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Hope Hicks defies Donny Dollhands (Original Post) NewJeffCT Jun 2019 OP
So she does have a brain and knows when to cut ties. lark Jun 2019 #1
We need her to testify. shockey80 Jun 2019 #2
more like she's trying to save her own skin onetexan Jun 2019 #29
For which a brain is required. nt Xipe Totec Jun 2019 #31
Yup, CYA.. Probably saw tRump promise and reneg often... nt mitch96 Jun 2019 #37
She knows how little Trump rewards loyalty. She's extracted all comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #34
Great news indeed!! Please make sure LOSER45 hears about this, STAT!!! Leghorn21 Jun 2019 #3
Make sure the other henchmen hear it Marthe48 Jun 2019 #49
She just steamed his pants for the final time...nt blugbox Jun 2019 #4
LOL! lunatica Jun 2019 #12
... Scurrilous Jun 2019 #5
Hicks is still defying Congress. Eyeball_Kid Jun 2019 #6
I thought post-election stuff Bilegurken Jun 2019 #8
There's no executive privilege to coverup crimes and misdemeanors C_U_L8R Jun 2019 #28
they have to declare the privilege for individual documents and mopinko Jun 2019 #35
True.... HOWEVER, Tiny will declare privilege on EVERYTHING .... groundloop Jun 2019 #50
Think you are correct. OK during CAMPAIGN not (P)RESIDENCY Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #10
The White House material - at least some of it - could be protected by executive privilege StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #18
This will make good political theater Maine-i-acs Jun 2019 #7
Can you share a link to her conscience? juxtaposed Jun 2019 #23
File not found. mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2019 #30
I might be a little ahead of the game Maine-i-acs Jun 2019 #36
Nah, she's not defying Trump Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #9
Yeah that's what I garnered as well LiberalLovinLug Jun 2019 #16
I think he claimed executive privilege over those, too StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #19
My understanding is there has not been an actual assertion of privilege Fiendish Thingy Jun 2019 #21
I think he has claimed that all of these documents are protected by executive privilege, StarfishSaver Jun 2019 #25
INCOMING TWEET STORM!!!!!!!!!11111 Xolodno Jun 2019 #11
Those are the documents Trump is claiming executive privilege on. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2019 #13
Hold on here; she's turning "some" docs over....and you think she, they the Oral Office SayItLoud Jun 2019 #14
Who will pay her legal fees? Scarsdale Jun 2019 #15
She said some documents... BlueJac Jun 2019 #17
She handled all of Chump's emails and correspondence at the White House FakeNoose Jun 2019 #20
Quick, before he gets back! catrose Jun 2019 #22
Nicole Wallace on MSNBC starts her show right now saying Hicks is not turning documents over. ancianita Jun 2019 #24
It is past time SCVDem Jun 2019 #26
In what fuckin' alt reality is this even close to legal? Blue_Tires Jun 2019 #27
Why do they broadcast all over that someone is going to testify or something Doitnow Jun 2019 #32
True Oppaloopa Jun 2019 #45
Smart woman. "Stickin' it to da man*" George II Jun 2019 #33
this needs to be fixed, she is defying ALL requests for any new documents and is refusing to testify Celerity Jun 2019 #38
SHE IS NOT GIVING ANY INFO TO ANYONE....... a kennedy Jun 2019 #39
PUt her up at the hearings. Make her talk. lindysalsagal Jun 2019 #40
No more lip service either, I take it sandensea Jun 2019 #41
I wish. Rachel says it's not so. mahina Jun 2019 #42
Just for the record...there's no 'defiance' here pecosbob Jun 2019 #43
Yet another obstruction count. Marcuse Jun 2019 #44
That's surprising. That may mean she has nothing to hide, ... Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #46
I hope she testifies UpInArms Jun 2019 #47
She has a really good attorney and cooperated with Mueller too grantcart Jun 2019 #48

lark

(23,147 posts)
1. So she does have a brain and knows when to cut ties.
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 02:28 PM
Jun 2019

Good for her! She's obviously not the stupid Barbie drumpf assumes her to be.

comradebillyboy

(10,174 posts)
34. She knows how little Trump rewards loyalty. She's extracted all
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 05:20 PM
Jun 2019

the benefits from her time with Trump and has no more use for him.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,434 posts)
6. Hicks is still defying Congress.
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 02:37 PM
Jun 2019

She is withholding documents created AFTER the 2016 election. She should be held in contempt.

 

Bilegurken

(58 posts)
8. I thought post-election stuff
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 02:59 PM
Jun 2019

would be covered by 'executive privilege', since she had an advisory role. Is that not true?

mopinko

(70,198 posts)
35. they have to declare the privilege for individual documents and
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 06:39 PM
Jun 2019

conversations. beside the crime/fraud exemption, lots of things are not privileged.

groundloop

(11,521 posts)
50. True.... HOWEVER, Tiny will declare privilege on EVERYTHING ....
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:42 AM
Jun 2019

And have it tied up in the courts for months.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
18. The White House material - at least some of it - could be protected by executive privilege
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 03:23 PM
Jun 2019

If I were advising her, I would tell her to do just what she's doing.

There is no question that the pre-White House material has no protection - executive privilege or otherwise - so she's legally obligated to turn it over.

But it's possible that some of the material from the White House is protected by executive privilege. If the White House is invoking executive privilege as to those documents, it's not up to her to try to figure out what she can and can't/should or shouldn't turn over. I would advise her to hold off and let Congress and the White House fight it out. Once that's resolved, she can then turn over what isn't protected.

Maine-i-acs

(1,499 posts)
7. This will make good political theater
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 02:58 PM
Jun 2019

if there ever was such a thing.
She's photogenic and has a conscience

Maine-i-acs

(1,499 posts)
36. I might be a little ahead of the game
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 08:31 PM
Jun 2019

but she doesn't seem the type to face prison in order to protect the Chumpenfuhrer

Fiendish Thingy

(15,651 posts)
9. Nah, she's not defying Trump
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 02:59 PM
Jun 2019

She’s handing over campaign documents, which aren’t protected by executive privilege- she’s still withholding documents from her time at the WH.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
16. Yeah that's what I garnered as well
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 03:19 PM
Jun 2019

I think people really really want Hope Hicks to wake up, and do the right thing. It might be some kind of social conditioning, or watching too many Hollywood movies maybe...but we tend to think good looking people are good people. At least we give them more a benefit of the doubt. But that's another topic.

But based on that other posting here, as you said, these are only the documents that are not covered by executive privilege. She's doing the bare minimum, and it has nothing to do with rebelling against her Dear Leader.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,651 posts)
21. My understanding is there has not been an actual assertion of privilege
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 03:41 PM
Jun 2019

They use weasel words like “privilege could apply”, knowing this will help run out the clock in court delays.

IMO, if privilege hasn’t been asserted the contempt citations should be issued. Of course, if this were for an impeachment inquiry, privilege wouldn’t apply anyways...

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
25. I think he has claimed that all of these documents are protected by executive privilege,
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 04:05 PM
Jun 2019

but I could be mistaken.

However, if he's just claiming that "{p}rivilege could apply," that won't "help run out the clock in court delays." In fact, such a "weasel" claim would speed up any court proceeding, since a court wouldn't even consider it but would bounce it back out into the street within nanoseconds.

In this instance, Trump's many claims of executive privilege likely wouldn't work, regardless whether he invokes them in an impeachment inquiry or any other kind of proceeding since most of the information sought doesn't fall within the protection of the doctrine anyway.

But, that said, it's incorrect to say that a valid privilege claim "wouldn't apply" in an impeachment proceeding - this has never actually been decided or determined. As one the favorite sources of some people around here has noted, "{I}t is worth remembering that the Supreme Court has never decided a case concerning a congressional subpoena for information issued to an executive branch official where the president has asserted executive privilege. In theory, the Supreme Court could decide the issue is a political question and leave it to the other two branches to sort out in some other way." https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-powers-does-formal-impeachment-inquiry-give-house.

Xolodno

(6,398 posts)
11. INCOMING TWEET STORM!!!!!!!!!11111
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 03:03 PM
Jun 2019

ALL HANDS ON DECK!

BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES!

CANCEL THE THREE RING CIRCUS!!!

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,961 posts)
13. Those are the documents Trump is claiming executive privilege on.
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 03:09 PM
Jun 2019

He wasn't the executive then, so he can't make that claim. He knew these would have to be produced. She still isn't producing anything from her term in the White House, though.

SayItLoud

(1,702 posts)
14. Hold on here; she's turning "some" docs over....and you think she, they the Oral Office
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 03:12 PM
Jun 2019

hasn't hand picked those docs? Choosing only the most nebulous ones is what she will deliver.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
15. Who will pay her legal fees?
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 03:19 PM
Jun 2019

Probably will be paid from tRump's re-election funds, like Donald Jr.'s.

BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
17. She said some documents...
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 03:22 PM
Jun 2019

I hope she brings a trunk full! Someone one is going to catch all hell sooner than later for not complying to Congress. It is past due.

FakeNoose

(32,726 posts)
20. She handled all of Chump's emails and correspondence at the White House
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 03:36 PM
Jun 2019

... but did she keep anything when she left? I didn't think that was allowed.



 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
26. It is past time
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 04:20 PM
Jun 2019

To lock these obstructionists up!

Do NOT fuck with our Constitution!

There's more to it than the 2nd!

Doitnow

(1,103 posts)
32. Why do they broadcast all over that someone is going to testify or something
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 04:43 PM
Jun 2019

and give tRump all the time in the world to intimidate, bribe or otherwise hinder people from coming forward. Why not just have people just show up on live tv and let them bring on their evidence. They can get all the cameras going in 5 minutes if they have to.

lindysalsagal

(20,726 posts)
40. PUt her up at the hearings. Make her talk.
Tue Jun 4, 2019, 10:51 PM
Jun 2019

No one held a gun to her head when she decided to work for the monster.

pecosbob

(7,542 posts)
43. Just for the record...there's no 'defiance' here
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 12:23 AM
Jun 2019

Last edited Wed Jun 5, 2019, 11:34 AM - Edit history (1)

They're still refusing to release docs retained under Trump's spurious claims of privilege. They're only releasing the transition-period docs Trump hasn't refused to provide. Poor title.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
46. That's surprising. That may mean she has nothing to hide, ...
Wed Jun 5, 2019, 07:30 AM
Jun 2019

That may mean she has nothing to hide, and doesn't want to get involved in a drawn out legal proceeding fighting something that doesn't matter to her, anyway. If she has to pay the legal bills, which would be staggering, I wouldn't refuse to turn documents over, either.

She's friends w/Ivanka. Maybe that will save her from the wrath of Khan and his name-calling tweets.

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