I hope some people on this board heard Howard Dean on All In.

[Stinky The Clown]

How hard is it to understand strategic thinking and actions on Nancy Pelosi’s part?

As Howard Dean said, she is playing this perfectly.

Meanwhile most tv talking heads don’t seem to get it.

[hlthe2b]

1. I missed it. Perhaps someone will post video if/when available

[StarfishSaver]

2. I saw that.

It was nice to see someone who gets it and explains it so simply and well.

It was funny watching Chris Hayes act like that never occurred to him before.

[kennetha]

3. I Heard him

Thought he sounded like a babbling idiot rather than a strategic genius. Let the people lead on the impeachment question. Yeah, right.

He basically admitted too that passing legislation that has NO CHANCE of becoming law while the Senate and the Presidency are in Republican hands, has not "penetrated" people's consciousness.

Well, duh. Who would have thunk that? Anybody that gave it 5 minutes thought.

But yeah, once we get ourselves an actual candidate, like a year from now, then that will matter. And in the meantime, Mr. Dean?

Look it's time to admit that there isn't any grand strategic game behind what's Pelosi is doing. She is just a frantic attempt to keep the caucus, which is divided between the dithering moderates, and the let's take the dude down now progressives, together.

The problem is that the dithering moderates from swing districts are driving the ship. That's the starting point and the end point. Period.

[stillcool]

11. a babbling idiot..

wow. Who are you? Disagree if you want, but why be so condescending? Does that make you feel better about yourself?
Every day support is growing among those who people elected to make that decision. And here is where we are....

Full List: Who Supports an Impeachmentnquiry Against Trump?
By ALICIA PARLAPIANO, JASON KAO, EMILY COCHRANE and CATIE EDMONDSON UPDATED 4:15 P.M. ET on JUNE 17

66

Representatives support an impeachment inquiry

114

No, not now, or undecided

253

Awaiting response

More than 60 House Democrats and one House Republican now support an impeachment inquiry against President Donald J. Trump, according to a New York Times survey.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/31/us/politics/trump-impeachment-congress-list.html

[ehrnst]

25. Well, you certainly have the feels about Pelosi...

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Look it's time to admit that there isn't any grand strategic game behind what's Pelosi is doing. She is just a frantic attempt to keep the caucus, which is divided between the dithering moderates, and the let's take the dude down now progressives, together.

No intellectual strategy, she's just a "frantic." It's time to admit that this is about deeply personal feelings and not any serious analysis of Speaker Pelosi's strategy.

[delisen]

26. Pelosi does not seem "frantic." She is strategic.

[ehrnst]

45. I think that many project their frantic feelings of fear and anxiety over an unfamiliar feeling

of powerlessness onto Speaker Pelosi. It helps them to rationalize what they don't want to admit are feelings of vulnerability, and gives them a target, so they can replace anxiety with anger.

It feels more powerful than facing the situation as it is. Especially for white men.

Some are frantically doing this all over DU, as we've seen.

[qazplm135]

52. I dont think she's frantic

I just think she's clearly of the mind that impeachment is the wrong course of action and is working to stop it and stem it.

Time will tell whether she is right or not.

What I don't think is that she's playing 11-dimensional chess and is secretly for impeachment and is looking for the absolute optimal time to spring it.

[Polly Hennessey]

33. Wow, "babbling idiot".

Remind me not to get too close. You are one unhappy kenneatha.

[Hortensis]

4. Most TV talking heads/cable networks haul water for the Republicans.

Same as 2016. The more they're watched, especially some of the daytime shows, the less informed and more deluded. And more weaponized.

[Baltimike]

6. this

[malaise]

7. Ding ding

We have a winner

[live love laugh]

61. Duh 👍🏾

[ilmare2000]

5. This is just a bald appeal to authority

I think for myself.

And why believe Pelosi instead of Nadler or Raskin or Porter? I don't approach politics by choosing which politician to put faith in. I evaluate it myself.

To me it is clear that an impeachment proceeding should have already started.

[Stinky The Clown]

18. Did it ever occur to yourself that thoughtful people believe Pelosi is doing the right thing?

[delisen]

29. Because Pelosi is the one who has to count the votes & ensure

that she doesn't call for a vote to impeach that goes down to defeat.

[wryter2000]

39. What if they had a vote to impeach and it failed?

You can't win in the House with 61 votes. I imagine it's over 61 now but still under 100.

[stillcool]

8. People that don't get it...

don't want to get it. They want impeachment for the sake of impeachment. They don't care about the end results, they want the theater. And boy, will the Republicans provide theater. The push for impeachment is what everyone wants, except those that want to hold Trump accountable for provable crimes.

[kennetha]

13. What we want is some strategic boldness

Rather than fearful dithering. It’s time to unleash the dogs of all out political war on Trump and the Republicans. Time to mount an offensive, not hide and keep our heads down out of fear.

[stillcool]

16. who's hiding, and in fear?

They're doing their frigging jobs.

HOUSE INVESTIGATIONS

JUDICIARY: Chairman Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y.

Oversight of the administration's family separation policy
Former acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker’s appointment, his involvement in the Mueller investigation, and his conversations with Trump and involvement with World Patent Marketing
Voting rights and Department of Justice actions on voter ID, census cases
Easing of sanctions on companies linked to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska
Trump's national emergency declaration
The president's "threats to the rule of law," covering three main areas:
Obstruction of justice, including the possibility of interference by Trump and others in a number of criminal investigations and other official proceedings, as well as the alleged cover-up of violations of the law;
Public corruption, including potential violations of the Emoluments Clause of the U.S. Constitution, conspiracy to violate federal campaign and financial reporting laws, and other criminal misuses of official positions for personal gain;
Abuses of power, including attacks on the press, the judiciary, and law enforcement agencies; misuse of the pardon power and other presidential authorities; and attempts to misuse the power of the office of the presidency.
Trump's interference in Time Warner merger
Threats to relocate migrants to sanctuary cities
Reports that the president said he would pardon acting Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kevin McAleenan if he illegally closed the southern border to migrants
Firings of senior leadership at DHS
The administration's decision to stop defending the Affordable Care Act in court


OVERSIGHT AND REFORM: Chairman Elijah Cummings, D-Md.

Oversight of the Trump administration’s family separation policy
Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker's involvement with World Patent Marketing
Reports that the Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman was failing failing to carry out statutory duties to help those applying for legal immigration programs
White House security clearances
Inclusion of a citizenship question on the 2020 census
Easing of sanctions on companies linked to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska
Delayed back pay for federal workers impacted by the government shutdown
Michael Cohen hush-money payments
Education Secretary Betsy DeVos' efforts to replace her agency's acting inspector general
Transfer of nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia
Child separation actions at DOJ, DHS and Health and Human Services
Communications between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Trump
Michael Cohen's claims that Trump was improperly inflating financial statements
Interior Secretary David Bernhardt's schedules
Trump's threats to relocate migrants to sanctuary cities
Use of private email accounts by Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump and other White House officials, and use of messaging apps like WhatsApp
Gag orders on White House staff
Title X gag rule regulatory review process
Potential lobbying conflicts of interest involving Environmental Protection Agency head Andrew Wheeler
Interior Department's handling of FOIA requests
Abandoning plan to move FBI HQ building from Washington to suburban location
Firings of senior leadership at DHS
Trump Administration’s response to hurricanes in Puerto Rico and U.S. Virgin Islands
Trump Administration’s decision to stop defending ACA


INTELLIGENCE: Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif.

Russia investigation, including the scope and scale of the Russian government's operations to influence the U.S. political process, and the U.S. government's response, the extent of any links and/or coordination between the Russian government, or related foreign actors, and individuals associated with Trump's campaign, transition, administration or business interests, whether any foreign actor has sought to compromise or holds leverage, financial or otherwise, over Trump, his family, his business, or his associates; whether Trump, his family, or his associates are or were at any time at heightened risk of, or vulnerable to, foreign exploitation; and whether any actors — foreign or domestic — sought or are seeking to impede, obstruct, and/or mislead authorized investigations into these matters
Whether lawyers for Trump and his family obstructed committee's Russia probe
Trump's personal finances, including loans from Deutsche Bank
Use of intelligence to justify building a wall at the southern border
Easing of sanctions on companies linked to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska
Communications between Putin and Trump


WAYS AND MEANS: Chairman Richard Neal, D-Mass.

Easing of sanctions on companies linked to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska
Trump administration's use of user fees generated by the Affordable Care Act
Rule on short-term insurance plans
Trump administration’s decision to stop defending ACA
The president's personal and business tax returns


ENERGY & COMMERCE: Chairman Frank Pallone, D-N.J.

Short-term insurance plans
How the administration is spending user fees generated by the ACA
How HHS is caring for children impacted by the Trump family separation policy
EPA clean air rollbacks
EPA political appointees blocking release of a chemical study
EPA rollback of policies that reduce greenhouse gas emissions to address climate change
EPA political appointee steering litigation to benefit former client
EPA Officials ties to Utility Air Regulator Group
Trump Administration’s decision to stop defending ACA


FOREIGN AFFAIRS: Chairman Eliot Engel, D-N.Y.

Communications between Putin and Trump
Trump administration's failure to produce Russian sanctions report


FINANCIAL SERVICES: Chairwoman Maxine Waters, D-Calif.

Easing of sanctions on companies linked to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska
Trump's personal finances, including loans from Deutsche Bank
Trump administration's failure to produce Russian sanctions report
Reported ransom demand from North Korean government related to Otto Warmbier


HOMELAND SECURITY: Chairman Bennie Thompson, D-Miss.

Easing of sanctions on companies linked to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska
Administration's border security policies
Investigation into Trump threats to relocate migrants to sanctuary cities
HUD disbursement of Puerto Rico disaster relief funds
Firings of senior leadership at DHS
Reports of ICE tracking Trump protesters


NATURAL RESOURCES: Chairman Raul Grijalva, D-Ariz.

HUD disbursement of Puerto Rico disaster relief funds
Interior Secretary David Bernhardt's schedules
Agriculture/Interior Department decisions to further construction of a copper sulfite mine in Minnesota


VETERANS' AFFAIRS: Chairman Mark Takano, D-Calif.

Travel expenses of a political appointee in the Department of Veterans Affairs
Potential influence of several Mar-a-Lago members on VA decisions


EDUCATION AND LABOR: Chairman Bobby Scott, D-Va.

DeVos's efforts to replace the acting inspector general
Administration's decision to rescind Obama-era guidance on school discipline
Trump administration’s use of user fees generated by the Affordable Care Act
Trump administration’s decision to stop defending ACA


TRANSPORTATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE: Chairman Peter DeFazio, D-Ore.

Trump Hotel lease of Old Post Office building
Abandoning plan to move FBI headquarters from Washington to suburban location


APPROPRIATIONS: Chairwoman Nita Lowey, D-N.Y.

Use of Pentagon funds for border wall
National emergency declaration and border wall funds
BUDGET: Chairman John Yarmuth, D-Ky.
National emergency declaration and border wall funds

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/house-investigations-trump-his-administration-full-list-n1010131

[ehrnst]

24. Crickets....

Not surprisingly.

[True Blue American]

41. I think the House is

Doing a great job. They are passing bills and handling the on going investigations according to the Law.

[ehrnst]

42. Me too. (nt)

[wryter2000]

40. Thank you

I am stick to death of people who claim the Democrats are doing nothing.

[ehrnst]

31. Once again...

Hypermasculine imagery here in a critique of a female leader...

What we want is some strategic boldness
Rather than fearful dithering. It’s time to unleash the dogs of all out political war on Trump and the Republicans. Time to mount an offensive, not hide and keep our heads down out of fear.

You've used "dithering" a lot lately in reference to Speaker Pelosi. May I suggest a thesaurus to find other synonyms for weak, frantic, non-strategic, scared, feminine and other descriptors for your feelings about Speaker Pelosi.

[Me.]

28. Your Description Certainly Fits Chris Hayes Last Night

[watoos]

9. The Reps. In swing districts

Are not running the show, Pelosi is.
Justin Amash proved that.

I voted Democraic in 2018 to put a check on Trump, to hold him accountable. The millennials will stay home if Dems fail to impeach.

Pelosi is thinking about the 64 seats that Republicans flipped in 2010.

[StarfishSaver]

10. If you think "millennials will stay home if Dems fail to impeach," what makes you think they'll

bother to go out to vote if Democrats do impeach and don't remove him?

Anyone so clueless and self-involved that they won't vote to defeat Trump, keep the House and take back the Senate because the House Democrats didn't impeach Trump knowing it won't remove him from office, probably is too clueless and self-involved to be trusted to vote Democratic under any circumstance.

[FoxNewsSucks]

12. Because it is NOT Democrats

who will be failing to remove him. If MF45 is impeached, then that means democrats did what people voted them in to do. It will be REPUBLICONS who let MF45 off.

[StarfishSaver]

14. That still doesn't explain the lack of logic of getting so mad at Democrats for not impeaching Trump

that they won't do anything themselves to keep Trump from serving four more years.

I simply don't understand a mindset that views politics as a mere transaction and voting purely as a reward they bestow or withhold from politicians based on how lovingly they believe their derrieres have been smooched.

Not voting to remove Trump from office because Democrats didn't impeach him is the definition of spoiled self-indulgent ignorance. And anyone who thinks and behaves that way really doesn't deserve to have the party cater to their wishes. They need to be told to get over themselves and, in the meantime, get the hell out of the way.

[ConnorMarc]

19. How are you calculating this?

What's your math here?

As someone else posted, it won't be the Democrats that didn't vote him out.

Tell me something, what do you think the Republicans would have done were it the other way around?

And what do you think the voters would have responded to their actions?

Hint: The Republicans were largely rewarded for their 8 years of senseless obstruction to Obama and the Democrats.

Think on that.

[ehrnst]

34. In what way are they "rewarded"?

[Midnight Writer]

54. They were "rewarded" with the Senate, the House, the Supreme Court, the Presidency,

plus tax cuts for the oligarchs who have bought and paid for them.

[ehrnst]

56. The groundwork for that was laid before that - decades, even... and then Russia

gave it a boost.

[ConnorMarc]

58. What's your evidence of this?

List the groundwork you speak of.

I mean, sounds like you're saying no matter what Obama and the Democrats did that would have happened.

Is that what you're suggesting?

[ehrnst]

64. I'm saying that Republicans have been laying the groundwork for taking over for decades

Gerrymandering, the judiciary, assault on science, defying political norms and ethics...making the ground fertile for a conservative authoritarian like Trump to get more than a small following. Gingrich in particular.

In the 1980s and ’90s, Gingrich developed an obsessive focus on messaging, cultivating a political vernacular aimed at exploiting and stoking mistrust of Washington. This disruptive and symbolic politics of nihilism are now hallmarks of the Trump campaign. Gingrich also urged his fellow Republican representatives to transition from focusing on local issues to national ones, a shift that fostered much of the alienation on which Trump now feeds. In short, Gingrich wrote the slash-and-burn playbook that Trump has employed over the past year, and Gingrich’s Republican revolution created the conditions and political mood that allowed Trump to succeed.

https://newrepublic.com/article/134983/newt-gingrich-la

id-groundwork-donald-trump-rise

“You’re fighting a war,” Gingrich characteristically told a group of college Republicans in 1978. “It is a war for power. … Don’t try to educate. That is not your job. What is the primary purpose of a political leader? To build a majority.” And he did, winning an extraordinary victory in 1994 that gave Republicans control of the House for the first time in 40 years. That heralded a period of intense competition for control of the House and Senate, which itself fueled the hyper-partisanship that came to characterize national politics more generally.

Gingrich transformed the Republican Party in Congress. His recruits came in believing what Gingrich had taught them. Although he had a deep interest in science, Gingrich launched an attack on the use of science and facts in public policy that would be picked up by other Republican politicians in the years to come. One of the more enduring norms of Congress was that evidence vetted by acknowledged experts would frame debate and deliberation. Lawmakers could differ sharply on policy solutions, but all would share facts curated by the experts. As speaker, Gingrich abolished the Office of Technology Assessment, a blue-ribbon congressional agency that had been established for scientists to offer objective analysis on issues ranging from defense and space to climate and energy. The new majority defended shuttering the office’s doors as a cost-saving measure, and it was part of Gingrich’s broader (and largely successful) effort to centralize power in the speaker’s office. But the move also sent a message that ideological commitments would trump evidence.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/09/gop-decay-of-political-norms/540165/

The movement that produced Trump should have surprised no one: It began amid the turbulence of the 1960s, when white southern Democrats began changing their party affiliation to Republican. Over the next five decades, as the GOP built a three-legged stool of support from security hawks, social conservatives and fiscal conservatives, white working-class voters, especially men, gravitated toward the party but did not fit neatly into any of those groups. Over time, those voters felt little loyalty to a party that increasingly counted on their support in election years but otherwise paid them little attention.

https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/donald-trump-republican-party/trump-history



https://www.salon.com/2018/12/05/paul-krugman-reveals-how-the-gops-moral-rot-laid-the-groundwork-for-trumpism_partner/

[True Blue American]

43. Millennials

Are concerned about the things that matter to them. The climate, College loans, a living wage and good jobs!

Did anyone listen to Chris Mathews last night? The Educated young were the highlight of the evening.

Sherrod Brown was right there. Portman was invited, he failed to show.

[StarfishSaver]

46. If they're concerned with things that matter to them, they won't stay home just because Democrats

didn't impeach.

And I would also hope that they're concerned with things that don't directly affect only them but that also matter to other people.

[True Blue American]

48. I agree

Impeachment is the last thing on their minds. They want to know what is being done for their future.

The one young man said last night to the older peiople,” Climate change will NOT affect you, it will affect us!”

[stillcool]

17. Say goodbye to the 'millenial's'...

because the Democrats most surely will fail to impeach. Does anyone think that the Republican Senate will do anything?
By the way....here's a list of what Democrats are doing if you care.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/house-investigations-trump-his-administration-full-list-n1010131

[marlakay]

23. I think the millennials

Are more likely to stay home with Joe because he is more conservative and against pot.

They care about what touches their personal life like school loans and affording rent.

Liz would fire them up and many others.

I like Joe but we will have to see what youth will do. Maybe Obama will help him after primary over.

[True Blue American]

44. I did not hear

One word about Pot last night on Mathews. They did discuss the opoid epidemic. And how bad it is.

[delisen]

30. When Dems won the vote for health care & then lost big time

[TwilightZone]

15. Incessant negativity is just so much easier.

Why bother putting any thought into what she's doing if I can just bitch about it all the time instead?




--Sarcasm, of course.

[LiberalFighter]

20. Most talking heads are just being jerks about it.

[Hekate]

21. Anyone have a link to a clip of the good Dr Dean up yet? I have always liked him & his intelligence.

[Raine]

22. I'm sorry I missed it

I agree with Dr Dean.

[Me.]

27. Saw It, Loved Him

but Hayes was certainly having a problem moving off his position...fast-talking, interrupting... all that was missing was the sweat.

DEan was smart, measured and compelling

[True Blue American]

36. Thank you!

He was a jerk.

[sheshe2]

57. Chris Hayes is in a Haze as always.

?itok=pGaCQ7OT&timestamp=1491415804

[Me.]

60. ...

[aikoaiko]

32. No one doubts that Pelosi wants Trump held accountable or out of office ASAP

The issues are her messaging and the actual strategy.

[True Blue American]

35. I did

And thought Chris Hayes was rude, condescending and knew very little what Dean was talking about. Howard Dean did a great job as head of the DNC. So did Terry McAuliffe. They both elected Democrats, ran the DNC wisely, put it on a sound basis.

I wish either one would get involved again.

[Turin_C3PO]

37. I like Dean. As for Pelosi, I hope her ultimate goal is impeachment.

I can’t read her mind but I think that’s where she’s headed. I trust her strategic thinking but will be disappointed if it comes out that she’s discouraging an inquiry.

[wryter2000]

38. I am still a Deaniac

The man makes more sense than any one hundred talking heads.

[StarfishSaver]

47. Here's part of what he said on this:

“I’m one of the few people who was actually around when Nixon was impeached. This is exactly what happened. They were very careful. They were very deliberate. They didn’t go beyond the facts that were known, and the groundswell grew ... I think what Pelosi’s doing is brilliant, actually. She’s letting the momentum build. I don’t think she’s resisting it as much as you said she was. That's just the story line. I think it’s strategic patience. Look, Pelosi has not missed a step. She’s the one person who has got Donald Trump’s number in Washington. She hasn’t missed a step yet. I think it’s great that people are calling for impeachment in the House. I don’t think that’s a problem. I think Pelosi’s playing her hand exactly right.”

[True Blue American]

49. And Chris

Showed his ignorance to the facts Dean presented.

[StarfishSaver]

50. He was pretty obnoxious

Did you see when Dean said, “I’m one of the few people who was actually around when Nixon was impeached. This is exactly what happened" and Hayes tried to "correct him" by telling him "MY read of what actually happened is ..." and then he proceeded to tell Dean his version of what happened back before he was born?

[True Blue American]

53. Yes I did!

Chris interrupted so many times I told him to shut up. He didn’t listen! i caught it early this morning. The reason I do not watch Chris.

[nykym]

51. The talking heads get it

But they are more interested in RATINGS hence the preponderance of calls for impeachment - it boosts ratings.

[DinahMoeHum]

55. Fuck the MSM and the circle-jerking "talking heads"

Here is the cold, hard reality that Pelosi understands and many of us do not.

Without overwhelming public support for impeachment, pursuing it is nothing but an exercise in futility for the Democrats—and the country.

Pelosi knows this and, like it or not, she must wait for the public to come around.

Until 50+% of the citizens are onboard, Sen. Minority Leader Schumer has zero leverage to start leaning on his GOP counterparts to flip. As soon as Chuck gets word to Nancy of having enough of the GOP Senators ready to flip, she will then unleash the impeachment dogs.

But it won’t happen as long as the public isn’t on board with it FIRST.

Yes, it will take a while, and it’s painful to endure having an ignorant public which is still in denial.

But look, I was a high school student when Watergate happened.

It took a long while with Nixon, too. Way too long.

But once the tide turned, it turned HARD. BIG TIME.

Letting those drumbeats get ever louder will help. (investigations and bombshells)
Letting ever more damaging information get out there and fester will help, too. (more investigations and bombshells)

Once the legalities get sorted out, then open hearings will take place.

Impeachment, then conviction/removal is a MARATHON, not a sprint.
It takes a shit ton of preparation, patience and persistence, and it won’t come without a lot of effort. . .and pain.

Stay the course, folks.

Give yourselves lots of breaks from the TV, the computer, and social media.

Trust that many others here at DU plus the millions of others ourside of us are also fighting the good fight, and will pick up where you leave off.

[StarfishSaver]

59. This would make a nice OP

[uponit7771]

63. Nixon impeachment only had around 40% approval at time proceedings started, 50% is not needed ...

... and wasn't under Johnson either.

According to FAUX News we're at 50% already ...

There are few well grounded reasons not to start impeachment other then political timing, right now is not the best time for impeachment proceedings or the vote.

The polling on impeaching Red Don is beyond where it was with Nixon and Red Don will never be as popular with democrats as Clinton was with republicans.

The only way Red Don wins 2020 is by cheating

[StarfishSaver]

65. You're right that approval for impeachment was about 40% when impeachment "proceedings" started

and later went up to 50%, but that doesn't really tell the story you're trying to tell.

If you're defining "proceedings" as the opening of an impeachment inquiry, you're correct. The house approved the opening of an impeachment inquiry in February 1974 when approval for impeachment was just under 40%. However, by the time hearings began in May, approval had gone up to close to 50%. Only the first 20 minutes of the first hearing was shown publicly and then the judiciary committee closed all hearings to the public until late July. And during that time, it actually dropped quite a bit. But after the Supreme Court ruled against Nixon, By support for impeachment went to over 50%.

So, while your timeline is correct, the causation is not necessarily accurate since the impeachment hearings and other proceedings didn't drive public support for impeachment - that was pushed up by other things, such as the earlier Senate hearings, Nixon's behavior, indictments, the Washington Post coverage, etc. The impeachment proceedings were largely the result of the change in public opinion, not the cause of it.

[uponit7771]

66. Correct, polling is beyond where Nixon was with his Saturday Night Massacre but I don't ...

... think we should start any part of impeachment until at least all court Rulings have been made in regards to Red Dons attempts at obstruction via edict.

At that point it MIGHT be harder for the Kremlin KKKlan to go against the legislative and judicial branches of the government and it'll take us into 2020 season.

I can see the small deliberative drip drip of house reps coming out for impeachment harder to dispute as political if the narrative is even democrats weren't on board at first.

With the right timing this will turn into a flood and sans a war ReThugs will have to cheat in 2020 to win if P

[StarfishSaver]

67. Agree!

[Vegas Roller]

62. I like Howard Dean

he is extremely statesmanlike and always has a precise analysis of the issues from a political perspective.