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TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 10:58 AM Apr 2019

Up to 704 measles cases now. That's after it was "eliminated"...

I had measles and mumps when I was a kid. We all did, and never thought it was any big deal.

It seems we were wrong, and lucky. But we didn't have the vaccines back in the '50s. At the time, the Salk vaccine was just coming out and we all knew someone with polio, which was a big deal.

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Up to 704 measles cases now. That's after it was "eliminated"... (Original Post) TreasonousBastard Apr 2019 OP
"Eliminated", NOT ERADICATED in the Americas. (only smallpox has been eradicated) hlthe2b Apr 2019 #1
bedbugs, measles . . . Rambling Man Apr 2019 #2
Only through bioterrorism...theft from one of two worldwide labs with stocks remaining (US/Russia) hlthe2b Apr 2019 #3
Should we feel good that US/Russia have viable stocks of smallpox? JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2019 #7
It has been a big area of controversy in terms of whether we should destroy all stocks--since 2011 hlthe2b Apr 2019 #16
If it does, it's easy to stop since there are no natural vectors and... TreasonousBastard Apr 2019 #6
Measles Sgent Apr 2019 #9
Feasible, but far more difficult because of its high level of infectivity and very intense levels hlthe2b Apr 2019 #11
Yeah we're all gonna die. Initech Apr 2019 #4
My Mom was grateful get the red out Apr 2019 #5
Yeah, I got tons of shots. Not for measles, I guess I already survived that disease. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2019 #8
Yeah. Smallpox wasn't a big deal by then, but as newer vaccines came out... TreasonousBastard Apr 2019 #10
NPR story today urged re-vaccination for some adults born in the 1960s, bullwinkle428 Apr 2019 #12
Since I had actual measles back then, the consensus is that I'm OK... TreasonousBastard Apr 2019 #14
I found out that the MMR vaccine wasn't mandatory when I was a kid so chowder66 Apr 2019 #15
Ignorance is powerful and deadly. NightWatcher Apr 2019 #13

hlthe2b

(102,331 posts)
1. "Eliminated", NOT ERADICATED in the Americas. (only smallpox has been eradicated)
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 11:02 AM
Apr 2019

I see a lot of people confusing the two terms...

hlthe2b

(102,331 posts)
3. Only through bioterrorism...theft from one of two worldwide labs with stocks remaining (US/Russia)
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 11:06 AM
Apr 2019

there are no naturally occurring sources of smallpox in the world--hence eradication

Unlike other vaccine-preventable diseases, which require hypervigilance and intense vaccination to increase population (i.e., HERD) immunity to ELIMINATE ongoing spread.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,362 posts)
7. Should we feel good that US/Russia have viable stocks of smallpox?
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 11:21 AM
Apr 2019

One theft, one corrupt sale, one terrorist raid, and the stuff can get loose. Few people get vaccinated for smallpox these days, and the vaccination that we older folks got may have lost some of its effectiveness over the years.

It was a "great" weapon against native Americans in the 1600's, 1700's. It would be a "great" weapon today.

hlthe2b

(102,331 posts)
16. It has been a big area of controversy in terms of whether we should destroy all stocks--since 2011
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 01:20 PM
Apr 2019

In 2011 WHO convened a meeting of Health Ministers throughout the world to discuss destruction of the last remaining stockpiles of the smallpox (variola) virus. The ministers - representing the 193-nation World Health Assembly - voted to review the decision in 2014.

A decision was again postponed by WHO in 2014
http://blogs.nature.com/news/2014/05/who-postpones-decision-on-destruction-of-smallpox-stocks-again.html

One of the World Health Organization’s (WHO) two advisory committees on smallpox supports the stocks’ destruction, and the other opposes it. --snip--

A central question remains whether research of public-health importance is still needed on the virus, or whether the last stocks should be destroyed to eliminate the threat of an accidental release from the two labs where they are held — at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, Georgia, and the Russian State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology in Koltsovo, near Novosibirsk.

--snip--
Although the ACVVR reached a consensus on antivirals, there was considerable debate about this among its members. Some argued, for example, that with two promising drugs — tecovirimat and brincidofovir — close to licensing, virus stocks were no longer needed. Others felt that the virus should be kept in case these drugs failed to get licensed, requiring the development of other compounds.

The AGIES considered the same issues but swung towards virus being no longer needed to develop antivirals — it also suggested that should a future need arise to develop new drugs, live virus could in any case be recreated from viral DNA. The ACVVR is often perceived as being more focused on research interests, and the AGIES on public-health aspects.

By the time the WHO assembly got to discussion of destruction of smallpox stocks, it was near the end of the last day of the meeting. It quickly became clear that there were sharply divided opinions and no consensus, according to Glenn Thomas, a WHO spokesman. The decision to setup a third expert group is intended to bring together a mix of scientists and public-health and other experts to review all the elements of the debate and take the issue forward, says Thomas.

--snip---
Some scientists are also keen for smallpox research using live virus not to be stopped, but continued and expanded. Two members of the ACVVR, Clarissa Damaso, of the Federal University of Rio de Janeiro in Brazil, and Grant McFadden, of the University of Florida in Gainesville, have argued, for example, that the WHO’s restricting of smallpox research to tightly circumscribed public-health applications has limited fundamental research that could advance public health. In an opinion piece published 1 May in the journal PLoS Pathogens, along with Inger Damon, head of the poxvirus and rabies branch of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, Georgia, they argue that: “the research agenda with live variola virus is not yet finished and that significant gaps still remain”.

But the majority of the health ministers of the WHO member states — including those of many poorer countries, who view the risks of an accidental release as outweighing any research benefits — want the stocks of virus destroyed at some point. The question for the WHO assembly is, as always, when? But yet again, it has kicked that can down the road.


As for me, if it can remain secured with the exceedingly tight limitations on access that have been the case for many decades, then I tend to argue with CDC's lead poxvirus researcher (Inger Damon)--that we should exhaust the study needed for related viruses before destroying.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
6. If it does, it's easy to stop since there are no natural vectors and...
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 11:19 AM
Apr 2019

is spread through human contact.

Up through the '70s this was how it was attacked-- segregate the outbreaks and immunize everyone in the area. Eventually, it just got squeezed out.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
9. Measles
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 11:25 AM
Apr 2019

like Smallpox is one of the few diseases that we can eradicate though since it only reproduces in humans. We had done that in N America, and most of Europe, and the WHO was going to expand that...

hlthe2b

(102,331 posts)
11. Feasible, but far more difficult because of its high level of infectivity and very intense levels
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 11:33 AM
Apr 2019

of vaccine or natural infection-induced immunity to produce sufficient herd immunity. CDC has been trying along with WHO and measles was SUPPOSED to follow polio in the worldwide eradication efforts. However, the example of polio has shown us how violent conflict in areas of the world, vaccine safety MISINFORMATION, and apathy, secondary to successful control, have kept this out of our reach.

Initech

(100,097 posts)
4. Yeah we're all gonna die.
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 11:08 AM
Apr 2019

Either by ultra far right psychos or anti vaccination crusaders. Bye everyone, it was nice knowing you!

get the red out

(13,468 posts)
5. My Mom was grateful
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 11:14 AM
Apr 2019

I remember my Mom being very happy that she could take us to get our "shots", we didn't like it, but she would always talk about how so many of the childhood diseases she had in as a child of the the 30s and 40s were ones we didn't have to suffer like she did.

JMO opinion, but I think when the generations who were spared these diseases by vaccination grew up, the possibility of those diseases making a come-back seemed dim. Then the vaccine conspiracies theories came along.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,362 posts)
8. Yeah, I got tons of shots. Not for measles, I guess I already survived that disease.
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 11:24 AM
Apr 2019

My "favorite" vaccinations were when I got drafted. They used some sort of gun, and the vaccines went through the skin just by hydraulic pressure, like from super squirt guns. No needles, but you still knew you were "poked".

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
10. Yeah. Smallpox wasn't a big deal by then, but as newer vaccines came out...
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 11:29 AM
Apr 2019

even schools had the nurse give us all shots. The incredible success of the polio vaccine got everyone on a vaccination push.

I'm sure the anti-vaxers have no idea how bad things were back then.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
12. NPR story today urged re-vaccination for some adults born in the 1960s,
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 11:34 AM
Apr 2019

due to the relative lack of effectiveness compared to today's MMR vaccine. I'm thinking about going to my doctor, as I'm not sure what year I was vaccinated (1964 birth) and what formula I actually received.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/04/29/716894110/measles-shots-arent-just-for-kids-many-adults-could-use-a-booster-too

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
14. Since I had actual measles back then, the consensus is that I'm OK...
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 11:52 AM
Apr 2019

for some reason, natural immunity from having the disease needs no booster.

But, do whatever your doctor says;.

chowder66

(9,074 posts)
15. I found out that the MMR vaccine wasn't mandatory when I was a kid so
Mon Apr 29, 2019, 12:37 PM
Apr 2019

I went to my doctor and they said they needed to test my blood for immunity.
I got my immunity results back and am not immune but now I have to wait 4 weeks to get the MMR shot because I asked for the Shingles vaccine (which I got) not knowing that you can't take another vaccine until 4 weeks later because it could decrease the effectiveness. I'm surrounded by measle breakouts here in Los Angeles and the waiting is stressing me out a bit.

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