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Trump's look is not my fault, says White House tailor as he insists he doesn't know where President got his poorly fitted state banquet attire from - while Savile Row expert reveals: 'It's wrong in every way!'
Ismet Dil's company has provided outfits to American Presidents for a century
Mr Dil, 69, tailor at Scogna Formal Wear, said he did not recognise Trump's suit
Patrick Murphy, from Savile Row tailor Davies and Son, said 'everything you can imagine' was wrong with suit
The official tailor to the White House has insisted he's not to blame for President Donald Trump's ill-fitting tuxedo at the state banquet with the Queen.
Ismet Dil, 69, whose company has provided dinner jackets and tails to America's leaders for a century, claimed he didn't recognise the suit, which was heavily mocked online and criticised for being 'wrong in every way' by a Savile Row tailor.
'This is my profession. Its not right,' Mr Dil, the master tailor at Scogna Formal Wear told The Times.
'I dont care if he is president. Someone is responsible somebody helped him get dressed like that.'
Trump chose to wear a ludicrously long white waistcoat, paired with a tux jacket that stopped halfway up his midriff and featured overlong sleeves.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7118613/Trumps-look-not-fault-says-White-House-tailor-expert-says-wrong-way.html
superpatriotman
(6,249 posts)nt
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts).
The jacket shoulder is at least 2-3 inches past his right sholder, and the rest is a mess too.
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DesertRat
(27,995 posts)The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)DBoon
(22,369 posts)nt
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)The entire galaxy agrees with us.
BigmanPigman
(51,609 posts)If he looked in a mirror with a normal person's discerning eye he would have seen what he really looks like. His ego is the problem here and with almost everything he touches.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
CatWoman
(79,302 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(16,786 posts)As well as Altering clothes already made, I noticed those faux pas also.
I wonder if that was intentional on the Tailor's part given Trump's body type. A shorter vest would have made him look even tubbier at the waist as more of the trousers would have to be seen then from a distance.
But what can you do when your subject looks like a tub of lard?
keithbvadu2
(36,829 posts)paleotn
(17,931 posts)He's got to be pushing 280 to 290.
Maraya1969
(22,483 posts)things so he may have been lying about 45's weight.
paleotn
(17,931 posts)I just don't see 239 lbs there. It's more like 280, given how tall he is.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)FakeNoose
(32,645 posts)He wears his pants too low with the belt and waist below the belly so all his shirts and vests need to go long to cover it. So that makes the jacket too short and the vest hangs too far below. Looks ridiculous.
diva77
(7,643 posts)samnsara
(17,622 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)...off the rack and puts them on. With his personality, I doubt he would accept advice from anyone, including Melania.
Two or three years ago GQ noticed and did an electronic "makeover" that was impressive. His size and shape can be dealt with discreetly, and all the rest of the disaster from pants cuffs to jacket sleeves can as well.
Frankly, in England he looked like an old man who's slipping and probably needs the car keys taken away as well.
druidity33
(6,446 posts)to let anyone touch him to take measurements. Or thinks the measurements will get out. Probably once got a poorly tailored suit and has forever disparaged tailors... any number of things explains why he wore this suit.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)calimary
(81,320 posts)Ridiculous. Embarrassing.
The Ugly American. Inside as well as outside. Clothes dont make the man. But in this case, clothes dont make the piece of gold-painted shit on two legs, either.
MaryMagdaline
(6,855 posts)Trumps the type wholl point to a suit, maybe something worn fabulously by George Cooney or Daniel Craig, and say I want that one. If I dont look good, its your fault.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)grumpyduck
(6,240 posts)That way he could get a discount.
enid602
(8,620 posts)Theres a Tuxedo King right next door to Heidis wig barn, so he was able to multi task.
Mersky
(4,982 posts)irisblue
(32,980 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
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White Ties and Tails is far more formal, often worn with Vests.
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Poiuyt
(18,125 posts)He thinks they have a slimming effect on him.
You've got to admit, he does look slimmer, don't you think?
trueblue2007
(17,228 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)And she said the same thing -- it was obvious the waistcoat was being used to cover Trump's stomach, and probably to hide a corset/girdle. In the long run, it made it all the more obvious.
She also said the jacket looked as off the rack as tails could be.
CatMor
(6,212 posts)super model fashion maven Melania advise him. She has as much fashion sense as he does.
IronLionZion
(45,454 posts)catchnrelease
(1,945 posts)My first thought when I saw this was that she had stuck a paper plate on top of her head.
SunSeeker
(51,572 posts)The entire administration is taking a fancy European vacation paid for by us taxpayers!
CatMor
(6,212 posts)must be in the genes.
BigmanPigman
(51,609 posts)Little Miss Fashionista is out of date by 35 years.
IronLionZion
(45,454 posts)by taking it back a few decades
BigmanPigman
(51,609 posts)Reagun brought us unchecked govt, trickle down economics BS and Fux Ruse. Oh what a joyous time we have had since than.
onetexan
(13,043 posts)All of them are using this opp to grift, as usual.
badhair77
(4,218 posts)IronLionZion
(45,454 posts)so she decided to just go with it.
badhair77
(4,218 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
I wasn't aware pole dancers were fashion mavens. I suppose some could be, but as a general rule....
CatMor
(6,212 posts)paleotn
(17,931 posts)I was following along with the snark. In fact, I have no first hand knowledge of whether Malaria is or has ever been a pole dancer. That's purely speculation on my part.
CatMor
(6,212 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,909 posts)They didnt have Hamburglar in stock or orange, though
CatWoman
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Me.
(35,454 posts)in what he thought would make him look thinner, probably off the rack cause he's too cheap
PatSeg
(47,501 posts)he is so stubborn and difficult, he probably insisted on the tux the way it looks. He probably thought it made him look thinner. Lately he has looked absolutely awful, well worse than usual.
tblue37
(65,403 posts)He needed the waistcoat to cover his gut.
We are all starting to understand the way the man thinks and what HE sees when he looks in a mirror - the fake tan, the hair, and the ridiculous attempts to disguise his ever expanding girth. Most of us are deceived by what we see in the mirror occasionally, but then we see a photo or catch a glimpse in a store window and wonder "What the hell was I thinking?"
Trump is probably the most photographed and filmed man on the planet and apparently, he still cannot see how clownish he looks. There is truly something wrong with the way his brain works.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)that's a sure sign you completely screwed up your outfit.
MaryMagdaline
(6,855 posts)randr
(12,412 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,829 posts)Don't forget his escort's sleeveless dress.
The right wing had a fit over Michelle Obama's sleeveless dress.
True Blue American
(17,986 posts)Look at the queen.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)are in the royals presence. Related - never knew it was a slur to wear sunglasses at a solemn event. (Malaria did, and they all tsked tsked her).
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)......Melania went to meet the queen without hosiery on. Bare legged. THAT is really low class.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Have people around you who knew all this and advised you. People who had been around a long time. The Trump's have banished anyone who disagrees and anyone related to Obama in some way.
Although it may be just that they know the proper, just choose to thumb their nose at it all - because they are the GREATEST EVER.
P.S. Am having flashbacks to catholic mass where if you crossed your legs you were going straight to hell.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)But then her MIL was no doubt a strict teacher of manners.
I also noticed that Melania crosses her legs like a trucker when sitting. Proper etiquette for a woman of substance is to cross her legs at the ankles. Not at the knee.
NBachers
(17,120 posts)WePurrsevere
(24,259 posts)He looks even more miserable than usual... Good. While I'm normally a very kind person I just admit to a bit of schadenfreude when I see him looking this way.
My sympathy lies with her majesty. Her normally well schooled expression looks like she's thinking, I can't believe I have to be gracious and stand anywhere near this boorish buffoon.
When I first saw this pic of a day or so ago I pointed out to my husband how very wrong it all was. Even he knew the whole fit was all off.
NBachers
(17,120 posts)Her new inflatable *kidneys* are ready to bop the Queen in the face if she turns too fast.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)Besides the ill fitting suit. At least the two women attempted to put on a happy demeanour for the camera. I don't know if Donnie thinks he is looking more 'Presidential' by trying to look serious? Although his serious face is more of a "you fuckers, if you screw up this photo you are going down". Can't he just for one minute at least look relaxed, and happy to be there?
underpants
(182,829 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)Mazeltov Cocktail
(569 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Shameless, utterly.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)underpants
(182,829 posts)✅
tblue37
(65,403 posts)that is why he scowled in his official WH photo.
SunSeeker
(51,572 posts)marble falls
(57,106 posts)world wide wally
(21,744 posts)What a nimrod
EveHammond13
(2,855 posts)trixie2
(905 posts)Maybe Mr. Barrow, from Downton Abbey, up to his old tricks again.
NBachers
(17,120 posts)malaise
(269,054 posts)Where's the outrage from the screamers about Obama's tan suit?
lpbk2713
(42,759 posts)Got some nifty long red ties too.
grumpyduck
(6,240 posts)that's not a tuxedo he's wearing -- the outfit is called white tie and tails, and the coat itself is called a tailcoat. A tuxedo looks more like a suit.
Other than that, yeah, the whole outfit looks terrible, and the Queen's totally English expression looks like, "Blimey, can I ever bloody unsee this?????"
OnlinePoker
(5,722 posts)Seriously, though, what does a 93 year old monarch carry in her handbag?
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts).............
grumpyduck
(6,240 posts)maybe a documentary on the Royal Family, where it was revealed what she carries. I don't remember exactly, but it was nothing unusual; like maybe tissues and lipstick.
One thing she supposedly carries all the time is one of those clips you put on a table to hang your purse.
tblue37
(65,403 posts)CatWoman
(79,302 posts)MineralMan
(146,317 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,734 posts)doggie treats, a flask of Glenlivet, an icepick, and £5000 in unmarked bills.
Johnny Noshoes
(1,977 posts)MFM008
(19,816 posts)Lipstick.
Magna Carta
Vibrator
Polident
Aristus
(66,388 posts)I wanted to beat my head against the wall.
What he was wearing was white tie and tails, an entire level of formality above the tuxedo, which is 'black tie.'
And even the term 'tuxedo' is a rather crass nickname given to what should be called an evening suit.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)How folks keep calling this a tux.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)Bannon is tRump's concierge and butler, part time.
Sort of adds up, eh?.......
Rumors are there's a smart phone app now that can size you for a tux using its camera. Eliminates the tape measure.
One-click ordering with that overstock store...
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)OMG
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Lovely job, Steve. Just lovely.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)[link:|This was a president who really knew how to wear formal wear.
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I mean, it's about tenth on the list of good things about Barack Obama, but he really is stylish.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)but that's nitpicky.
Aristus
(66,388 posts)Clip-ons are for wimps.
Every man should know how to tie a bow tie. Every time I put on formal wear, I tie my bow tie. Looks better that way.
Beau Brummel once complained that it took him an hour to make his cravat look as if it had been carelessly and hastily tied.
brush
(53,787 posts)gtar100
(4,192 posts)Just sayin'. It's one of my paranoias. One of them.
Aristus
(66,388 posts)One tug on the tail and the whole thing comes apart. Plus, an untied bow tie will make you look like Frank Sinatra after a set in Vegas.
With a clip-on, you have to undo that metal clip, which could take longer.
Also, if you feel like your tie is choking you, it probably is because it's too tight. Tie it more loosely. A tailor once told me that businesswear and formal wear should be as comfortable as casual clothing. If it isn't, it's not fitted properly.
sir pball
(4,743 posts)Technically in full-blown white tie, not even the tiniest sliver of waistcoat.should show below the jacket, but that's so common these days it only matters if you're in the Met Gala contest or something. So much better than that sartorial monstrosity we just witnessed...
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)And not being a royal and under the British fashion microscope is understandable. Had he let Michelle tie it I thinking it would have been perfect. But if that man was dressed perfectly he would upstage the queen!
His cuffs show on the right arm but not the left. But, you can see he is wearing French Cuffs as he should and I would bet $1000 there is a story about the cuff links he is weary. Since Trumps sleeves come to his tiny fingertips who knows?
JI7
(89,252 posts)SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)Miigwech
(3,741 posts)lol
tymorial
(3,433 posts)You can just feel the disgust, horror and loathing in Mr. Dil's words. It's a priceless example of " it's not my fault that the president is an idiot"
Politicalgolfer
(317 posts)Ever think that since he lies about his weight, his narcissistic vanity insisted on wearing a size ten times too small for him?😎
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)stillcool
(32,626 posts)Rodney Dangerfield character. But so not funny.
samnsara
(17,622 posts)...what an effing dweeb. Melania must be SO PROUD that he is hers..ALL HERS!
LakeArenal
(28,820 posts)Oh, and Hope Hicks.
czarjak
(11,278 posts)Historic NY
(37,451 posts)[link:
|]PatrickforO
(14,577 posts)Do you think the queen is struggling to hold laughter inside?
He really does not look good in this suit.
This reminds me of Ron Weasley's formal robes in Harry Potter. Just so...wrong.
Cha
(297,317 posts)stuffed dumbfuck he is!
colorado_ufo
(5,734 posts)How in the world does the Queen keep a straight face?
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)The Emperor has f'ed up clothes.
sop
(10,193 posts)Last edited Sun Jun 9, 2019, 12:48 AM - Edit history (1)
shanti
(21,675 posts)FTFY
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)figuratively. Literally would be so much more satisfying.
Kaleva
(36,309 posts)PatrickforO
(14,577 posts)people and its constitution.
Ick.
coeur_de_lion
(3,680 posts)was discussing trump visit.
Before the visit:
Well you know hes nuts. Just smile for the photos and pretend youre interested in what he has to say. And be nice to his staff they have to be losing their minds by now.
After the visit:
Dear God. I had no idea it was possible to be that stupid and that rude all in the same person. Did you see his tux?
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)How many of you have been to a big Southern Baptist Church in the South on Sunday morning?
I grew up in them. The sartorial taste would make a Savile Row Tailor slit a wrist. Women wearing dresses that look like drapes. Men with hugely ill fitting suits with cowboy boots. And when Tammie Faye Baker was wearing the caked on makeup we made fun of she was endearing herself to those women, and men and those churches. Its pathetic the way they try to act like they are sophisticated.
30 years ago when I took my wife to the boonies to meet them, my wife, who is actually sophisticated and thin and who dresses and uses make-up in an appropriately understated way to meet them, they saw her as plain. If only they knew.
The fact that she had a way better job than them, or me at the time, did not help either.
But trust me. Trump looking like he showed up at the palace straight from the trailer park makes them giddy.
HDSam
(251 posts)Jesus fucking Christ hes a fucking idiot.
Mersky
(4,982 posts)Or perhaps it's a spanx-type underpinning recommended by Chris Christie.
Cinched his, eh, vest down over his sucked-in belly/brain. Can see his waistband budging thru. He looked in the mirror, and saw perfection despite the drooping pants. And then, no one in his entourage dared say he looked like a buffoon.
(Tooo, Pence would have gone into fits if 'Mother' had a man's silhoulette cast upon her ivory, buzzsaw dress.)
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Would put her house dress on backwards, apply lipstick to her face not just her lips, etc.
But she was really sweet and simply needed someone to help her. Trump may dress like this because he's demented, but I think it's because he doesn't care. He expects everyone else to follow his lead and start wearing poorly fitting clothes.
Mersky
(4,982 posts)My great uncle developed schizophrenia shortly after a terrible fever. He's lived a rather balanced life since (esp. compared with those without any such diagnosis). Thinks that Trump is awful. I wouldn't lump individuals with schizophrenia in with malignant narcissism. I think tRump could be unable to see himself accurately, but that does not make him necessarily like the one schizophrenic that you know.
I think it is important to try to assimilate how he is like...that guy...that gal, but honestly the money/time it takes to fluff a man like trump is not worth it. He is exactly like the guy who bulldozed my in-laws tree farm....
I'm feeling you, just don't lump those in with 'him' unless they mean harm.
The bulldozer guy means harm. Backwards dresses, not so much. My Uncle? He's a good man.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)There were just behaviors reminding me of someone.
Olafjoy
(937 posts)I posted before that I could not believe the idiocy
of this formalwear. This was a clown suit! Where do these people get their clothes? The Worst Bad Taste Store? They all looked as awful as they are.
Bluepinky
(2,275 posts)Trump is too short and fat to look good in anything. With his large gut, thick neck and stunted arms and legs, no suit will fit him properly.
Mersky
(4,982 posts)I'm in Texas. I'll bet dollars to donuts you're exhausted?
Bluepinky
(2,275 posts)Tomorrow I can sleep in.
pandr32
(11,588 posts)He obsessives over his perceived flaws and compulsively covers them up in ways that only fool himself:
-He always has the shoulders too wide in his suits--he thinks it makes him look like a strongman with broad shoulders.
-His pants are too loose to hide his pudgy knock-kneed legs and his thighs that rub together.
-His pants and sleeves are too long because he insists he is taller than he actually is to whoever makes his clothes. Whoever that is likely must sign an NDA.
-He likes others to believe he still has a 36" waist so no wonder his cumberbund for his formal attire does not fit and he leaves his oversized business suit jackets open to cover his real waistline.
-He appears to wear high lifts in his shoes. He can be seen at different heights at different times, but when he is wearing a suit for a serious function he is taller, leans forward when standing, and walks awkwardly.
-He appears to have weaves in his hair to make it seem thicker and mane-like. There are times the seams cause a weird bulge/pleat where his part is and who can forget pictures of him from the back when the wind lifted his hair like a wing--exposing very thin fine stuff at the back of his head that looked almost bald.
-He has his skin spray-tanned to pretend the look of a healthy outdoorsy guy, but the goggles he wears to protect his eyes leave rings of purplish-white doughy skin he doesn't seem to notice when he looks in a mirror. He also wears a shower cap when getting sprayed because you can see a demarcation line.
His aides cover his desk with only flattering stories and pictures for him to pour through every day. He needs to believe he looks great and is respected. No wonder he gravitated to Fox news and claims everything else is fake.
smb
(3,473 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Hulk
(6,699 posts)Yup...sloppy job, but face it, he would look like a sleezy pile of shit in a suit no matter how the covered his gluttonous ass.
Nitram
(22,822 posts)the WH tailor wasn't consulted. I kind of figured that.