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Poiuyt

(18,126 posts)
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:23 PM Apr 2019

Barr and Mueller are using a flawed and rejected definition of coordination

The footnote in Barr's Mueller report letter we need to pay attention to

Yet, hiding in plain sight is a footnote in which Barr explains that he and Mueller are using a definition of coordination that requires proof of an agreement, which is contrary to the law and Federal Election Commission regulations and, more importantly, has been rejected by the Supreme Court. It is also a definition with which Americans should not feel comfortable.

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While the FEC coordination regulations are overly complicated and there is a debate about their application to activity on the internet, the FEC, Congress and the Supreme Court have made it clear that it is naïve and unnecessary to define coordination as requiring an agreement. Nevertheless, this is apparently what Mueller and Barr have done.

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Given the footnote 1 flag Barr raised in his letter, we should look carefully at what Mueller's report says about what went on outside of a provable agreement. Regardless of what Mueller may think, discussions and activities involving a "wink or nod" come with the same potential for foreign influence as the Russians just giving the campaign money does.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/16/opinions/mueller-report-legal-definition-coordination-noble/index.html

I thought Mueller was supposed to be straight as an arrow. Or did Barr direct him to craft his report in this fashion?

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zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
1. I suspect Congress will not agree with the definition
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:26 PM
Apr 2019

What they'll actually do about it is another matter.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
2. Also, they seem to be focusing on coordination with another government...not with private russian
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:32 PM
Apr 2019

businesses, which is what Trump did, even though they are a front for the russian govt.

former9thward

(32,028 posts)
8. If Trump coordinated with private russians Mueller would know that.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 03:46 PM
Apr 2019

And he also would know if they were a front for the Russian government. So we will see what is in the report soon.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
9. they'll redact that as not relevant to the investigation into Trumps collusion with the Russian govt
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 04:23 PM
Apr 2019

Their entire defense is based on technicalities.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
6. +1, Barr has lied to congress before about the nature of reports in his "summaries" and ...
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:43 PM
Apr 2019

... we'll only get 50% of the Mueller report.

Maybe

Kaleva

(36,313 posts)
5. It's the author's opinion and at this point, it's nothing more then an opinion.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:42 PM
Apr 2019

"opinion

noun
a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty. "

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/opinion

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
7. We don't know what Mueller actually said -- only Barr's footnoted "principal conclusions"
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 03:42 PM
Apr 2019

about what he said.

And Maddow showed the history last night of how little we can rely on Barr for accurate "principal conclusions."

Greywing

(1,124 posts)
14. We only have Barr's say-so that Mueller is involved in
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 07:38 PM
Apr 2019

redacting the report. At this point I trust nothing that comes out of Barr's mouth.

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