Thank you AOC

[malaise]

You have exposed these racist scumbags with their concentration camps.
Keep it up sis!!! It's being discussed.

[Dunnjen]

1. Auschwitz Memorial response...

They clarified, or is that the way I took it, that what was a work/concentration camp became, also too, an extinction camp. A dual purpose that came from the same bitter root. That's why we sound the alarm. They aren't processing for direct murder YET. Rounding them up and concentrating them in detention camps is not defensible. It only raises the risk of the next step.

[lunatica]

20. We're sounding the alarm of a possibility which is growing

because what other possible reason does Trump have to put Mexicans in fenced in camps? It has to be stopped. He has to be stopped because he has no plan about what to do after he puts them in camps.

[clementine613]

2. Considering the fact that they are killing immigrants in these camps indiscriminately,

I'd say that concentration camp is a valid description.

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

3. This response is the very reason Cortez is wrong.

[saidsimplesimon]

14. Not wrong by definition.

Nor is Ms. Cortez the "one we have been waiting for."

[tblue37]

44. Her name is Ocasio-Cortez. Spanish language naming puts the patrinomial first, the

matrinomial second. Thus, her father's last name was Ocasio, her mother's Cortez.

[Gore1FL]

9. I'm not sure if "indiscriminately" is the right word in the case... nt

[George II]

12. +1,000,000

[tonedevil]

36. I'd say it is the absolutely correct word...

From Dictionary Dot Com:
1) not discriminating; lacking in care, judgment, selectivity, etc.:
indiscriminate in one's friendships.

2) not discriminate; haphazard; thoughtless:
indiscriminate slaughter.

3) not kept apart or divided; thrown together; jumbled:
an indiscriminate combination of colors and styles.

[Gore1FL]

37. They most certainly used discrimination to choose who went in the camp.

There was judgement, selectivity. There certainly isn't a " indiscriminate combination of colors" when it comes to who is having this happen to them.

This is pretty discriminant.

[tonedevil]

38. Very true...

it is definitely discrimination that puts them there. Then they are indiscriminately malevolently neglected to death.

[Gore1FL]

39. Therein is the agreement in semantics we were looking for!

[tonedevil]

41. Thank you...

[corbettkroehler]

4. DHS IG Reported On Obscenely Inhumane Conditions (link)

https://www.oig.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/assets/Mga/2019/oig-19-46-may19-mgmtalert.pdf

By the way, George Takei spent time in two of these camps and concurs with AOC.

Link to tweet

[malaise]

5. Thanks

[AlexSFCA]

29. I trust those who actually spent time in concentration camps

like Takei unlike most historians. We are not (yet) saying those are death camps or extermination camps. They are concentration camps aka internment camps.

[corbettkroehler]

31. Well Said, Friend, Well Said! (n/t)

[bdamomma]

6. ACLU

is working on this.

[spanone]

7. K&R...

[zentrum]

8. She's the real deal.

Hope to see her in the WH someday.

[sop]

26. The GOP seems to agree with you

Like Hillary before her, Republicans and corporate media are preemptively defining and trashing AOC before the public has a chance to form an accurate impression of her. It will only get more vicious as her popularity increases among younger progressives, and her positions become more mainstream in the increasingly populist Democratic party.

I remember when Hillary first became a threat to the GOP, when she took on the health care issue during her husband's first term. She was attacked in every way possible, accused of being a "communist," a '60s anti-war hippie and worse. Suspiciously, by 2016 Hillary was being defined - no doubt by Republican operatives posing as "true progressives" concern trolling from the left - as a tool of Wall Street and a bloodthirsty war-monger. I anticipate the same will happen with AOC.

[AlexSFCA]

30. AOC is much more direct with voters than Hillary was

So I don’t think she’ll have the same fate. She is way more aggressive and doesn’t care about being PC. She will always connect well with working class as she worked as a waitress before and comes from lower economic class, not middle class.

[zentrum]

33. Agreed.

Not like Hillary at all beyond gender.

HRC was always a neo-liberal. AOC is a real candidate for ordinary people.

[sop]

45. No one was calling Hillary a "neo-liberal" when Bill was first elected president

When she first tried to get "Hillarycare" through Congress, the $20M year-long "Harry and Louise" ad campaign, sponsored by the health insurance companies, attacked her plan as "socialism." Gingrich and the GOP used criticism of Hillarycare to win a House majority that year. Hillary's Wellesley thesis on Saul Alinsky was even dredged up and viciously attacked by the GOP, her political opponents said it contained clear evidence that Rodham held strong "far-left or socialist views."

Hillary clearly evolved over the years from a left-leaning idealist to the "neo-liberal" she is today. I suspect Ocasio-Cortez will also have to evolve if she wants to actually accomplish anything worthwhile in Congress. Let's see how AOC's supporters feel when she is forced to make compromises to enact any legislation in the current political environment. I really admire Ocasio-Cortez and her political views, but let's not rewrite Hillary's history.

[zentrum]

46. Actually, they

....were calling her and her husband Neo-liberal way back in their early days, the late 80's.

And as I understand it, she began as a Goldwater Republican and he was much more left. She pulled him right---until they met in the middle some where around the time Bill figured out how to get big corportae supporters for Democrats too.

[sop]

47. Hillary's detractors on the left call her "neo-liberal', those on the right call her a "socialist"

Last edited Fri Jun 21, 2019, 12:23 AM - Edit history (1)

I suppose it depends on which internet site one frequents. Hillary's been a villain for all seasons for both the left and right for over forty years. It's the political cross she bears.

These days Ocasio-Cortez is the right's favorite bête noire. In a few years, if she becomes an effective legislator and is (inevitably) forced to compromise, the far left will probably turn on her as well and brand her a "neo-liberal."

[zentrum]

48. Not at all referring to

....an analysis of HRC's neo-liberalism posted on the internet. It was from actual reading---you know---deeply reasoned books and essays.

It's a known fact that Lieberman, Gore, Clintons are and were proud Neo-Liberals of the Larry Summers kill-financial-regulation-kind.

Doubt very much that OAC will be a neo-liberal even if she has to compromise.

I'm done. There's no real understanding of the distinction between liberal and neo-liberal here, nor of the Democratic party before and after the Clintons.

[Kid Berwyn]

10. Children dying in cages.

And the GOP is angry at those who state the truth.

[AlexSFCA]

11. Should we wait until they start genocide so that we can call it concentration camps?

[Mariana]

19. No.

The first concentration camps in Nazi Germany opened in 1933. They were not used for genocide in the beginning, that came later. The extermination camps, the ones that were built for the express purpose of murdering large numbers of people, opened in the 1940's.

[SMC22307]

13. List of concentration and internment camps... depressing as hell.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concentration_and_internment_camps

AOC is absolutely right on this!

[Nuggets]

15. It was being discussed already

What has she done to help these people?


Here’s the work Dems are doing long before Ms Ocasio-Cortez decided to pretend she’s bringing a spotlight on the issue.


Sen. Jeff Merkley: Immigrant Child Detention Center Looked Like "A Dog Kennel"
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/06/06/sen_jeff_merkley_immigrant_detention_center_looked_like_a_dog_kennel.html



Democrats are trying to stop Trump from separating families at the border
Passing a bill to reunify families will be an uphill battle.
https://www.vox.com/2018/6/8/17429670/democrats-trump-family-separation-policy-border




The question is then, why do Sanders and now Ocasio-Cortez continue to bring up issues and pretend they are the ones calling attention to issues Democrats have not only brought to the fore front years ago but have done the actual work to make positive changes?

[lunatica]

21. Pretending?

What a strange post!

I think it’s about time people started raising their voices about this issue. The more the better. Or do you think no more attention needs to be brought to it?

[Nuggets]

27. Yes pretending to bring focus and pretending

current Dems aren’t doing anything to get the message out. It was Dems who brought this up in the first place long before Cortez decided to supposedly bring focus.

Thus the baloney title of this OP
“Thank you AOC

You have exposed these racist scumbags with their concentration camps. “



Also exaggerating conditions by purposely comparing detention centers today, calling them concentration camps she knew would be compared to Nazi death camps. When called on it by the Jewish community and others runs to the technical definition.
Which is divisive. Why?



Can anyone answer this question?
What has AOC done to help these people?


We’re well aware of the conditions. When is she going to write a bill to help them or coordinate efforts to get families back together?

[LanternWaste]

28. You do not support your allegation of pretense with objective evidence. Merely supposition.

Hence (as we need no evidence to make the allegation), I too think you yourself are simply pretending. And purposefully divisively, at that. At this point, I don't really need the answer to the question why, as it answers itself.

[Trumpocalypse]

34. One question

How many people were murdered in Nazi Death camps?

[bdamomma]

42. There should be

more reporting on this. Just sweeping it under the rug, all it would take is one whistleblower, to crack this right open.

Horrendous crimes against humanity are being committed in our name and on our soil. It happened in Germany it can happen here.

[lunatica]

43. Exactly! I wish they had this on the news every single day

instead of running around talking about what Trump just tweeted or threatened.

[PatrickforO]

16. AOC is an American treasure. FINALLY we have someone in there who not only

KNOWS what is going on but isn't afraid to put it out there because she doesn't care if she's reelected. That is SO SO SO refreshing!

I'll tell you this, she'll be getting regular donations from me because I want her to be reelected.

Just one person speaking truth to power can make a huge difference.

And...in this great new batch of Democratic House freshwomen, and freshmen, we have several of them. Add Warren and some others to that mix and we have a great bunch of people trying to take back this country and move us into sanity.

[Wounded Bear]

17. The only problem is the stupid M$M talking heads arguing the semantics of it...

and not discussing the facts about what is happening. You don't need actual gas chambers to be 'concentration camps.' They are called that because they are where the gov't collects and "concentrates" those they consider undesirable for punishment.

We've come to the place where RW assholes can say anything about anything and nobody cares. Let one Dem make a comment like this one, which is to a very large degree entirely accurate, and now we have to retract it because it might hurt someone's feelings.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

22. m$m wants to kill the messenger

Too much power concentrated in too few hands. We need to support lots of smaller news sources which do not depend on the billionaire class fed by reaganites.

[malaise]

23. THIS

We've come to the place where RW assholes can say anything about anything and nobody cares. Let one Dem make a comment like this one, which is to a very large degree entirely accurate, and now we have to retract it because it might hurt someone's feelings.

[Wounded Bear]

24. And who're the snowflakes, really?

[uponit7771]

18. K&R, They are technically concentration camps now

[G_j]

25. Yes, Thank you!

[fescuerescue]

32. "Immigration debate" should be called what it really is

The southern border holocaust.

Children are dying in these concentration camps.

[Laelth]

35. k&r for AOC. n/t

-Laelth

[bdamomma]

40. I love listening

to AOC, speaks TRUTH to power.