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Why did we believe the praises heaped on Mueller? (Original Post) SHRED Apr 2019 OP
Like the Mueller knows everything bullshit. I fell for it too. dem4decades Apr 2019 #1
It's incredible SHRED Apr 2019 #2
Yeah, the prosecutors that said Mueller was holding a Royal Flush. dem4decades Apr 2019 #17
Because we looked at his resume leftieNanner Apr 2019 #3
Nope don't remember the Iraq war? That's why I said be skeptical way back rockfordfile Apr 2019 #25
Not me. I never expected Mueller to sink the GOP for decades. JoeOtterbein Apr 2019 #4
I didn't expect that either SHRED Apr 2019 #6
Anyone of your expectations could have the sunk the GOP. JoeOtterbein Apr 2019 #18
So you read the full report then? New Hampshire Man Apr 2019 #5
Don't need to see the full report to know SHRED Apr 2019 #7
Mueller might have been told not to interview them, we don't know that yet. Barr has lied to congres uponit7771 Apr 2019 #9
If you are being told how to conduct an investigation, then jrthin Apr 2019 #29
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #34
Open your eyes. Barr got in and a month later the probe was over. Coincidence? brush Apr 2019 #12
Barr was recommend by Bush. Mueller lied on behalf of Bush. rockfordfile Apr 2019 #26
You don't find Barr taking over and the probe ending suspicious? No interviewing of Kushner and Jr. brush Apr 2019 #39
Faulty inferences are a common fallacy. LanternWaste Apr 2019 #11
Barr has bold faced lied in his "Summaries" before, don't count Mueller out just yet but I agree ... uponit7771 Apr 2019 #8
I didn't. dogman Apr 2019 #10
I think Mueller nailed shithole. Iliyah Apr 2019 #13
I'll reserve judgement until I read the report Blue_Tires Apr 2019 #14
+1 for prudence Ponietz Apr 2019 #31
I never did. I always remembered that Mueller is still a Repig. BigDemVoter Apr 2019 #15
I'd like to read the actual report before passing judgment. Really. Hekate Apr 2019 #16
same here redstateblues Apr 2019 #19
Is the report going to be published for the public? Boomerproud Apr 2019 #38
Eventually Hekate Apr 2019 #40
I think Barr short-circuited the investigation NewJeffCT Apr 2019 #20
I do agree here NOW bluestarone Apr 2019 #37
I was taken aback to see Mueller in the film about the 9/11 families seeking answers to their CharleyDog Apr 2019 #21
There were warnings about 9/11! True Blue American Apr 2019 #30
I was always puzzled by the near hero-worship of Mueller. MH1 Apr 2019 #22
What did I miss? Has the report been released? yardwork Apr 2019 #23
Too many forgot Fitzmas, despite all the innocent dead bodies. Hoyt Apr 2019 #24
Painful lessons learned, to be sure! Anon-C Apr 2019 #27
Lol. Most of the praise I read right here. cwydro Apr 2019 #28
look at the good things said about that asshole warmonger The Mouth Apr 2019 #32
Anyone with a cursory knowledge of FBI behavior in the 60's & 70's Va Lefty Apr 2019 #33
You got a mouse in your pocket? Never trust cops. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #35
Hope, foolish, delusional hope that Bettie Apr 2019 #36

dem4decades

(11,297 posts)
17. Yeah, the prosecutors that said Mueller was holding a Royal Flush.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:03 PM
Apr 2019

I don't listen a bit anymore. They sold me on all this evidence and then crickets.

leftieNanner

(15,127 posts)
3. Because we looked at his resume
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:35 PM
Apr 2019

An honored Marine, a seemingly ethical public servant. But now I'm not sure we looked hard enough. Is it possible that his Marine training keeps him from bucking his superiors?

We had to cling to something in order to still get up every morning. I haven't given up on this country yet.

rockfordfile

(8,704 posts)
25. Nope don't remember the Iraq war? That's why I said be skeptical way back
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 05:46 PM
Apr 2019

Mueller is just like Barr.

I think we have trolls on here pushing the Mueller bs. I also think that some really believed that Mueller was "a stand up guy".

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
6. I didn't expect that either
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:42 PM
Apr 2019

I did expect:

In person interviews with Jr, Jared, and Dump.
Looking at his tax returns for clues.
Deutsche Bank records examined.

To name 3.

And why all the plea deals and no big fish?

JoeOtterbein

(7,702 posts)
18. Anyone of your expectations could have the sunk the GOP.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:03 PM
Apr 2019

The big conspiracy is that they all colluded to protect the GOP from damage. Mueller, Barr, Rosenstein etc. have been doing their jobs as they see it; Protect the GOP at all costs.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
7. Don't need to see the full report to know
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:46 PM
Apr 2019

Junior, Jared, and Dump never had a sit down interview by Mueller.
Plea deals with no big fish.
Tax records not examined.
Deutsche Bank records not examined (according to Adam Schiff).

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
9. Mueller might have been told not to interview them, we don't know that yet. Barr has lied to congres
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:48 PM
Apr 2019

... congress before in his "summaries" and there's no reason to think he's telling the truth now.

jrthin

(4,836 posts)
29. If you are being told how to conduct an investigation, then
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:00 PM
Apr 2019

you're really not conducting an investigation that matters. And if you're taking orders as to how to conduct an investigation, an honorable person would quit.

brush

(53,794 posts)
12. Open your eyes. Barr got in and a month later the probe was over. Coincidence?
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:51 PM
Apr 2019

No. Barr stopped him from finishing and shut it down.

And seriously, you don't know what's in the report. If it really exonerated trump it would've been posted on the intermet immediately and released to all the newspapers and TV and radio.

Barr is not hiding it and redacting it for his health. He's trump's new Roy Cohn/Michael Cohen. He's doing for trump what he did for HW Bush and Iran-Contra. He's there to make it go away.

brush

(53,794 posts)
39. You don't find Barr taking over and the probe ending suspicious? No interviewing of Kushner and Jr.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:11 PM
Apr 2019

and trump's long-time accountant?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
11. Faulty inferences are a common fallacy.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:51 PM
Apr 2019

Learn from the mistake.

It's among what separates us from the lower orders of primates.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
8. Barr has bold faced lied in his "Summaries" before, don't count Mueller out just yet but I agree ...
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:47 PM
Apr 2019

... with you on Mueller.

I've said Mueller might be an asshole that doesn't mean democrats shouldn't enforce the law.

dogman

(6,073 posts)
10. I didn't.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:49 PM
Apr 2019

I remembered the praises of Fitzgerald. Everyone was eager for Fitzmas. He did take out a Democratic governor though.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
13. I think Mueller nailed shithole.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:55 PM
Apr 2019

Barr and Rosenstein will do their best in covering it up. But alas, it will come out.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
20. I think Barr short-circuited the investigation
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:12 PM
Apr 2019

when he came aboard, he told Mueller to have the report on his desk in 30 days or however long it was between his confirmation and the report being sent to DoJ. Just like the Bush pardons of IranContra figures short-circuited that investigation.

Left to his own devices, we would have gotten more people charged and Mueller would have held out longer to see if he could get Roger Stone to flip on Trump, or anybody else that would have been indicted - Erik Prince, Randy Credico, Jerome Corsi, etc

Barr is also going to try to prevent Mueller and his lieutenants from testifying to Congress, especially in public.



CharleyDog

(757 posts)
21. I was taken aback to see Mueller in the film about the 9/11 families seeking answers to their
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:32 PM
Apr 2019

questions. The film, Press for Truth (Amazon Prime) is about the families of loved ones killed in the towers asking questions and getting lies from the Bush administration. They kept pressing for answers, such as why are they saying no warning of an attack of this kind, when researching this, they found there actually were many warnings about the 9/11 attack, from intelligence services here in the USA and intelligence in UK, France, etc. And there's Mueller in a quick clip saying, "he was not aware of any warning that we might be attacked in this way." He was Director of the FBfuckingI.

So, carrying water for lying Republicans as head of the FBI.

He also was part of the DOJ OVERSEEING the prosecution of Manuel Noriega that Racheal Maddow emphasized the other night about the proven cover up executed by Bill Barr on that front.

(I'm not a CT person. Information is from Wikipedia and the film, which is evidence-based, and sympathetic to the families of 9/11 victims in the towers.)

I wanted to trust Mueller, but I don't. Yet, perhaps the evidence is so overwhelming even they can't make it go away.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
22. I was always puzzled by the near hero-worship of Mueller.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:40 PM
Apr 2019

I kept hearing "Fitzmas" in my brain, over and over again, for some reason. From the beginning of this thing.

That said, I do think that Mueller's outward behavior has been more professional than some of the obvious puppets, and maybe when all the facts are known we will see that he did his job reasonably well and with reasonable professionalism, under the circumstances. He was put in a difficult place and may have done what he felt he could do, while not attempting heroic measures (which might have failed in any case).

Alternatively, maybe he is just as much a part of the criminal con game as the others, just did a better job of not looking like it.

The Mouth

(3,153 posts)
32. look at the good things said about that asshole warmonger
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:06 PM
Apr 2019

McCain on here; anyone who had a good word for him, just because he opposed Trump, is pretty low in my book. A fucking bastard who never met a war he didn't want to send kids into, but let him diss dumpbsterfuck and DU is singing his praises as a great fucking hero.

Va Lefty

(6,252 posts)
33. Anyone with a cursory knowledge of FBI behavior in the 60's & 70's
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:06 PM
Apr 2019

would know that they are no friend to the left. There is a reason J. Edgar Hoover's name is still on FBI Headquarters

Bettie

(16,111 posts)
36. Hope, foolish, delusional hope that
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:16 PM
Apr 2019

there was one republican, somewhere who would be decent.

Hope that there was someone who didn't want our republic to fail under the weight of lawlessness.

Yeah, so false hope, most likely.

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