I think it's pointless to hope the Senate votes to remove HIM

[nitpicker]

IMO, 2020 political pressure will not work. 17 of the 21 repugs whose terms currently expire in 2021 were elected in deep-red states ((went for repugs the past 4 presidential elections)). I think the incumbents are more terrified of challengers in the primaries if they don't go easy on HIM.

Yes, the House committees should hold hearings. Lots of them. But in my opinion, even impeachment itself might fail ((at this point; maybe not after hearings)). Any tit-for-tat from proceeding could risk ANOTHER government "shutdown".

[manor321]

1. No. Impeachment is the only option

The House must do its duty. It is independent from the Senate. House members must uphold the oath they took to defend the Constitution. Presidents cannot be allowed to act this way.

We can't allow the Senate to veto what the House does. It would mean the House should pass no bills that won't pass the Senate.

A lack of impeachment will encourage Trump to again coordinate with Russia and other foreign powers to attack our election process.

[democratisphere]

5. The rethuglicon controlled Senate is the second most corrupt

institution in America. There is no way an impeachment of drumpf will ever be passed by this massively corrupt body of criminals.

[handmade34]

6. it doesn't matter...

what is crucial is that the House Democrats make a bold statement that Trump's behavior is not acceptable... the House must do their job and hold people accountable for actions that hurt this Country... if the Republicans choose not to do their job, that is on them...

[SunSeeker]

7. Exactly. nt

[uponit7771]

9. Clinton impeachment hurt democrats, Dems lost the house the senate & the presidency afterwards.

[democratisphere]

10. The world is much different from the WJC era to the drumpf era.

35-40% of the voters are his cult members. They will vote for him regardless of what he says or does.

[uponit7771]

11. Understood, I'm just countering the false narrative that Clinton impeachment hurt republicans. That

... was floating around for nearly 2 years, I was sucked in and believed it out right and now I find out its false.

There doesn't seem to be a historical political downside to impeachment, Johnson and Clinton faced negative impacts to impeachment.

Right now 40% of Americans support Trump being impeached, 43% of Americans supported Nixon being impeached so we're pretty close to where we were during the 70s.

[democratisphere]

13. The 40% would have to change to at least 60% for there to be any chance for impeachment success.

[uponit7771]

14. Not looking for removal or even a conviction ... just light of day and no way legally we ..

... can get that without impeachment.

I don't think removing Red Don from office is goal any longer seeing Moscow Mitch (another Putin whore) isn't going to move for it no matter if they have Red Don on tape giving Putin a handy

[uponit7771]

8. +1 Rudy G: "It's OK for Trump to get help from Russia"

[SunSeeker]

2. I don't think any of us our counting on GOP Senators to remove him.

But it is not pointless to move to impeach Trump in the House.

Rather than informal hearings, we need to commence formal impeachment investigation hearings. That is what will garner media attention to Trump crimes.

Also, it is the only way we will get Grand Jury info.

From the Washington Post:

In the face of Barr’s decision not to disclose any of the Mueller report to the public or even to the House Judiciary Committee chaired by Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D- N.Y.) until Barr and his team have scrubbed the report of grand jury information (and other material), Nadler and committee Democrats have authorized a subpoena for the full report, setting the stage for a court fight over the committee’s right to see grand jury information. Although the public need underlying the request for disclosure in McKeever was much less pressing, the decision in that case undermines the position of Nadler’s committee, because the controlling federal rule contains no exception allowing congressional “oversight” committees to demand access to otherwise secret grand jury proceedings.

One of the exceptions to grand jury secrecy is disclosure “preliminary to or in connection with a judicial proceeding.” To authorize disclosure of the Watergate grand jury information, the special prosecutor’s office argued that the House had authorized its Judiciary Committee to conduct a formal impeachment inquiry and that such an inquiry could be fairly analogized to a “grand jury” investigation and thus a judicial proceeding. Both the district court and the court of appeals agreed, and the Judiciary Committee obtained both the report and the underlying evidence.

Significantly, the appeals court decision several days ago reaffirmed that exception. All three judges agreed that an impeachment inquiry falls within the “exception for judicial proceedings” and “coheres” with other rulings about the proper scope of grand jury secrecy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-full-mueller-report-could-be-released--if-the-house-opens-impeachment-hearings/2019/04/08/e47fff42-5a14-11e9-a00e-050dc7b82693_story.html

We don't need the Senate to impeach Trump, only to vote to remove him. The House has the votes to make Trump the 3rd president in history to be impeached. We must be on record that this traitorous committed obstruction of justice.

[uponit7771]

12. This needs to be its own OP, I ... KNOW ... without a shadow of a doubt that Red Don's crew will

... stonewall until when ever to not answer to congress.

Also, Rudy G has already intimated multiple times yesterday that Red it's OK for Red Don to use information from Russia.

[qdouble]

3. We need to hang Trump's corruption around the neck of every Repulbican running for re-election

If voters clearly believe that Trump is guilty of crimes and the Senate doesn't take that into consideration, that should benefit Democrats in 2020, not hurt them.

[DLevine]

4. We must impeach.

Republicans are going to do what they're going to do. That's on them. We have to defend the Constitution and do the right thing for our country. If we don't, that's on us.