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Yavin4

(35,445 posts)
Wed May 1, 2019, 10:29 AM May 2019

The Republicans are nakedly grabbing power to further their agenda while the Democrats...

fervently want to return to some sort of "normalcy". At some point, the Democratic congressional leadership has to understand that there is no return to normalcy.

What needs to be done today is the creation of a select committee in the House to investigate the president. You don't have to call it "impeachment". Call it whatever you want. But that committee needs to be raining subpoenas on the White House like a tsunami. If Trump wants to fight them all in court, so be it. Dare him to. But if people don't comply, order their arrest. Call Trump's bluff.

Not standing up to Trump will weaken efforts to replace him in 2020. Don't rely on presidential election polling data a 18 months ahead of the election as comfort. Take more aggressive action now or risk losing big in 2020.

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The Republicans are nakedly grabbing power to further their agenda while the Democrats... (Original Post) Yavin4 May 2019 OP
My sentiments exactly. KPN May 2019 #1
I've thought this for months D_Master81 May 2019 #2
THIS. BlueWI May 2019 #33
Dems have a history of bringing a casserole to a gun fight. tavernier May 2019 #3
Great expression! FailureToCommunicate May 2019 #5
good comment NewJeffCT May 2019 #7
Pelosi actually tweeted today about having a "constructive" meeting with Trump about infrastructure Maven May 2019 #4
Democrats can multitask. forgotmylogin May 2019 #6
They're responding to five alarm fire with a wet towel. Texin May 2019 #10
And waiting for 2020 (for justice)is filled with it's own Laura PourMeADrink May 2019 #8
The Dems have got to go toe-to-toe with tRump and call his bluff. Texin May 2019 #9
Sobering and succinct Ponietz May 2019 #11
The Republicans have been out dugog55 May 2019 #12
THIS! BigOleDummy May 2019 #16
+1000 Newt grabbed the nascent live TV coverage of congress and thus began GOP dominance of media Cetacea May 2019 #22
"Until dems wake up it will continue to be a losing battle." FiveGoodMen May 2019 #32
Excellent post... Sogo May 2019 #24
Come on DownriverDem May 2019 #13
Just because people are craving normalcy BlueWI May 2019 #34
Agreed. Moostache May 2019 #14
I agree totally. BigOleDummy May 2019 #15
Thanos vs the Boy Scouts playaseeker May 2019 #17
I will not pay taxes to an unlawful government Ponietz May 2019 #18
I think we are underestimating our leadership... LakeArenal May 2019 #19
Thank you for the upbeat message. saidsimplesimon May 2019 #21
K & R Duppers May 2019 #20
Normalcy is out. Gone forever. Harker May 2019 #23
Hear, hear. n/t SpankMe May 2019 #25
Not standing up to trump will weaken more than just weaken efforts to replace him. calimary May 2019 #26
I think you have a good set of points. Chin music May 2019 #27
Exactly, you don't return to normalcy until you defeat the enemy and end the war. pdsimdars May 2019 #28
Today's Republicans moondust May 2019 #29
A powerful OP, Yavin4! Anon-C May 2019 #30
Not standing up to the Republicans is a huge mistake. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2019 #31

KPN

(15,649 posts)
1. My sentiments exactly.
Wed May 1, 2019, 10:38 AM
May 2019

Well said.

In response to me telling her about Mueller's letter to Barr, my wife actually said to me this morning: "blah, blah, blah. Who cares. I'm done with all that. Do something and stop talking." I know she won't totally disengage and not vote in the primary and GE, but I can't help but wonder how many feel like her, and how many of those will sit out 2020 as a consequence of no real action.

D_Master81

(1,822 posts)
2. I've thought this for months
Wed May 1, 2019, 10:43 AM
May 2019

The Republicans know the clock is ticking on their time and they are doing everything they can to hold on to it and further a far right wing agenda. Meanwhile the Dems are sitting around trying to look calm and normal when calm and normal is losing. At some point we need to wake up! They blocked a rightfully nominated judge from the SC. They then blew up the process and went "nuclear" to get their guy in. This is just 1 instance, there are many more.

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
33. THIS.
Wed May 1, 2019, 08:46 PM
May 2019

Urgency is needed. Normalcy is history, whatever we thought it was. We have to gear up to win in a new era in politics

tavernier

(12,396 posts)
3. Dems have a history of bringing a casserole to a gun fight.
Wed May 1, 2019, 10:48 AM
May 2019

This isn’t the time for a picnic. Americans want straight answers NOW.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
4. Pelosi actually tweeted today about having a "constructive" meeting with Trump about infrastructure
Wed May 1, 2019, 11:04 AM
May 2019

I nearly fell out of my chair.

They are addicted to the idea of projecting normalcy and "business as usual". They can't let it go. It's mesmerizing and infuriating to watch.

forgotmylogin

(7,530 posts)
6. Democrats can multitask.
Wed May 1, 2019, 11:09 AM
May 2019

The business still has to get done despite all the drama happening.

If they don't go to the table and make their input known, McDonald does whatever-the-hell he feels like without them on record.

Texin

(2,597 posts)
10. They're responding to five alarm fire with a wet towel.
Wed May 1, 2019, 11:28 AM
May 2019

We are in the god damned middle of a Constitutional crisis and they propose a Tupperware party?

Christ on a crutch. When did Nancy begin to think that tRump can have a "constructive" meeting with anyone except Putin? If after watching the single most destructive creature in U.S. history for the last three or so years now she hasn't gotten a clue what needs to be done, we're doomed. Stick a fork in us. We're dead.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
8. And waiting for 2020 (for justice)is filled with it's own
Wed May 1, 2019, 11:17 AM
May 2019

peril. No reason to believe that TRussia won't rig again.

Texin

(2,597 posts)
9. The Dems have got to go toe-to-toe with tRump and call his bluff.
Wed May 1, 2019, 11:20 AM
May 2019

The price for not doing so will make the 2020 *election irrelevant if the rethugs can cram down more of their rightwing policies and Federal judges and other appointments. They will have ensured a virtually permanent minority ruling class in this country for several generations, and perhaps rendered a mortal wound to the very Constitution itself. tRump must be stopped. McConnell must be stopped. They need to be exposed and forced out of their positions of power by whatever means necessary.

dugog55

(296 posts)
12. The Republicans have been out
Wed May 1, 2019, 11:35 AM
May 2019

of control since Bill Clinton was President. It is no coincidence that this all occurred after the "Fairness Doctrine" was no longer enforced. The Conservatives then took control of the messaging via hate radio and later Fox News and YouTube shows. They pumped their lies out 24/7 and they became the norm. The Politicians followed suit with outright hatred of Obama. When did you ever hear the Senate majority leader say immediately after an election his goal was to make Obama a one term President and fight every bill he supported. The Repubs also had plans to impeach Hillary as soon as she took office if she won the election, and McConnell has stated he will oppose everything a Democrat proposes if Trump loses this next election.

We need to clean house, start impeachment proceedings against anyone that is not following his oath of office or is committing obstruction and get them out. Winning the Senate and Presidency back next election is of utmost importance if the United States is not going to fall into a rapidly approaching Fascist State.

Cetacea

(7,367 posts)
22. +1000 Newt grabbed the nascent live TV coverage of congress and thus began GOP dominance of media
Wed May 1, 2019, 12:31 PM
May 2019

Until dems wake up it will continue to be a losing battle.

DownriverDem

(6,231 posts)
13. Come on
Wed May 1, 2019, 11:39 AM
May 2019

They know that. They also know the country is craving for normalcy. They are following the legal steps one at a time. I think that's a good thing. The American people believe that no one is above the law. They are standing up to trump through the law. That's how it's done. Besides you have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.

BlueWI

(1,736 posts)
34. Just because people are craving normalcy
Wed May 1, 2019, 08:50 PM
May 2019

doesn't make normalcy is achievable.

There is currently a presidency with a clear history and willingness to ignore the law and cultivate foreign influence in our democracy, with significant Republican collusion.

How do you go from that to normal?

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
14. Agreed.
Wed May 1, 2019, 11:40 AM
May 2019

Fight now, like goddamn honey badgers or lose in 2020 like a whipped cur.
And if the party does NOT fight now, we deserve to be whipped...

BigOleDummy

(2,272 posts)
15. I agree totally.
Wed May 1, 2019, 11:42 AM
May 2019

WE are letting them have the drivers wheel and putting too much hope and faith in 2020. We KNOW Russia will be helping the repuglicans, we know it!, and yet...……. what do we do? Civility and SOP are things of the past now. Our Country is in full blown crisis mode and yet...……… smh

Ponietz

(3,001 posts)
18. I will not pay taxes to an unlawful government
Wed May 1, 2019, 12:02 PM
May 2019

and am considering whether to endure a lengthy prison term if it comes to that.

LakeArenal

(28,835 posts)
19. I think we are underestimating our leadership...
Wed May 1, 2019, 12:11 PM
May 2019

I think that they have a strategy. As the public are generally bad at discretion, I think they are holding their cards to their chest.

Primaries are going well, Repukes continue to show America who they are. Dump’s numbers going on the right direction. People angry over their tax returns.
Party remains united in quest to dethrone the tyrant.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
21. Thank you for the upbeat message.
Wed May 1, 2019, 12:28 PM
May 2019

Our leadership better have a plan and coordinated grass roots support for it. I will not simply "hope for the best" when trust but verify is a better motto.

Harker

(14,030 posts)
23. Normalcy is out. Gone forever.
Wed May 1, 2019, 12:32 PM
May 2019

Couldn't agree more.

Trumpskyism needs to be yanked out down to the roots.

calimary

(81,429 posts)
26. Not standing up to trump will weaken more than just weaken efforts to replace him.
Wed May 1, 2019, 12:58 PM
May 2019

It will weaken or flat out destroy the Constitutional separation of powers, the integrity of our institutions, and the whole idea of accountability.

Chin music

(23,002 posts)
27. I think you have a good set of points.
Wed May 1, 2019, 01:00 PM
May 2019

This last two years has been a carnival. Not the Country I grew up in and swore to protect.

moondust

(20,002 posts)
29. Today's Republicans
Wed May 1, 2019, 01:13 PM
May 2019

really like their new Trumputin-led Theocratic Plutofascism in which they no longer have to pretend to serve "The People" to get themselves elected and become fabulously rich and powerful.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,879 posts)
31. Not standing up to the Republicans is a huge mistake.
Wed May 1, 2019, 01:21 PM
May 2019

Obama, sadly, made that mistake any number of times, not the least of which was letting the Republicans get away with not considering his nominee for the Supreme Court. Between assuming Hillary would win the election, and simply not saying every single day that the R's weren't doing their job, look at what we got.

any assumption that our nominee will automatically win in 2020 is foolish. And even if our person does win, we can't let two more years of this crap continue unchallenged.

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