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Jeopardy Wasnt Designed for a Contestant Like James Holzhauer
https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2019/04/james-holzhauer-vs-jeopardys-prize-budget-game-show/587668/
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Ken Jennings rose to fame after an unprecedented run on Jeopardy 15 years ago: Over the course of 74 episodes, he won a total of roughly $2.5 million.
Recently, a contestant named James Holzhauer has been working toward Jenningss record at an astonishing pace. After the Friday-evening broadcast of the quiz program, Holzhauer had won about $850,000 over just 12 episodes. If he keeps up that rate, hell reach $2.5 million in less than half the time it took Jennings to do so.
Before Holzhauer went on the show, the most money earned in a single episode of Jeopardy was $77,000. During his 12-episode streak, hes beaten that total not once, but five times, and has set a new record of $131,127. Holzhauers success has been attributed not just to his deep trivia knowledge, but also to his aggressive style of playhe homes in on high-value tiles that might contain Daily Doubles, and then often bets enormous sums when he finds themand his unmatched buzzer-pressing reflexes.
Whatever his method, Holzhauer is far exceeding the shows average single-day winnings, which a Jeopardy fan website calculated to be $19,980. With his sometimes six-figure daily prizes, how much damage is Holzhauer doing to the shows finances?
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Response to this article - James did not pioneer this approach to playing - rules should have changes ages ago requiring players to select questions from lowest to highest.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2019/04/22/jeopardy-winner-james-holzhauer-ken-jennings-record-speaks-out/3537576002/
Ken Jennings 'gobsmacked' by 'Jeopardy!' champ James Holzhauer: 'It's absolutely insane'
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Jennings, who racked up an impressive $2,520,700 during his streak spoke to Wired about the professional sports gambler who won his 12th game on Friday.
"First of all, Im just gobsmacked by James. It's absolutely insane what he's doing," Jennings, who etched his place in the show's history in 2004, said in the Q&A. "I thought I had seen everything on 'Jeopardy!' And this is something I would have thought was just impossible...
"Hes maximizing money. He can make two or three times what any other player ever has with that same level of play, which again is top-shelf," Jennings added. "Hes as good as anybody."
Holzhauer reset his own record of single-game winnings Wednesday with a total for the day of $131,127. As of Friday, the top 5 records for single-game totals are in his name, according to the website for "Jeopardy!"
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Kingofalldems
(38,459 posts)I asked him if he would play against the Jeopardy guy---he said hell to the 10th power no!
CurtEastPoint
(18,650 posts)I have been FFing through the DVR to the end as long as he's on. It takes the fun out of the game.
And I agree: the rules should be tweaked: low to high and also there should be a cap based on $$ or number of appearances. It gets old (to me.)
malaise
(269,061 posts)I love the competition too but I am certainly enjoying this. On the other hand I do feel sorry for his competitors.
They can tweak the rules after Alex leaves.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)I know that others may have differing views, but other than in the tournament games, I've never paid attention to how much money people win. It's a non-starter for me. Like a lot of other people, I like to sort of "play along", see what I know, and I watch it for fun. Seeing every show not just be a runaway, but to get there usually before Double Jeopardy even starts, makes it not fun.
Among other things, I don't like watching the other players get so demoralized (and Alex Trebek doesn't help in this regard, practically taunting new contestants each game; I'd have thought better of him).
Someone will eventually beat him, but they'll have to play it his way to do it. I've never really liked the disruptive style of starting with the high dollar amounts, category jumping, and going on Daily Double hunts, but unfortunately, that may be what we'll end up with in the long run.
I also think they may need to consider whether James is kind of a professional pitted against amateurs and has too much of a built-in advantage. He's a professional game player - makes his money doing sports bets, has been on other game shows, etc. (and his wife was on "Who Wants to be a Millionaire", too). It's like watching the Yankees play a Division III college team.
I can't wait until he loses, but I hope he hasn't spoiled the game for good.
a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)And I love this show.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)But I was wondering about Alex Trebek, how's he doing on the show? I wish him well.
FakeNoose
(32,645 posts)It's been done by lots of other players. The amazing thing is that he knows so much trivia, and his quick recall. Ken Jennings was another player who had encyclopedic knowledge and quick recall. I don't remember if Jennings was a player who went for the high-money squares first, but I don't think he did.
I'm rooting for James as long as his run lasts.
It's been done by lots of other players.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)He was another player I had to stop watching after a few games - nope, I never climbed aboard what he called "the Chu Chu Train". I don't watch Jeopardy to see people win money. It's not at all what the show is about to me.
There's currently a commercial running (I think it's for Progressive Insurance) where they're playing a game show, and one guy has over $2,000,000 in cash and prizes and the other contestants never even ring in; the champion answers questions before they're even asked. That's what Jeopardy is starting to feel like to me.
malaise
(269,061 posts)We don't remember them because they don't win
LisaM
(27,813 posts)The high bets don't bug me as much as the category jumping, though I don't like the way Jeopardy James pretends to shove an imaginary pile of chips forward, that's just annoying, like Austin's mannerisms got to be.
I actually like it when the Daily Double is the last clue on the board, and everyone knows it's coming. I think that's fun to see.
IIRC, some guy wrote a book about that strategy and unhappily, a lot of people employ it now. I don't want Jeopardy stranded in the Dark Ages, but I don't love this aggressiveness. I could look up the name of the book, but I don't want to give the writer the help.
I also think categories have played into James' wheelhouse. One of his first few games, I actually audited Double Jeopardy for Q&As where the answers were male, female, or neutral. I don't have my chart handy, but I think it was 14 male, 13 neutral, 3 female, and the Final Jeopardy was also male. Pretty startling. James has read up on a bunch of known categories, but he might get stymied by fashion or sewing terms, and in the games I've watched him play so far, it's tilted quite heavily towards things that might be considered male or neutral.
Note: I'm not passing judgement on the importance or non-importance of every category, or even trying to state what should be considered masculine or feminine. Mostly, it's whether the answer was a man or a woman. I assigned Civil War Battle Sites into the neutral category, for example. You'd think out of 31 questions, more than three could be famous women.
malaise
(269,061 posts)In reality Jeopardy is trying to keep up with a younger generation who are way more aggressive than generations past. We cannot expect a demonstration of the 'spirit of the game' if rules are not being broken.
I wouldn't play like many of today's players but I wouldn't win either.
As I wrote last week - they will have to change the rules.
Give Austin a break - I did like him.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)I liked Austin quite a bit at first (and I often employ reverse snobbery, rooting for people in what are considered blue collar jobs versus lawyers, doctors, etc.) It was just how he started twirling his hands around and pointing at imaginary stuff!
malaise
(269,061 posts)but there was something very authentic about him.
What is certainly true about James is that a sports gambler beating all in The Chase and now Jeopardy is definitely not your average player. I'm not sure what he will do after this but I'm enjoying his run.
My 90 plenty year old aunt (she's actually our last deceased aunt's best friend from childhood) hates anyone who wins too often. She's been quite grumpy these days.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)I've noticed it in myself, obviously, with very few exceptions, and I don't really have an explanation for it. I wouldn't mind if the Detroit Tigers won 162 games or if my football teams go undefeated!
When you get into the TOC, of course, that kind of goes by the wayside, so I'm glad they have all those side tourneys, though I could do without the really young kids, which is no more entertaining to me that watching children bake cakes on the Food Network.
Say hi to your aunt; glad you have her around and she sounds feisty.
malaise
(269,061 posts)Sometimes I root against tennis players
louis-t
(23,295 posts)I won't watch.
Me.
(35,454 posts)malaise
(269,061 posts)I am enjoying this -big time
Me.
(35,454 posts)Wins his 13th game with over $90,000 - close enough to a million now
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Plus other kids news/fact magazines only.
He's found they have fast summaries on.a vast assortment of trivia. In fact, in light of his success, he's speculated that's where they get most of their questions themselves
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)and Jeopardy!'s rating are going up because of him.
I feel sorry for the challengers though -- they have that "lambs to slaughter" look in their eyes.
However, at the end of the day, someone has to win and he doesn't win by cheating but with a new strategy and phenomenal knowledge.
When I think of the Con and his goons, I have to cheer on honest earnings.
Music Man
(1,184 posts)He's humble (I'm looking at you, Austin Rogers) and matches exciting play with real knowledge. Yes, he bets big and has a strategy for accumulating high-total questions early, but he has the smarts to match it. My academic team, trivia-loving friends from high school are Jeopardy buffs, and we've had a good time discussing him. It's exciting to watch a truly brilliant person play Jeopardy.
I find that when certain players break the game open, they tend to write harder questions, which I appreciate. I am often disappointed when there are lots of gimme questions, including in Final Jeopardy.
I have read that Alex Trebek dislikes when players bounce from category to category because the clues are often written so there's a logical development or progression through the category.
This will only be a good thing for Jeopardy. Hard to see James losing. It will probably be from his own devices rather than an equally good opponent.
Docreed2003
(16,864 posts)But at some point I read/heard/ not sure but don't they have an idea of what the questions will be ahead of time, sort of like a "preview sheet" if you will...
No doubt he's a very aggressive player but I find it hard to believe that his "knowledge" isn't help by a very effective, almost photographic memory