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Me.

(35,454 posts)
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:06 PM Apr 2019

However Did Barr End Up With A Sterling Reputation?

Considering what a devious, mendacious, cheater of the law he has been throughout his career? I can understand why the public isn't aware of his true colors but those in law, media and DOJ knew or should've. Even Joyce Vance who I like and respect was talking about his as a straight arrow who would do right by the law. Didn't they know how he skirted the law & truth in 1984, urging Bush to pardon the Iran Contra felons on Christmas Eve?

Well, he won't escape with his reputation intact this time, because we all know now how corrupt he is and the condemnation is only going to get worse for this unpatriotic official.

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However Did Barr End Up With A Sterling Reputation? (Original Post) Me. Apr 2019 OP
A sports analogy SHRED Apr 2019 #1
He did what other Republican crooks do. C_U_L8R Apr 2019 #2
The thing he did that was much worse than encouraging the pardons of the Iran-Contra felons The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #3
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2019 #13
Because True Dough Apr 2019 #26
Oh, don't get me started on THAT! The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #27
True that. Jakes Progress Apr 2019 #39
What is "OLC" ?? diva77 Apr 2019 #33
Office of Legal Counsel. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #34
Thanks diva77 Apr 2019 #42
Nice links. Thanks :) NCLefty Apr 2019 #40
What's wrong with ths picture? Totally Tunsie Apr 2019 #4
They need to add a "dis" in front of Hon and Barr C Moon Apr 2019 #17
sociopaths come in all shapes and sizes diva77 Apr 2019 #43
Because there is never any shortage... doompatrol39 Apr 2019 #5
They always say that DC is a small town. murielm99 Apr 2019 #9
The Scalia praise always made me sick. He never spooky3 Apr 2019 #30
RBG would strongly disagree with you. SomethingNew Apr 2019 #31
So would Rush Limbaugh. They are entitled to their opinions. Nt spooky3 Apr 2019 #35
Who the hell in the pos's admin have a sterling reputation? If you have no integrity, by way of asiliveandbreathe Apr 2019 #6
trump would never choose someone with integrity, we all knew that EleanorR Apr 2019 #7
My God, They Practically Genuflected Me. Apr 2019 #16
Oh hello, don't you know... GeorgeGist Apr 2019 #8
Easy, when you're a member of the establishment, there don't seem to be consequences pdsimdars Apr 2019 #10
As George Carlin observed, There is a club gratuitous Apr 2019 #11
The same way reagan ended up with a sterling reputation, revising history is repugs specialty nt yaesu Apr 2019 #12
Excellent Point Me. Apr 2019 #15
They are still building monuments to the guy yaesu Apr 2019 #20
Reagan National Airport is locally simply called GetRidOfThem Apr 2019 #23
Air traffic controllers always call it National, at least when they aren't on the radio. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #28
White Male Privilege... dlk Apr 2019 #14
More fine reporting from our liberal controlled media... robbob Apr 2019 #18
Trump installed an obvious fool in the role before... zaj Apr 2019 #19
He tried to stop BCCI scandal indictments in 1991 neohippie Apr 2019 #21
The List Of His Obstruction Grows Longer & Longer Me. Apr 2019 #22
Corporate media, most of the paid commentators, et al. that fell for the barr con not fooled Apr 2019 #24
Interestingly Me. Apr 2019 #25
Yes not fooled Apr 2019 #32
Being Had Is Exactly Right Me. Apr 2019 #44
He was a Bushy Trenzalore Apr 2019 #29
this helped, and is still going on Celerity Apr 2019 #36
The white, privileged, power system ascribes all kinds of characterizations to themselves. nt sarabelle Apr 2019 #37
Recommended. H2O Man Apr 2019 #38
Why not give barr a good reputation Jakes Progress Apr 2019 #41
... Me. Apr 2019 #45
I've asked that question throughout all of this green917 Apr 2019 #46
Answer: Dirty Socialist Apr 2019 #47
 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
1. A sports analogy
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:11 PM
Apr 2019

It's like sports commentators not knowing about a team.
That doesn't happen.

C_U_L8R

(45,003 posts)
2. He did what other Republican crooks do.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:11 PM
Apr 2019

He hid out, kept his head down and worked the back rooms until everyone forgot what a crook he is.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,753 posts)
3. The thing he did that was much worse than encouraging the pardons of the Iran-Contra felons
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:19 PM
Apr 2019

(since that would have been Bush's prerogative anyhow) was when he was with the OLC and wrote an opinion to the effect that the FBI had the authority to arrest fugitives in foreign countries without the permission of those countries, then refuse to release the memo to Congress on the ground it was "confidential" even though OLC memos had always been made public before. Then he finally agreed to, and did, release his summary of the opinion. Eventually Congress subpoenaed and received the entire opinion, which contained material that wasn't in the summary, and other material that contradicted what was in the summary. This was all over the news yesterday. Sound familiar? And why the hell wasn't this brought up during his confirmation hearing?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04/william-barr-mueller-report-summary
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/barrs-credibility-faces-new-questions-ahead-mueller-reports-release
https://www.justsecurity.org/63635/barrs-playbook-he-misled-congress-when-omitting-parts-of-justice-dept-memo-in-1989/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/15/precedent-that-raises-questions-about-how-barr-will-redact-mueller-report/?utm_term=.0b885555b2de

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
4. What's wrong with ths picture?
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:35 PM
Apr 2019
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Answer: Barr's nameplate identifies him as being "Honorable".

 

doompatrol39

(428 posts)
5. Because there is never any shortage...
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:47 PM
Apr 2019

....of Democrats who want to appear bipartisan, or "above politics" or who value chummy DC relationships over right and wrong.

Look at how quickly everyone on both sides of the aisle and in the press rushed to Elliott Abrams defense when a fellow Dem rightly pointed out how much of a war criminal he was. Look at how many people still insist that Scalia was a brilliant jurist despite decades of evidence to the contrary.

spooky3

(34,461 posts)
30. The Scalia praise always made me sick. He never
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:40 PM
Apr 2019

Demonstrated having a great mind - legal or otherwise.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
6. Who the hell in the pos's admin have a sterling reputation? If you have no integrity, by way of
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 12:51 PM
Apr 2019

your reputation, then you are in....if you """""" then you are in...(too profane to spell out) - let's just call it what it is..
the swamp -

EleanorR

(2,393 posts)
7. trump would never choose someone with integrity, we all knew that
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:13 PM
Apr 2019

He fired sessions because sessions wouldn't protect him. Before confirmation, I read numerous articles critical of Barr, his past decisions, and his unsolicited memo. I saw nothing that suggested he had a sterling reputation, except perhaps on sites like National Review. Can't speak to what the talking heads said as I don't watch the majority.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
10. Easy, when you're a member of the establishment, there don't seem to be consequences
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:00 PM
Apr 2019

only promotions

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
12. The same way reagan ended up with a sterling reputation, revising history is repugs specialty nt
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:02 PM
Apr 2019

Me.

(35,454 posts)
15. Excellent Point
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:14 PM
Apr 2019

the great God shining upon a hill until he could no longer remember what a hill was and no one bothered to tell the public that the president was actually Nancy R.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
20. They are still building monuments to the guy
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:47 PM
Apr 2019

I think every state has a park, school, airport or something named after him. They will do the same for tRump.

GetRidOfThem

(869 posts)
23. Reagan National Airport is locally simply called
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 03:22 PM
Apr 2019

"National Airport". Only geeks and republicans refer to it as "Reagan National Airport". It is the main domestic airport of Washington, D.C.


There is also the Ronald Reagan building. This naming was a compromise done for, I believe, funding reasons. Everybody knows it is a compromise...

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,753 posts)
28. Air traffic controllers always call it National, at least when they aren't on the radio.
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:31 PM
Apr 2019

They still hate Reagan.

dlk

(11,570 posts)
14. White Male Privilege...
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:03 PM
Apr 2019

The old boy network sticks together through thick and thin. If it were a woman or person of color, that’s another story entirely.

robbob

(3,534 posts)
18. More fine reporting from our liberal controlled media...
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:24 PM
Apr 2019

Telling us black is white, up is down, there is a debate going on about climate change, and Barr has a sterling reputation.

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
19. Trump installed an obvious fool in the role before...
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 02:34 PM
Apr 2019

... So everyone was just returned to have anybody with a minimal normal qualification.

It was a good strategy.

neohippie

(1,142 posts)
21. He tried to stop BCCI scandal indictments in 1991
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 03:05 PM
Apr 2019
https://miningawareness.wordpress.com/2019/01/15/bcci-indictment-pushed-for-by-mueller-was-blocked-by-trump-ag-pick-william-barr-in-1991/



“Mr. Mueller indicated to Mr. Rivera and to me as well that they would prefer that our indictment — that we work aggressively on it as much as possible… I received a phone call a little bit before noon on August 22 from Denis Saylor who indicated to me that I was directed not to return the BCCI indictment. And I asked who was directing me not to return it, and he said Attorney General William Barr…” (US Atty Lehtinen)

“As Robert Mueller III, the Assistant Attorney General at the Justice Department now in charge of the BCCI investigation, testified in October, 1991: BCCI was not an ordinary bank. It was set up deliberately to avoid centralized regulatory review, and operated extensively in bank secrecy jurisdictions. Its affairs are extraordinarily complex. Its offers were sophisticated international bankers whose apparent objective was to keep their affairs secret, to commit fraud on a massive scale, and to avoid detection” (“The BCCI Affair A Report to the Committee on Foreign RelationsUnited States Senate by Senator John Kerry and Senator Hank BrownDecember 1992“) https://archive.org/stream/TheBCCIAffair/The-BCCI-Affair_djvu.txt


snip


and it turns out the scandal including dealing with Russia


BCCI and CIA, excerpt. Notice the reference to murdered journalist Khashoggi’s uncle and to the USSR. Remember that Trump dined, at least once, at the home of Khashoggi’s uncle in NYC : “In the case of BCCI, former CIA officials, including former CIA director Richard Helms and the late William Casey; former and current foreign intelligence officials, including Kamal Adham and Abdul Raouf Khalil; and principal foreign agents of the U.S., such as Adnan Khashoggi and Manucher Ghorbanifar, float in and out of BCCI at critical times in its history, and participate simultaneously in the making of key episodes in U.S. foreign policy, ranging from the Camp David peace talks to the arming of Iran as part of the Iran/Contra affair. As early as the mid-1980’s, sources in the United Kingdom were alleging that BCCI was providing services not only to the CIA, but to intelligence agencies of a number of countries, including the Soviet Union.” https://fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/11intel.htm

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
24. Corporate media, most of the paid commentators, et al. that fell for the barr con
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 10:15 PM
Apr 2019

did so because they are DESPERATE to be perceived as even-handed. And as believers in, and supporters of, the "status quo" (a rich white guy who's in the club has honor and does the right thing), and institutions.

They don't understand or want to acknowledge that pukes are blowing up norms and institutions and that the party is a front for an organized criminal enterprise.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
25. Interestingly
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:22 PM
Apr 2019

Listening to the journos tonight they seemed to have dropped that both sides meme. Even Sam Stein and Susan Paige. Trump was described as granular which they said he wouldn't like, though I don't get why that's such a big insult, I can think of better.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
32. Yes
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 01:17 AM
Apr 2019

Have to give them credit for finally acknowledging reality after being confronted by multiple skeevy flagrantly unconstitutional actions by barr to defend red don, shredding the independence and credibility of his office in the process.

I've heard several say in effect now "but I thought he'd do the right thing." Oh well, better late than never. I hope they are good and mad about being had by this guy after initially defending him so assiduously.

Trenzalore

(2,331 posts)
29. He was a Bushy
Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:35 PM
Apr 2019

It's been 26 years and we've forgotten what an asshole H.W. was when he was Vice President and President.

By comparison to Trump he looks like a saint but Bush was buffered by a Democratic Senate and House the majority of his time in office and the GOP Senators of that time were less worried about primary challengers if they crossed the President.

People assumed they were getting more of a Bush Attorney General than a Trump stooge. They assumed wrong.

H2O Man

(73,561 posts)
38. Recommended.
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 02:16 AM
Apr 2019

It's a hollow reputation. Remember, much of his career was in the CIA under Bush the Elder, then serving Bush as president.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
41. Why not give barr a good reputation
Thu Apr 18, 2019, 02:26 AM
Apr 2019

if people are going to try to say what a great statesman and gentleman elder bush was. Any democrat who thinks that ghwb was decent in any way is woefully uninformed. Granted, it is easy to be uninformed when the media spends so much time rewriting and ignoring.

green917

(442 posts)
46. I've asked that question throughout all of this
Fri Apr 19, 2019, 08:16 AM
Apr 2019

how could anyone look at his career arc at justice and think he was going to comport himself in any way other than how he has?

he lied and pushed pardons during Iran-contra

he lied and tried to hide the findings of the investigation into Poppy Bush's administration's involvement in the failed coup in Panama.

of course he lied and tried to hide this report as well.

I wish I shared your optimism that his reputation won't survive this. our elected officials have shown themselves to be cowards that sacrifice our need for justice and constitutional norms on the alter of politics. it doesn't matter if they can get a conviction in the Senate or if it may hurt our chances in 2020! impeachment is the only way to remedy this renegade and criminal presidency! to quote a favorite movie:

"you don't just fight the fights you know you can win. you fight the fights that need fighting!'

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