For those who still doubt climate change here is an article

[shraby]

that should convince anyone. It's about the Northwest Passage we learned about in high school.

https://geology.com/articles/northwest-passage.shtml



(I've been reading about the coming climate change since the 1970s.)

[MyOwnPeace]

1. Great post......

I'd like to think that you are "preaching to the choir" here, but still, a little knowledge never hurt anyone, right?

[tymorial]

2. Anyone here who is in denial on climate change is on the wrong site

Great article regardless.

[shraby]

3. Pass the link on to the non-believers in your contacts.

[tymorial]

4. I don't associate with Riff Raff

[shraby]

6. Then post it where it will do some good.

Calling names isn't helpful.

[TNNurse]

5. Read where there are those who are excited about the

"improvement" of the Northwest Passage. They are happy. Also remember that in Russia near the Arctic Circle recently it was 84F. I believe the F there stand for something besides Fahrenheit .... like Fucking scary.

[shraby]

7. It will cause clashes between countries, but is proof positive of climate change.

If you google landslide youtube videos, you'll run across a video that shows a slow moving combination of land and water in China, if I remember right. It's moving like slow moving lava which you can walk faster than it's going over fairly flat land. It is caused by the perma frost melting and the land sliding over and in the liquid from the melted perma frost.

It's mind boggling.

[Perseus]

8. Very informative but it reads as it is a good thing for the economy

I was going to send it but their conclusions of who benefits and the fact that it will save money, make routs easier....I don't know, I would think that any climate denier will see the good things about it, and dismiss the fact that it is not very good news.

[shraby]

11. It will save money, but will also save a lot of pollution going into the air coming

from ships going the long way around from Europe to our west coast and same for China, Russia, India, Japan, going to our east coast.

[Blue_true]

16. You expressed my concern. Some will see the passage opening as a good thing and will push

that to the ignorant.

[Poiuyt]

9. This article provides strong evidence that climate change is occurring, but does not

prove that it's caused by man. If you want better evidence that mankind and the burning of fossil fuels is behind the warming of our planet, read up on carbon isotopes and how the ratios of the different carbon isotopes have changed since the beginning of the industrial revolution. That will prove that this period of warming is not due to natural cycles or anything else that the skeptics like to use.

[shraby]

10. To me, that part is a given. The main thing that has changed in the last hundred or so years

is the advent of

1. The largest wars to date, WWII and the use of different classes of weapons.

2. Smaller wars using even different weapons.

3. The industrial age.

4. Mass use of cars, trains, airplanes, ships using wood, coal, nuclear for power. and airplane fuel.

5. Houses heated with wood, then coal, then oil, then electricity and pellets.

6. Nuclear/Hydrogen weapons of super mass destruction.

7. The vast deforestation world wide.

8. The space race with an unknown number of satellites heading to circle the planet . It's the fuel used
each time.

9. I observe with more population than there has ever been, it will take a hugely concentrated
effort world wide to turn this ship around.

[tclambert]

12. In grade school we laughed at Henry Hudson trying to find the "fabled Northwest Passage."

Even we schoolchildren knew the Arctic Ocean was covered with ice year round. You could bash your way through with a really strong icebreaker, or you could sail under the ice in a nuclear submarine. The first nuclear submarine, the Nautilus, sailed under the ice of the North Pole in August of 1958. That was in the "heat" of the summertime.

Now they talk about the summer, coming not too many years from now, when the Arctic Ocean will be totally ice free.

[shraby]

14. I don't think the young'uns have even heard of the Northwest Passage, let alone know it's

importance in being ice free. I already has been navigable in the summer.

[humbled_opinion]

13. Sadly they don't even want to

try and slow it down, that is how bad it is.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/energy-environment/2018/12/11/arctic-is-even-worse-shape-than-you-realize/?utm_term=.a842ba68f6be

[peggysue2]

15. The middle of this month temperatures reported near the entrance to . . .

Arctic Ocean clocked in at 84 degrees. Positively balmy!

Also reading The Uninhabitable Earth by David Wallace-Wells. Wallace-Wells is a journo who has written extensively on environmental issues and climate change. The climate change stats are terrifying enough but the predictions--getting more grim with the passage of time--are mind-boggling. Everything we know and recognize is at risk: our coastlines, our agriculture, our energy sources, water supplies, economy, our very lives and the future of our species.

The book grew out of an article written in the New Yorker in 2017. The first line of that article reads:

"If your anxiety about global warming is dominated by fears of sea-level rise, you are barely scratching the surface of what terrors are possible."

A very sobering read, one that should be poured into the heads of climate deniers.