Mueller is the first Marine I have ever seen who hid from a fight.

[shockey80]

Barr beat the shit out of Mueller for over 60 days before Mueller swung back for 9 minutes. The next day Barr starting beating the shit out of Mueller again. Mueller said he will fight no more.

My father was a Marine. They are Marines for life. My father would have never let anyone do what Barr has done. My father would have taken Barr down. Mueller has been a big disappointment.

Mueller the Marine has the ability to knock the living shit out of Barr. He could ruin him. He is not doing it, yet. There is still time.

[HopeAgain]

1. Mueller doesn't care enough to fight

apparently.

[True Blue American]

2. Mueller will be

On MSNBC at 9PM tonight. Ari Melber.

[shockey80]

3. Really! Holy shit, I will be watching.

[shockey80]

4. Where did you hear this?

[True Blue American]

14. On MSNBC :)

[shockey80]

19. Thanks.

[True Blue American]

22. Tune up your DVR

Guide says,” Mueller Speaks.”

I hope they mean he speaks.

[pnwmom]

30. I think it's just a rehash of his presser last week. n/t

[Empowerer]

27. I think Melber is just covering the statement from the other day.

He’s not actually interviewing Mueller.

[shockey80]

28. Shit!

[hlthe2b]

31. Are you sure? It thought it was just a Melber special analyzing the "Mueller speaks" episode

[demmiblue]

5. This is getting tiresome. n/t

[Codeine]

8. Oh, it's been tiresome for quite a while now.

Several new threads a day from the same OP. The schtick has outlived its appeal.

[demmiblue]

11. Yeah, figured this one out long before the latest schtick. n/t

[shockey80]

12. You figured out nothing.

[obamanut2012]

17. lulz

[pintobean]

43. ...

[shockey80]

9. Too bad, It's the truth.

Mueller can still fix what he has done and then I will shut up.

[USALiberal]

6. LOL, ok! nt

[Botany]

7. Mueller laid it all out for Congress to impeach Trump.

https://themoscowproject.org/explainers/trumps-russia-cover-up-by-the-numbers-70-contacts-with-russia-linked-operatives/

TRUMP’S RUSSIA COVER-UP BY THE NUMBERS – 251 CONTACTS WITH RUSSIA-LINKED OPERATIVES

On April 18, 2019, a redacted copy of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s “Report On The Investigation Into Russian Interference In The 2016 Presidential Election” (Mueller Report) was released to the public. The Mueller report builds on the U.S. intelligence community’s conclusion that there were two campaigns to elect Donald Trump— one run by Trump and one run by the Russian government. The Mueller report clearly identified collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, despite repeated denials from Trump and many of his senior advisers and close associates that there were any connections between the two campaigns.

A total of 251 contacts between Trump’s team and Russia-linked operatives have been identified, including at least 37 meetings. And we know that at least 33 high-ranking campaign officials and Trump advisers were aware of contacts with Russia-linked operatives during the campaign and transition, including Trump himself. None of these contacts were ever reported to the proper authorities. Instead, the Trump team tried to cover up every single one of them.

Beyond the many lies the Trump team told to the American people, Mueller himself repeatedly remarked on how far the Trump team was willing to go to hide their Russian contacts, stating, “the investigation established that several individuals affiliated with the Trump Campaign lied to the Office, and to Congress, about their interactions with Russian-affiliated individuals and related matters. Those lies materially impaired the investigation of Russian election interference.”

[shockey80]

10. It doesn't matter, He has to say it out loud.

[Botany]

13. Call your Senators and Congressperson and demand that Trump be removed

Trump has admitted to Russia help his election.

Trump has admitted to knowing about the Trump Tower meeting w/the Russians
Don Jr., Jared, and Manafort.

Trump publicly called for Russia to hack into HRC and the DNC computers.

Trump has acted as if he is a Russian asset too.

[shockey80]

18. I have contacted some of them.

[JI7]

46. and what did they say ?

[emmaverybo]

25. It is these contacts that the House must pursue in their own hearings.

[Botany]

40. 251 is a number that should be on EVERYBODY'S lips

Trump will be impeached in the House and if the GOP senators want to stand w/that
traitor to America fine let 'em.

[not_the_one]

15. Mueller is going to be above this "spectacle"

even if it destroys this country.

Americans have the attention span of a gnat, yet he wants them to read 400+ pages.

Video is god.

Sad.

[obamanut2012]

16. yawn

[shockey80]

20. You won't be yawning if that asshole is re-elected.

[Paladin]

21. Mueller has been a major disappointment. Barr and trump have owned him.

Fuck him and his candy-ass word games. If trump committed crimes, then fucking SAY SO.

[shockey80]

24. Thank you.

Someone else gets it.

[smirkymonkey]

29. +1000

[Hoyt]

41. EXACTLY! Mueller is a wimp, and a disappointment just like Fitzgerald.

[emmaverybo]

23. You should stop. As a combat Marine he saved lives, was wounded, was awarded a medal for bravery.

You can find another way to argue that Mueller should testify. Your tactic is distasteful.

[shockey80]

26. That's your opinion.

My father was a Marine. I was Army. The point I am making is I want to see the Marine that you described. Are you seeing the Marine you described? I'm not.

[emmaverybo]

49. I'm not participating in exploiting Bob Mueller's experience as a combat vet to shame him. I

think that’s unfair. The Vietnam vets were kicked around enough. You can make the same case without implying he’s a discredit to the Marines. He wasn’t and he isn’t.
But he should be subject only to criticism as it pertains to his civilian role of special prosecutor.

[Lulu KC]

55. Thank you n/t

[hlthe2b]

32. Marines still obey 'chain of command', however usatisfying that may be for us

[shockey80]

45. Mueller did follow the chain of command. Right by the book and I tip my hat to him.

It's what he didn't do that is the problem. It had nothing to do with chain of command.

[4139]

33. Mueller doesn't want to testify under oath.... that's not good.

He is afraid, no ands ifs or buts, he’s afraid

I have no idea why but he is

[True Blue American]

47. I think Mueller

Does not want to testify in public. Knowing Gym Jordan, Meadows, Gohmart and others they just want a show so they can rant and scream in public.

Being in the minority kills them.

MSNBC perpetrated a hoax by stating,” Mueller Speaks!”

I apologize.

[EffieBlack]

78. He never said he doesn't want to testify under oath.

[PBC_Democrat]

34. This is not a man who would hide from a fight ...

I think it's very possible that he has a much better understanding of his role in the process than you do.

His resume is not one of someone who would hide.

When you join the USMC, become an officer, complete Army Ranger and Jump school, lead a platoon in combat, win a Bronze Start and a Purple Heart, become one of the top lawyers in the country, and become the Director of the FBI - you'll have standing to criticize his job performance. Until then you're just a voice on the sideline whining that you didn't get the result you hoped for.

I also think that the President needs to go ... but I trust our Congressional leadership to figure out how to that.
(For the record, I think impeachment is the wrong way. A resounding election defeat or being 'forced' not to run again works for me. Remember -- Living well is the best revenge.)

The following is from Mueller's Wikipedia page.

After waiting a year so a knee injury could heal, Mueller was accepted for officer training in the United States Marine Corps in 1968, attending training at Parris Island, Officer Candidate School, Army Ranger School, and Army jump school. Of these, he said later that he considered Ranger School the most valuable because he felt "more than anything teaches you about how you react with no sleep and nothing to eat."[23][24]

In July 1968, he was sent to South Vietnam, where he served as a rifle platoon leader as a second lieutenant with Second Platoon, H Company, 2nd Battalion, 4th Marines, 3rd Marine Division.[11][25] On December 11, 1968, during an engagement in Operation Scotland II, he earned the Bronze Star with "V" device for combat valor for rescuing a wounded Marine under enemy fire during an ambush in which he saw half of his platoon become casualties.[26][27] In April 1969, he received an enemy gunshot wound in the thigh, recovered, and returned to lead his platoon until June 1969.[28] For his service in and during the Vietnam War, his military decorations and awards include: the Bronze Star Medal with Combat "V", Purple Heart Medal, two Navy and Marine Corps Commendation Medals with Combat "V", Combat Action Ribbon, National Defense Service Medal, Vietnam Service Medal with four service stars, Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross, Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal, and Parachutist Badge.

[Hoyt]

42. Oh, bull, John Kerry was a much bigger hero for speaking up about Vietnam atrocities.

[emmaverybo]

51. Pointless to argue degrees of heroism. nt

[Hoyt]

54. Mueller wimped out on us in his investigation, report, and rereading his report last Wednesday.

He might have been a fighter 30 years ago, but he doesn't exhibit much fight or courage now. He won't be the last to fail in his last big project before retiring. Truthfully, he should have hung it up before taking on this investigation.

[emmaverybo]

57. Have you read the report? nt

[Hoyt]

58. I have, and he gave trump cover on conspiracy with Russians, his wishy-washy statements on

obstruction are pitiful, he didn't take the investigation into other areas, he didn't get Manafort or Cohen on anything directly related to the campaign, etc. There is so much he could have said, but he wimped out.



Worse, his statements on Wednesday were almost verbatim what was in his report.

For example, here is what Mueller said Wednesday that caused a lot of people who should have read the report earlier to go "wow, that wasn't in the report":

"And as set forth in the report, after that investigation, if we had had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime, we would have said so. We did not, however, make a determination as to whether the president did commit a crime."


This is what he said in his report Volume 2, page 2 released roughly 45 days ago:

Fourth, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President
clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the
applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment. The evidence we
obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that prevent us from
conclusively determining that no criminal conduct occurred. Accordingly, while this report does
not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.


Then, he said, "Congress you can call me to testify, but I'll just refer you to my report." He's even scared of testifying before Congress.

[emmaverybo]

59. Cover? If he'd given cover, he'd not have presented the facts that make you suspect conspiracy.

[Hoyt]

60. Saying the investigation "did not identify evidence of" collusion/conspiracy is plenty of Cover.

These are just a few examples of the use of the "investigation did not identify evidence" phrase. Dang, he must have had a short-cut to enter all the instances of that phrase in the report.


"The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons conspired or coordinated with the
IRA. Section II of this report details the Office's investigation of the Russian social media
campaign.

The investigation did not identify evidence that any U.S. persons knowingly or intentionally coordinated with the IRA's interference operation.

Finally, the investigation did not identify evidence of a connection between the outreach or the meeting and Russian
interference efforts.

The investigation did not identify evidence that the Campaign passed or received any messages to or from the Russian government through CNI or Simes."



His report was pitiful and obviously partisan, or a half-assed attemp to finalize things so he got paid. In any event, it's hard to argue Mueller went aggressively after trump.

[JI7]

74. John Kerry is a great man and would not want him used to attack Mueller

who he likes and went to high school with.

the bad guys after Trump, barr and republicans in Congress

[Hoyt]

75. So you find Mueller's use of "We did not identify evidence of" 21 times in his report with respect

to Russian interference in the election disturbing.

I darn sure do. I think he wimped out.

If John Kerry feels Mueller performed admirably, I'd like to hear it from him. I know guys I went to school with who are rotting in jail for various crimes.


Here's just one example of the 21 times Mueller used the "did not identify evidence" phrase:

The Office did not identify evidence of a connection between Manafort' s sharing polling data and
Russia's interference in the election, which had already been reported by U.S. media outlets at the
time of the August 2 meeting. The investigation did not establish that Manafort otherwise
coordinated with the Russian government on its election-interference efforts.


That's evidence to me that Mueller rolled over on this one, YMMV.

[emmaverybo]

50. Thank you. This "he's afraid" meme is intentional, meant to assault his character and reputation. nt

[lapucelle]

35. ...

[stillcool]

36. who are you?

You don't know anything about the man. He did his frigging job. I don't get how people can be so nasty towards people they don't know. Why? Does it feel good? Maybe it's the white male privilege thing?

[shockey80]

37. Why do you not recognize his failures would be a better question?

How is this for a failure that no one is talking about. Mueller failed to indict ANYONE for conspiracy. He told us why, people lied, hid evidence. That does not change the fact that he failed. He failed big time because we know people conspired with Russia.

This was a major failure. It's disgusting.

[stillcool]

53. His failures?

not finding concrete evidence is not a failure. What do you want him to make sh*t up? Russia interfered in the various ways outlined in the report. No Trump Campaign person was found to work with Russia in those acts. The campaign benefited, but no proof they did anything else. That doesn't mean other evidence won't be uncovered, with the wider scope of the various investigations that are on-going. Do you think any district attorney that fails to indict because of a lack of evidence is a failure?

[UniteFightBack]

38. It's quite annoying he is playing by the book and the other muthafuckas are burning it. nt

[UniteFightBack]

39. This play by the book attitude is PRECISELY why he was chosen. nt

[JI7]

44. you just post on the internet

[Adsos Letter]

61. Yep.

[shockey80]

62. You must have special powers to say you know what I do or don't do.

The problem is your special powers have failed you.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

76. +1. Keyboard warriors.

[Ferrets are Cool]

48. Have you ever considered that his family is being threatened?

Do not think for one moment that the repugs in power will not use ANY means to keep power. If his family is in danger from some unknown entity, he would have NO choice but to remain quiet and hope that Congress does their job.

Putin has had MANY people killed over the years. Don't say it can't happen here. It has and will again.

[Leghorn21]

52. +++

this scenario was of course 100% unimaginable a few paltry months ago

not anymore

I have come to the conclusion that these mobsters we're dealing with don't even need to have kompromat on their victims, nor do victims necessarily have to owe money or favors to these cutthroat mobsters to be threatened and terrorized by them...a cruel murderer could just send me a letter and tell me to look at a certain website, on which I might see people tortured and brutalized...this website could even - and I'm just spitballing here - have someone look into the camera and say my name, and tick off a list of my family and friends, and tell me to do as they say or else

I suppose the mobster could just send me an email with a video containing the same threats, or send a dvd

it wouldn't be hard to strike terror into someone's life, really - not hard at all

I hope I'm wrong, of course, and that Putin, Trump and their many minions would never do anything like this

[Ferrets are Cool]

63. I can't say that I would put country over family.

I know that sounds very unpatriotic, but if my family was in danger, nothing else would come before it.

That's what the rethugs don't ever stop to think about (that is supposing they think about anything but hating things)....the refugees entering our country are doing so to keep their families safe. Would THEY (repugs) not do the same for their children?????

THEY ARE ALL VILE HYPOCRITES.

[Lulu KC]

56. Thank you

This thought occurred to me. No idea, of course, but there is clearly more here than meets the eye. I believe his integrity.

[Codeine]

64. Internet tough guy says what? nt

[shockey80]

65. Stop attacking other members trouble maker.

[Codeine]

67. Stop attacking Democrats. nt

[shockey80]

68. Mueller is not a Democrat.

I have the right to point out the mistakes he made. If you don't like it, don't read it.

[Codeine]

73. You've been attacking Democrats all over the place for weeks.

I have a right to point out that you’re being absurd and hysterical. If you don’t like it, etc.

[EffieBlack]

77. Seriously

[struggle4progress]

66. "Trump is the problem -- but let's create pointless anger and chaos by attacking Mueller instead!"

[shockey80]

69. The same goes for you, read reply#68

[struggle4progress]

70. Not everyone, who disagrees with me about this or that, is a shameless partisan

[mia]

71. I don't understand the purpose of your post.

I understand your anger, but focusing on what you think is wrong with Mueller is somewhat of a red herring.

Mueller is not the enemy. From what I've observed, he represents the values that are internalized by all ethical and moral Marines.

WHAT ARE THE MARINE CORPS VALUES?

Honor This is the bedrock of our character. It is the quality that empowers Marines to exemplify the ultimate in ethical and moral behavior: to never lie, cheat, or steal; to abide by an uncompromising code of integrity; to respect human dignity; and to have respect and concern for each other. It represents the maturity, dedication, trust, and dependability that commit Marines to act responsibly, be accountable for their actions, fulfill their obligations, and hold others accountable for their actions.

Courage The heart of our Core Values, courage is the mental, moral, and physical strength ingrained in Marines that sees them through the challenges of combat and the mastery of fear, and to do what is right, to adhere to a higher standard of personal conduct, to lead by example, and to make tough decisions under stress and pressure. It is the inner strength that enables a Marine to take that extra step.

Commitment This is the spirit of determination and dedication within members of a force of arms that leads to professionalism and mastery of the art of war. It promotes the highest order of discipline for unit and self and is the ingredient that instills dedication to Corps and country 24 hours a day, pride, concern for others, and an unrelenting determination to achieve a standard of excellence in every endeavor. Commitment is the value that establishes the Marine as the warrior and citizen others strive to emulate.

https://www.hqmc.marines.mil/hrom/New-Employees/About-the-Marine-Corps/Values/

[UTUSN]

72. This is disrespectfully wrong.