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Fascinating Jared Yates Sexton thread (20 tweets) on Trump's mental illness (Original Post) highplainsdem May 2019 OP
definitely worth the read RT Atlanta May 2019 #1
Every single time I see him DENVERPOPS May 2019 #13
cabinet meeting RT Atlanta May 2019 #29
All of his tweets are just so heartfelt and personal... FM123 May 2019 #2
I know that feeling too well. My husband was a malignant narcissist. Grasswire2 May 2019 #27
Wow. I sincerely hope that is in the past now and you are no longer having to endure FM123 May 2019 #28
Are we allowed to post the thread reader app? Here goes rurallib May 2019 #3
Thanks! Yes, it's okay to post that. highplainsdem May 2019 #4
Thanks, this is helpful. JudyM May 2019 #5
I can attest to everything said here lunatica May 2019 #7
My deepest sympathies rurallib May 2019 #8
Thank you lunatica May 2019 #9
Same here. Finally got out when he traded me in for a younger model. SammyWinstonJack May 2019 #19
I got out by leaving the country lunatica May 2019 #21
I can so relate to this. smirkymonkey May 2019 #10
This is shades of my childhood. Delmette2.0 May 2019 #20
He is also a SOCIOPATH.....there ain't no way around that. nt UniteFightBack May 2019 #24
K&R Solly Mack May 2019 #6
K&R Kurt V. May 2019 #11
It's true that some people are relating to this in a personal way FakeNoose May 2019 #12
Very important thread cp May 2019 #14
K&R gademocrat7 May 2019 #15
My ex-husband radical noodle May 2019 #16
symptoms of sex on the wrong brain, mixing reproductive urges with mathematics and logic certainot May 2019 #17
Presidents should be screened for alzheimers/ dementia. zonkers May 2019 #18
Very good. I don't agree about the alexithymia but I understand his point. nolabear May 2019 #22
the thing we don't know but perhaps can assume is his father was an abuser dixiegrrrrl May 2019 #23
True dat. I also read his mother had little to do with him. nolabear May 2019 #25
Well articulated. Beakybird May 2019 #26

RT Atlanta

(2,517 posts)
1. definitely worth the read
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:22 AM
May 2019

Really interesting perspective on abuse and what he sees in donnie t and his treatment of anyone/everyone around him.

DENVERPOPS

(8,838 posts)
13. Every single time I see him
Fri May 24, 2019, 12:29 PM
May 2019

I swear, every single time I see Trump and his minions going on and on defensively about what someone has said against him, I think: Hit a nerve, huh!!!!!!

My other thought at the same time is an old quote (shakespeare??): "Me thinks thou doth protest too much"

This defense of his temper tantrum and all his sycophants singing his accolades reminds me of the video of him in a cabinet meeting and everyone at the table, one by one, had to shower him with their praises........it was truly nauseating.......

RT Atlanta

(2,517 posts)
29. cabinet meeting
Sat May 25, 2019, 01:47 PM
May 2019

that cabinet meeting example of the group fellation you mention was straight out of kim jong whatever's political theater and his group of 'yes' men.

FM123

(10,053 posts)
2. All of his tweets are just so heartfelt and personal...
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:31 AM
May 2019

This one really stood out because so many mornings we Americans wake up wondering what kind of crazy that so-called president is going to be up to today...

It makes me sad to see the country resemble the abusive households of my youth. Every day we worry what mood the president will be in, whether it's a bad day or if we'll just be left alone. I've talked to other survivors and the memories are visceral, palpable.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
27. I know that feeling too well. My husband was a malignant narcissist.
Sat May 25, 2019, 01:15 AM
May 2019

The first week we were married he picked a fight with me and called me a "dumb broad" -- I was so young and naive I didn't even know what that was, but knew it was something bad. I packed up the sterling silver and went home to my mom, on the bus. She sent me back to him. And every day for twenty years I had that knot in my stomach. That "what will he be mad about today?" knot.

FM123

(10,053 posts)
28. Wow. I sincerely hope that is in the past now and you are no longer having to endure
Sat May 25, 2019, 08:42 AM
May 2019

that kind of cruelty & manipulation that only a narcissist can inflict.

rurallib

(62,431 posts)
3. Are we allowed to post the thread reader app? Here goes
Fri May 24, 2019, 10:40 AM
May 2019

Someone tell me if we can't and I will delete.

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I've written about this extensively in my new book The Man They Wanted Me To Be, but it's really important to get this out: Trump's behavior with Pelosi completely reflects the cycle of abuse that myself and other survivors have endured. 1/

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It's a really unpleasant thing to endure and it brings up some very awful memories from my childhood, where I was systematically physically and emotionally abused by insecure and unwell men. Unfortunately, the president is an insecure and unwell man, the Abuser-in-Chief. 2/

The cycle is very simple. When an insecure man is threatened, he'll lash out. This can be verbally or physically. It can be a dressing down, a verbal tirade, the throwing of things, or a beating. Then, after it's over, he'll try and make good or question the abusee's reality. 3/


Trump calling Pelosi "crazy" yesterday was really, really triggering. I've seen, time and again, abusive men calling the women they abuse crazy, calling into question what they endured, what I watched happen. It's almost as bad as the actual abuse because it fractures reality. 4/

Trump having his staff corroborate his version of events is something that happens all the time. I've been made to corroborate events I knew to be false simply because I was a frightened and intimidated child. It was...jarring to watch it happen on the national stage 5/

How this happens is pretty complicated and a lot to process. It begins with childhood, where men are systematically abused themselves in an effort to "toughen them up." By telling boys they can't have emotions they're actually being emotionally abused in the process. 6/

The message that's being sent though is that anyone who has emotions, in this case women, are irrational. That means that men own rationality and reality and that anytime a woman questions your reality she's being "crazy" or irrational, which is what happened with Pelosi. 7/

As I chronicle in THE MAN THEY WANTED ME TO BE, traditional masculinity is a lie. Nobody can repress their emotions. But they can pretend and pretend until eventually men develop what's called alexithymia, which is a terrible emotional condition where they lose ability. 8/
With alexithymia men lose the ability to understand their own emotions, they lose the ability to understand other's emotions, which leads to them being "crazy" or "irrational." They often lose the frame for their own emotional outbursts and ability to understand their actions. 9/

Watching Donald Trump, it's not hard to imagine he suffers from alexithymia. Obviously he doesn't understand his own outbursts and has no frame for the things he says and does. When he's questioned he lashes out. In this case, maybe he believed he was calm, but he's lost. 10/

When men behave this way, those around them only have a few options. You either submit to their worldview or face vicious abuse. You see men around Trump who kowtow in fear constantly. That's part of this cycle. With Pelosi, unfortunately, Trump isn't going to stop. 11/

As part of socialization men are taught the only acceptable expressions are anger and violence. What we're seeing with Trump is all his range of emotions. Pelosi challenged him and so he lashed out. He questioned her sanity and has even promoted fake videos to prove his point 12/

To anyone who's been abused, Trump is the embodiment of this cycle. He brags incessantly while he's obviously pathetically insecure. Anyone who even dares question him is ostracized and attacked, belittled because he's afraid. He's really, really pathetic. 13/

It makes me sad to see the country resemble the abusive households of my youth. Every day we worry what mood the president will be in, whether it's a bad day or if we'll just be left alone. I've talked to other survivors and the memories are visceral, palpable. 14/

Yesterday, as I heard him line up staff to back up his twisted memories, I felt like I was four years old all over again, an angry and dangerous man lording over me and demanding loyalty or else promising violence. You don't shake that, and unfortunately that's where we are. 15/

The truth is, Trump is unwell. Mentally, yes, but emotionally it's undeniable. He's the embodiment of toxic masculinity and is so far gone there's no reaching him. This is an abusive relationship, an abusive situation we're living through, and he simply knows no other way 16/

We're going to keep seeing this cycle repeat itself until he's out of office and we're going to be living with the ghosts of it. Survivors of abuse carry their abuse with them the rest of their lives. I certainly do, and to get better you have to recognize the abuse as abuse. 17/

Listening to shows last night call it maneuvering just hid the true nature of this. It isn't politics, it's personal, one-on-one abuse, and if we don't recognize it we're not going to escape it or understand it. There are many, many layers to this and simplifying worsens it. 18/

A large reason why Trump enjoys the devotion he does is because the people supporting him are locked into unhealthy cycles of abuse. They've been victims too and they become locked in with his abuse. It happens all the time. And to get past it we must recognize it. 19/

In the meantime, as a survivor of abuse, I can tell you this: reach out to anyone you know who is a survivor. These are really, really trying times that reawaken the scars of abuse. Everyday the president perpetuates a new dose of abuse and it takes a powerful toll. 20/20

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
7. I can attest to everything said here
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:27 AM
May 2019

My abuser was my husband and it’s a long story like it is for every abused person. Suffice it to say you live in a constant state of hyper vigilance, forever ready to throw your arms up in the only way you can protect yourself. Sometimes relieved that the abuse was only verbal that day. It’s exhausting, dehumanizing, and it leaves you with PTSD, wondering if and when the abuse will go too far.



rurallib

(62,431 posts)
8. My deepest sympathies
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:35 AM
May 2019

I had an acquaintance who went through this. When I met her she had long since left her husband, but the memory was so bad that she burst into tears when our conversation turned to talk of spousal abuse.

Until the moment she started crying I had no idea she had been abused. She expressed the very same descriptions that you list.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
9. Thank you
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:40 AM
May 2019

You describe it perfectly. It did make me a lot stronger and tougher though. People who know me are invariably surprised that I was ever victimized. It took work to get strong from it though.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
21. I got out by leaving the country
Fri May 24, 2019, 01:32 PM
May 2019

It was my baby son who gave me the strength to escape. I grew up in Mexico as a US citizen. It was my home but I left it to come to the US to get away from him. I was much more protected here by laws even though this was back in the 1970s.

Delmette2.0

(4,168 posts)
20. This is shades of my childhood.
Fri May 24, 2019, 01:23 PM
May 2019

Unfortunately the last few years of my adulthood caring for a parent. Granted not nearly as bad, but it seems to start with low self-esteem and their own childhood abuse.

Thank you for your post.

FakeNoose

(32,659 posts)
12. It's true that some people are relating to this in a personal way
Fri May 24, 2019, 12:20 PM
May 2019

However I believe that Nancy Pelosi is not allowing herself to be abused, nor will she be a victim of Chump's mental/emotional problems.

For Speaker Pelosi this isn't a personal dilemma, but she is required to tread carefully through this landmine field. When she says "I'm praying for the President of the United States" I think people get it. This is more than just a Constitutional exercise and there's a lot more at stake than "How do we undo this mess?"

Know what folks? I'm praying for Speaker Pelosi.

cp

(6,641 posts)
14. Very important thread
Fri May 24, 2019, 12:33 PM
May 2019

He's describing a deep psychological truth that affects all of us. We look forward to the day that our psyches no longer have to deal with the daily poison of the orange bloat. Little by little, day by day, we take our lives back and heal.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
17. symptoms of sex on the wrong brain, mixing reproductive urges with mathematics and logic
Fri May 24, 2019, 01:11 PM
May 2019

he's learned to compensate for incapacitating fear and insecurity with denial and rationalization, like limbaugh

where numbers are done reproductive urges stimulate greed - more bigger faster.....

where logic is done sex energy wants finality, premature conclusion, certainty. in a complicated world people with severe sowb freak out unless they can escape into their own reality or someone else's reality, like a religion

most right handed people have some sowb because 90% of the population is right handed and after humans began delaying the age of reproduction a few thousand years ago (for some) most learned sex with the sword and hammer hand, especially the males.

nothing is certain and the need for it creates anxiety and fear. humans use order, control, religion, simplification, etc to reduce uncertainty and create certainty, such as with binary value systems - yes no, right wrong, black white, etc resulting in racism, nationalism, etc. authoritarianism is measured with the uncertainty avoidance index, or UAI. the irrational need for certainty is a defining characteristic of authoritarianism.

women have less sowb in general due mainly to anatomical differences and the disparity causes men to view women as sources of uncertainty to be controlled, maybe even feared, resulting in institutionalized misogyny and paternalism, etc

trump got it bad and there might be a genetic aspect. he may have reached a point of paralyzing fear and learned to create certainty on his own as opposed to getting it from religion, etc. in that scenario he makes up a lie or triggers emotion with racism for eg, and logic has learned to automatically rationalize it by connecting to the starved right side, releasing sex energy that finally escapes to the pleasure centers.

certainty is the currency of power. his followers have bad cases of sowb too. his ability to simplify and reduce the complex and infinite helps them control the uncertainty, rationalize the certainty, and ease the fear. chaos makes him more attractive to him.

that's the secret of authoritarian power.

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
22. Very good. I don't agree about the alexithymia but I understand his point.
Fri May 24, 2019, 01:45 PM
May 2019

I think 45 might have a little thought about his emotional outbursts but not much. He has such a deep narcissistic problem that he only sees things as they relate to him. If they serve him, good. If not, evil. And it can spin on a dime. He couldn't care less about anyone else's reasons, desires, fears, etc. except in how they can serve his need to be "great." Everything feeds that maw. He'll say anything and do anything, and it's so far from what a normal human being thinks and feels that we are perpetually knocked off our pins. And that harms us, and serves him well.

Yes, he absolutely gaslights. He's a classic abuser. He glides along on the surface of what makes us human like a shark glides through the water, only focused on what he can glean. The rest of the GOP are like the remora, grabbing up the bits he leaves and clinging to him, letting his trajectory replace theirs as long as they can feed too.

I think this is going to come to a very bad end for him and for all those little clinging remora. And I come as close as I ever come to praying that we become coherent enough to starve him and stop him before there's not enough left of us to recover.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
23. the thing we don't know but perhaps can assume is his father was an abuser
Fri May 24, 2019, 05:51 PM
May 2019

Children of chaotic abusive homes learn to do the same behavior, as a rule.

trump's narcissism, his insatiable need for approval, did not develop in a void.

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
25. True dat. I also read his mother had little to do with him.
Fri May 24, 2019, 11:55 PM
May 2019

She apparently just had no interest. I’d feel bad for him but I can’t afford to.

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