I even remember, soon after I loved to Los Angeles, seeing a sports reporter refer to them as concentration camps.

former9thward

(32,025 posts)
37. I don't dumb history down.
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 08:26 AM
Jun 2019

Are you saying the Japanese-Americans went through the same horrors as those in Nazi camps? If you are you don't know history.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
38. Link to definition of concentration camp inside
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 08:31 AM
Jun 2019
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212204428

Faller dichotomy to intimate that anyone who didn't go through a Nazi concentration camp isn't in a concentration camp

That's not true

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
10. That's right, she didn't.
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 11:00 PM
Jun 2019

Lawrence O'Donnell final segment tonight is "America's History with Concentration Camps." He's discussing George Takei's upcoming book on the subject, and shared his tweet about how the Japanese internment camps were, in fact, "concentration camps."

ON EDIT: She replied to Todd.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC

Well, @chucktodd - the fact that you slipped in “Nazi” when I never said that is pretty unfortunate.

Almost as unfortunate as the fact that you spent this whole time w/o discussing DHS freezers, “dog pounds,” missing children, & human rights abuses that uphold use of this term.



sop

(10,193 posts)
20. Chuck Todd went into "outrage mode" a few days ago about something offensive Trump said
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 11:29 PM
Jun 2019

I can't recall what Trump said that caused Todd to go off on him; he says and tweets so many shitty things on a daily basis that one forgets.

Being a card-carrying "both sides always do it" corporate media hack, I guess Chuck had to go after someone on the left, to balance things out a bit. And who better to go after than the right's favorite punching bag these days, AOC?

stopdiggin

(11,316 posts)
35. faux outrage
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 04:00 AM
Jun 2019

Thank you for putting it in a nutshell. The "contrived outrage" or "faux outrage mode" would nail it down even better. Todd doesn't have a great deal of personality (a liability in the current era of the View, etc.) .. and thus contrived efforts to "whip up" a bit of fervor. Makes him look like a gosh darn regular guy. Too bad .. on the concentration camp issue .. Todd actually knows better.

RestoreAmerica2020

(3,435 posts)
28. Come mierda todd..[eat shit, fuck you--depending on circumstance and the latter never in front of
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:40 AM
Jun 2019

...abuela--never..grandpa yes, grandmother no]

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
33. The fact he's on it makes me question whether I'll watch it
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 03:25 AM
Jun 2019

I wish someone would take him aside and verbally give him another ass hole and then fire him. I refuse to watch him anymore.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
15. The worst part of Chuck's comments
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 11:20 PM
Jun 2019

he began his comments by acknowledging that Rep Ocasio-Cortez makes "a distinction between concentration camps and Nazi death camps," and not 30 seconds later says that she has to be “careful comparing them to Nazi concentration camps because they’re not at all comparable in the slightest.”

In other words, in the space of a paragraph, he admits that what he's about to say is erroneous and then says it anyhow. And this is why Mr Todd is awful and why, last time I checked twitter, he was the #1 trending topic in LA with people calling him out for his hackishness and disingenuousness.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
16. Not only is he a terrible journalist and television personality,
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 11:21 PM
Jun 2019

but - and I'm sorry, I know this is petty - he is an eyesore. Doesn't he even have a stylist? With that pathetic little Lloyd Christmas hair cut and that pubic hair goatee, he is just a mess. If they are going to continue to have him on, can't someone at least send him to the damn makeover department?

raging moderate

(4,305 posts)
21. HOW did Chuck Todd ever get this job?
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 11:33 PM
Jun 2019

Is it true that he never even finished the coursework for his BA? Who decided that he was remotely qualified for this position? He seems so ignorant.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
23. He lobbied aggressively for it, when it was clear David Gregory wasn't going to survive
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 11:43 PM
Jun 2019

I read an article on this around the time that it happened, but the take-away is largely that he remained the squeaky wheel until he got his grease.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
24. IIRC Russert liked him a lot
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 11:46 PM
Jun 2019

And by virtue of that, and sticking up to Brokaw and the others who mattered in the old boys network, he got the keys to the car after NBC had enough of David Gregory

Jarqui

(10,126 posts)
25. Never a fan
Wed Jun 19, 2019, 11:46 PM
Jun 2019

Big let down from Tim Russert
Todd could work at the job 100 years and never come close to being decent.
Like Trump, he's not as smart as he thinks he is.

stopdiggin

(11,316 posts)
36. he knows politics
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 04:19 AM
Jun 2019

Todd does know his politics. It's just that he has this deplorable failing of playing "both-siderism." Even when the facts clearly do not warrant. He seems not to be able to help himself, even when it reveals him to be a myopic nincompoop. On the other hand, perhaps "both sides do it" puts him in good stead with the corporate media types?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
34. You won't miss him at all if you stop watching him
Thu Jun 20, 2019, 03:30 AM
Jun 2019

Plus you’ll save yourself an hour of getting pissed off. I speak from experience.

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