Snowflake incels have a new hobby: Making "defeminized" movies.

[Coventina]

It's just past 7am my time, and my disgust for humans (fragile men in particular) has reached critical point already.

I want them off this planet, like NOW!!!

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/18/733479265/avengers-but-make-it-without-women-or-men-hugging-or-levity-in-general

[2naSalit]

1. Perhaps there's some attractive

yet sinking island we can send them to where they can briefly wallow in their collective misery...nt

[KansasKali]

2. They also edited out Black Panther.

Funny how misogyny and racism go hand in hand.

[MineralMan]

3. Ignore Incels!

That's my thought on that.

[Coventina]

6. Except that they have a mutual admiration society that leads to killing people from time to time.

That is dangerous to ignore.

[MineralMan]

15. How will media attention help prevent that, I wonder?

We have a system of law enforcement and justice that requires someone to break the law before we do anything about it. We don't arrest people for how they think, but for what they do.

Racists kill people, but we don't arrest people for posting racist statements.
Religious and political extremists kill people, but people are allowed to write and speak about their opinions.
Homophobes kill people, but we don't arrest people for their homophobia alone.

Incels are out there. I don't have any idea how few or many of them there are, nor the percentage of them who are likely to resort to violence. I don't see how media attention on them enhances safety.

A couple of issues ago, New York Magazine did an article about incels seeking plastic surgery to improve their "chances." There are plastic surgeons, like the one featured in that article, who are glad to do whatever such people want, if they can afford it. But, catering to their body dysmorphic disorders does not solve their problems. Even the plastic surgeon recognized that, but took their money anyhow.

So, I wonder what benefit there was in that magazine article, except to publicize that plastic surgeon's practice.

[Coventina]

16. I think that there is benefit to knowing these creeps are out there, and what they are up to.

If they are exposed, then at least women are aware of them, can recognize the signs, and steer clear of these potential rapists.
(They honestly believe women owe them sex, and feel rape is entirely justified).

[MineralMan]

17. Mostly, they're easily recognized as creeps.

Most incels sit in their lonely rooms and weep bitter tears. Their lives suck. A few strike out at what they think are their enemies. Very few.

Again, what would you do about them, in a practical sense? Most women are aware of creepiness in men. They avoid such men. Rapists and murderers are another category, and I've seen no way, so far, to identify which sad, lonely people are going to murder or rape.

I suppose some law enforcement agency could monitor places where incels gather online. But, what then? Arrest them? For what? There is no law against being sad, lonely, or angry. Incels are some combination of all three.

[Coventina]

19. Well, then everything we say about terrorist groups is bunk.

These "men" sit around their message boards and plot ways (maybe they'll never act, but some of them have) to rape, beat, and otherwise terrorize women. They also plot against "Chads" (their alpha-male rivals).

I went on to one of their boards once, and I saw it all for myself. It was pretty terrifying. If you had just replaced references to women with "blacks" or "Jews" or "Muslims" or any other group it would qualify as straight-up terrorism.

So yes, I think they do need to be much more heavily monitored by LE and other government entities.

[MineralMan]

20. Yes. I visited some of those places, as well, when this phenomenon

first hit the news.

I also have visited various 4Chan boards and have watched the people there making threats that would never be carried out.

Why doesn't law enforcement monitor such places more closely? Because no crime gets committed on those places, and anonymity is almost always maintained by the online users. Before any arrest can be made, some action must have been taken, actually, or a specific threat against a specific target or person must be seen as credible.

In the case of these incels, most of those who have raped or murdered never appeared on online forums, or were not recognized as a danger.

As I said, we don't have laws against thoughts - only actions.

[Coventina]

22. Except that in two major cases of violence the guy in Ca and the guy in Toronto BOTH

posted their upcoming attacks on social media before they went out and killed people!

How does that make them any different than ISIS using social media to post about their attacks?

For example: one of the posts I read (about a year ago) said ( this is an exact a quote as I can remember, but I read it a bunch of times because it was so horrifying): The warm weather is here again. I swear I am going to rape the next girl I see dressing like a slut.

Now, rape is so vastly underreported...it is entirely possible that he followed through on that threat, but we'll never know.

If these creeps were adequately monitored, he could have been at least picked up and questioned for making terror threats.

[MineralMan]

24. OK, lets look at that guy who threatened to rape "the next girl"

First problem: Who is he? While it's difficult to maintain anonymity on the Internet, it's far from impossible. For example, I'm quite good at finding out who someone with a screen name is, as long as that person posts in more than one place. I've never been able to identify a 4Chan user, though.

Second problem: There is no law against making statements like that on an online forum. Law enforcement agencies won't put any resources into investigation such a broad threat.

Third problem: Statements like that are fairly common, and not just on incel boards. You see them all the time, all over the place, directed at politicians, liberals, racial categories, etc. 99% of such statements are made with no real intention of following through. They are braggadocio, in most cases.

So, monitoring such Internet places is unlikely to produce any useful results. So, they don't get monitored, since resources are limited and every law enforcement organization I know of. Child pornography is one exception. Sites that deal in that sort of thing are monitored and laws against possessing or disseminating child pornography are enforced, at least to some degree.

Similarly, sting operations are often used to go after human trafficking, especially where minors are involved. That's because those sting operations are proven to work. The bad guys actually fall for such sting operations and show up in person, where they are arrested.

Terrorists, too, can be caught through baiting online threateners to make themselves known to undercover investigators. That's another sting operation.

None of that would work with incel groups online.

[Coventina]

26. Must be nice to be a man, and not worry about little things like guys plotting to rape you.

We have an un-bridgeable difference of opinion here, I believe.

You will not convince me to ignore these creeps. I won't convince you they are a real and present danger.

C'est la guerre....

on edit: corrected my French.

[MineralMan]

29. Well, keep your eyes open. There are incels everywhere.

If you're out and about, you see some of them every day. The ones who are posting online are only a small fraction of the ones out there. I suspect that you do just ignore them.

No, there probably aren't any guys plotting to rape me. I have had a few stalkers, though, over the years. For them, I was their specific target. I dealt with that problem using various methods. For the online stalkers, my attorney sent them cease and desist letters after I discovered their actual identity. I'm sure they were surprised that they weren't actually anonymous. For a meatspace stalker, I documented that and contacted law enforcement, which let the person know that such behavior was illegal. Those measures ended the problem.

But those were very specific threats, targeting me specifically. If I'm not individually targeted, I'd have no way of knowing that someone had nefarious plans for me. Random selection of victims is something that can't be planned for, nor is there any real way to protect oneself from such a thing, except to be aware of your surroundings all the time and take sensible precautions.

There has been a wave of burglaries in my part of town recently. Some have involved home invasion robberies. The perpetrators have been opening the big doors of attached garages by breaking car windows and pushing the door opener inside the car and then entering people's houses. Now, I'm a potential victim of such a crime. But, there is no garage door opener in my car, which is not locked, so the window won't be broken. The door from my garage into my home has a lock and a deadbolt, too, which is always locked. It would be impossible to enter my home without making a great deal of noise that would alert me to the attempted break-in. As a potential victim of such a crime, I have taken sensible measures to prevent it. Those measures would probably send whoever had bad intentions to some other place that had easier access.

With dangerous incels, there is a problem like that, too. So, given the possibility, regardless of how remote the chance of being a victim, recognizing that such people exist and being alert to that fact is the best protection available. I guarantee that you have been near incels many times. Most mean you no real harm, specifically. But, being alert to the potential threat should be all the protection you need, since such attacks are very, very, very rare.

[Javaman]

32. incels are a major problem and need to be tracked.

they also need massive amounts of mental help.

I did a deep dive on this bizarre group about 3 or 4 months ago.

they basically egg each other on and ignoring them will do nothing at all.

they have a weird sense of self entitlement combined with an over all need to be right about everything. At the same time, choosing to blame all their problems on women rather than look inward.

it strikes me as a scorching case of arrested development.

they all seem to be stuck at roughly 13-15 years old mentally but have access to high powered weapons.

They scare the crap out of me.

[Coventina]

34. Thank you! Agree completely with everything you said. n/t

[MrScorpio]

4. I had thought that the He-man Women Haters club went extinct

Looks like I was wrong.

[Brother Buzz]

8. NO MA'AM

[dlk]

5. A Pathetic and Impotent Attempt to Counter the Rising Equality of Women

They are too cowardly to confront the reasons for their fear that is exhibited as hyper-masculinity.

[dawg day]

9. They show their cowardliness all the time--

Real men aren't afraid of real women.

[dlk]

10. Exactly!

[dawg day]

7. These guys are so weird... they don't want to be "celibate"

But they stoke their hatred of women, thus ensuring no woman will ever want to be near them.

[dlk]

11. It's a Twisted Manifestation and Projection of their Self-Loathing

If they truly felt good about who they are, they wouldn’t feel the need to erase women to compensate.

[smirkymonkey]

14. This is so true.

Women can sense their misogyny a mile away. They might as well be wearing a neon sign.

[Initech]

12. These morons need lives.

I don't think they are capable of loving a woman - or anyone for that matter.

[CrispyQ]

13. No levity.

Men who take themselves very seriously rarely laugh or smile. Look at Trump. He only smiles for photo ops, otherwise he always looks pissed & mean. That's what they think masculinity is about.

Stupid men. Don't they know humor is a huge turnon?

[TheBlackAdder]

18. One of them probably had a hand in rewriting Ella Enchanted-removing her agency, as prince saves her

.

Yes, Ella was a strong independent woman and the movie version rewrote the book to make Prince Char the savior.

.

[Aristus]

21. It's disappointing to me to see geek-culture become hate-culture.

I was a stereotypically downtrodden nerd when I was in school. And I consoled myself on my social awkwardness by embracing books, Dungeons & Dragons, Star Wars, and all sorts of geek-friendly cultural touchstones.

Now that geek-culture has become mainstream, the people I saw as my friends, allies, and fellow-travellers are turning into monsters. Incels, fan-boys, you name it. The self-loathing they felt as social outcasts has turned outward in an expression of hatred for everything they used to love that has now been embraced by society at large.

I'm a white, middle-aged male, and I don't feel any of their disaffection. I don't feel like whatever I had over others is now slipping away. I feel overjoyed that those social and ethnic groups who have been outcasts in the past are now becoming empowered; women, gays, African-Americans, transgender people, etc. I celebrate their rise. Why can't these sad, pathetic fan-boys do the same?

[Coventina]

23. As a geek-girl I share your pain.

Back in the 80s, I was the only girl in the group who read comics, and all that stuff.
The guys thought it was really cool that they had a girl in their group (and I ended up dating one of them).

It is shocking to me that this new generation wants it to be a "boys only" (straight, white boys, at that) club.

Geek culture used to be so welcoming. WTH happened?

[Turin_C3PO]

30. I agree with everything you wrote.

I was a nerd (still am) and played rpg video games, love Lord of the Rings and Star Trek, love science, etc. When I go on forums that cater to these hobbies, all I find is misogyny! It’s discouraging. Same with atheist groups. A lot of libertarian, men’s rights activists among that set.

[Coventina]

33. That blows my mind about atheist groups.

I would have figured libertarians to be more the "Gawd bless 'murica!" types.

And MRA? What would attract them to an atheist group?

Weird!!

Sorry you've experienced that, though.

[Turin_C3PO]

35. Honestly, I have no idea what the connection is.

Certainly most atheists are probably more liberal than theists but for whatever reason the online forums attract the assholes (at least in my experience).

[Liberal In Texas]

25. And they wonder why they can't get laid. n/t

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. Major worldwide war coming soon, all because people just couldnt trust Hillary, we almost

deserve it.

The misogyny against her and the racism against Barack, etc proves we as a nation and as a species are not deserving of this place.

[lunasun]

31. 'Murica maybe but I can't see the species as whole

[3catwoman3]

28. These "incels" are creepy enough to make it appealing to be a..

..."volcel," if I might coin a word - voluntary celibate. I do not think it is just their appearance that renders them unappealing. We have all known couples where one spouse is very physically attractive and the other is not.

[samnsara]

37. when my hubby first saw a pic of kelly anne and her hubby...

...'wait...what..?

[samnsara]

36. like the sign in my kitchen says..and my tag line....

........'no woman ever shot a man while he was doing the dishes'....those boys better learn to do them some housework!...and quit bitchin' about it....(cuz we dont care)...