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TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 09:14 AM Jun 2019

"An ironclad case"...describe it.

Pelosi’s saying we shouldn’t proceed without an ironclad case that will cause Republicans to wake up. Sounds a lot like the “epiphany” talk from a certain candidate to me. So, posters who think she’s right about this, what ironclad case do you see that could result in Republicans voting for impeachment?

If you don’t think such a case exists, then why shouldn’t Democrats do the right thing and hold Trump accountable for his wrong doings? (And I’ve heard the “he’ll play the victim” stuff...but he’s been doing that anyway so whatever)

As far as I’m can see, there is no case that would cause Republicans to wake up and realize they’ve been backing a madman. I think they’re completely aware of it and OK with it.

I don’t want to hear our elected representatives on TV or in statements or whatever going on and on about how bad this guy is if they aren’t going to use the power they have to do something about it. If you think he’s done impeachable things, then act on it.

If lying about a blowjob ends in impeachment...how much more should Trumps actions?

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"An ironclad case"...describe it. (Original Post) TCJ70 Jun 2019 OP
Maybe they mean having recordings of him telling people "Hey, let's do crime!". nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jun 2019 #1
I'm not sure even that would turn Republicans...n/t TCJ70 Jun 2019 #5
Here's what an ironclad case looks like to me: ok_cpu Jun 2019 #2
Gee...that would be ironclad... TCJ70 Jun 2019 #3
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ok_cpu

(2,052 posts)
2. Here's what an ironclad case looks like to me:
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 09:58 AM
Jun 2019

Let's suppose:

All of our intelligence and federal law enforcement agencies agreed that the intelligence branch of a foreign military had a clear preference in the presidential election and actively worked to influence the election in favor of their chosen candidate

That the candidate's party platform, and administration policies, have been shaped to favor that foreign power

That there were multiple indictments as a result of the evidence of that influence

That the chosen candidate's campaign committee and other surrogates had hundreds of documented contacts with that foreign government or their cutouts

That they lied and covered up those contacts, resulting in many more indictments and convictions

That a bipartisan appointed Special Counsel said that he couldn't find evidence to confirm or clear the president of conspiracy for all of the influence and contacts because of all of the lying and obstruction

That the bipartisan appointed Special Counsel said "I'm forbidden by policy to indict the president, and since I can't indict him, I can't give an opinion that he committed crimes because he won't get his day in court. But, if I believe that he didn't commit crimes, I will say so..."

That the president was an unnamed / un-indicted co-conspirator in a scheme to commit fraud in order to influence the election

That the president has propped up dictatorships in contradiction to his own country, to the benefit of the same foreign power

That the president accepts foreign influence in the form of payments funneled through his various family businesses, and shapes policy toward that influence

That the president ignored the law and built internment camps along the border for human beings coming to America for asylum

That the president intentionally separated children from their parents

That the president has no discernible policy or ability for returning those children to their family

That one, no four, no six - just to be fair - children died while in those internment camps

That the president has codified discrimination and hatred, regularly referring to non-straight, white, males as "animals", "nasty" "shit-holes"

That the president has sacrificed the most vulnerable in favor of the most privileged

That the president has compromised the safety of the country by leaving key cabinet positions vacant, or filling them with unqualified sycophants

That the president has harmed producers and consumers with baffling, damaging, and poorly constructed economic policies

I know that's a very high bar, but if those conditions were to come to be, I would expect the House to begin impeachment hearings immediately and force all members of Congress to go on the record condemning, defending, or failing to stand up to this absolute fucking abomination in the white house.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
3. Gee...that would be ironclad...
Sat Jun 1, 2019, 10:29 AM
Jun 2019

...it’d be a shame if we ever got to this point.

Hey! Wait a minute...

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