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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHowever Did Barr End Up With A Sterling Reputation?
Considering what a devious, mendacious, cheater of the law he has been throughout his career? I can understand why the public isn't aware of his true colors but those in law, media and DOJ knew or should've. Even Joyce Vance who I like and respect was talking about his as a straight arrow who would do right by the law. Didn't they know how he skirted the law & truth in 1984, urging Bush to pardon the Iran Contra felons on Christmas Eve?
Well, he won't escape with his reputation intact this time, because we all know now how corrupt he is and the condemnation is only going to get worse for this unpatriotic official.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)It's like sports commentators not knowing about a team.
That doesn't happen.
C_U_L8R
(45,003 posts)He hid out, kept his head down and worked the back rooms until everyone forgot what a crook he is.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,753 posts)(since that would have been Bush's prerogative anyhow) was when he was with the OLC and wrote an opinion to the effect that the FBI had the authority to arrest fugitives in foreign countries without the permission of those countries, then refuse to release the memo to Congress on the ground it was "confidential" even though OLC memos had always been made public before. Then he finally agreed to, and did, release his summary of the opinion. Eventually Congress subpoenaed and received the entire opinion, which contained material that wasn't in the summary, and other material that contradicted what was in the summary. This was all over the news yesterday. Sound familiar? And why the hell wasn't this brought up during his confirmation hearing?
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04/william-barr-mueller-report-summary
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/barrs-credibility-faces-new-questions-ahead-mueller-reports-release
https://www.justsecurity.org/63635/barrs-playbook-he-misled-congress-when-omitting-parts-of-justice-dept-memo-in-1989/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/15/precedent-that-raises-questions-about-how-barr-will-redact-mueller-report/?utm_term=.0b885555b2de
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)True Dough
(17,311 posts)Al Franken wasn't there to ask?
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,753 posts)Al would've asked.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)diva77
(7,644 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,753 posts)diva77
(7,644 posts)NCLefty
(3,678 posts)Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)Answer: Barr's nameplate identifies him as being "Honorable".
C Moon
(12,213 posts)diva77
(7,644 posts)doompatrol39
(428 posts)....of Democrats who want to appear bipartisan, or "above politics" or who value chummy DC relationships over right and wrong.
Look at how quickly everyone on both sides of the aisle and in the press rushed to Elliott Abrams defense when a fellow Dem rightly pointed out how much of a war criminal he was. Look at how many people still insist that Scalia was a brilliant jurist despite decades of evidence to the contrary.
murielm99
(30,745 posts)Everyone knows everyone else.
spooky3
(34,461 posts)Demonstrated having a great mind - legal or otherwise.
SomethingNew
(279 posts)spooky3
(34,461 posts)asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)your reputation, then you are in....if you """""" then you are in...(too profane to spell out) - let's just call it what it is..
the swamp -
EleanorR
(2,393 posts)He fired sessions because sessions wouldn't protect him. Before confirmation, I read numerous articles critical of Barr, his past decisions, and his unsolicited memo. I saw nothing that suggested he had a sterling reputation, except perhaps on sites like National Review. Can't speak to what the talking heads said as I don't watch the majority.
Me.
(35,454 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)He's besties with Mueller.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)only promotions
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)And you ain't in it.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)the great God shining upon a hill until he could no longer remember what a hill was and no one bothered to tell the public that the president was actually Nancy R.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)I think every state has a park, school, airport or something named after him. They will do the same for tRump.
GetRidOfThem
(869 posts)"National Airport". Only geeks and republicans refer to it as "Reagan National Airport". It is the main domestic airport of Washington, D.C.
There is also the Ronald Reagan building. This naming was a compromise done for, I believe, funding reasons. Everybody knows it is a compromise...
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,753 posts)They still hate Reagan.
dlk
(11,570 posts)The old boy network sticks together through thick and thin. If it were a woman or person of color, thats another story entirely.
robbob
(3,534 posts)Telling us black is white, up is down, there is a debate going on about climate change, and Barr has a sterling reputation.
zaj
(3,433 posts)... So everyone was just returned to have anybody with a minimal normal qualification.
It was a good strategy.
neohippie
(1,142 posts)
Mr. Mueller indicated to Mr. Rivera and to me as well that they would prefer that our indictment that we work aggressively on it as much as possible I received a phone call a little bit before noon on August 22 from Denis Saylor who indicated to me that I was directed not to return the BCCI indictment. And I asked who was directing me not to return it, and he said Attorney General William Barr (US Atty Lehtinen)
As Robert Mueller III, the Assistant Attorney General at the Justice Department now in charge of the BCCI investigation, testified in October, 1991: BCCI was not an ordinary bank. It was set up deliberately to avoid centralized regulatory review, and operated extensively in bank secrecy jurisdictions. Its affairs are extraordinarily complex. Its offers were sophisticated international bankers whose apparent objective was to keep their affairs secret, to commit fraud on a massive scale, and to avoid detection (The BCCI Affair A Report to the Committee on Foreign RelationsUnited States Senate by Senator John Kerry and Senator Hank BrownDecember 1992) https://archive.org/stream/TheBCCIAffair/The-BCCI-Affair_djvu.txt
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and it turns out the scandal including dealing with Russia
BCCI and CIA, excerpt. Notice the reference to murdered journalist Khashoggis uncle and to the USSR. Remember that Trump dined, at least once, at the home of Khashoggis uncle in NYC : In the case of BCCI, former CIA officials, including former CIA director Richard Helms and the late William Casey; former and current foreign intelligence officials, including Kamal Adham and Abdul Raouf Khalil; and principal foreign agents of the U.S., such as Adnan Khashoggi and Manucher Ghorbanifar, float in and out of BCCI at critical times in its history, and participate simultaneously in the making of key episodes in U.S. foreign policy, ranging from the Camp David peace talks to the arming of Iran as part of the Iran/Contra affair. As early as the mid-1980s, sources in the United Kingdom were alleging that BCCI was providing services not only to the CIA, but to intelligence agencies of a number of countries, including the Soviet Union. https://fas.org/irp/congress/1992_rpt/bcci/11intel.htm
Me.
(35,454 posts)not fooled
(5,801 posts)did so because they are DESPERATE to be perceived as even-handed. And as believers in, and supporters of, the "status quo" (a rich white guy who's in the club has honor and does the right thing), and institutions.
They don't understand or want to acknowledge that pukes are blowing up norms and institutions and that the party is a front for an organized criminal enterprise.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Listening to the journos tonight they seemed to have dropped that both sides meme. Even Sam Stein and Susan Paige. Trump was described as granular which they said he wouldn't like, though I don't get why that's such a big insult, I can think of better.
Have to give them credit for finally acknowledging reality after being confronted by multiple skeevy flagrantly unconstitutional actions by barr to defend red don, shredding the independence and credibility of his office in the process.
I've heard several say in effect now "but I thought he'd do the right thing." Oh well, better late than never. I hope they are good and mad about being had by this guy after initially defending him so assiduously.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Trenzalore
(2,331 posts)It's been 26 years and we've forgotten what an asshole H.W. was when he was Vice President and President.
By comparison to Trump he looks like a saint but Bush was buffered by a Democratic Senate and House the majority of his time in office and the GOP Senators of that time were less worried about primary challengers if they crossed the President.
People assumed they were getting more of a Bush Attorney General than a Trump stooge. They assumed wrong.
Celerity
(43,422 posts)sarabelle
(453 posts)H2O Man
(73,561 posts)It's a hollow reputation. Remember, much of his career was in the CIA under Bush the Elder, then serving Bush as president.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)if people are going to try to say what a great statesman and gentleman elder bush was. Any democrat who thinks that ghwb was decent in any way is woefully uninformed. Granted, it is easy to be uninformed when the media spends so much time rewriting and ignoring.
green917
(442 posts)how could anyone look at his career arc at justice and think he was going to comport himself in any way other than how he has?
he lied and pushed pardons during Iran-contra
he lied and tried to hide the findings of the investigation into Poppy Bush's administration's involvement in the failed coup in Panama.
of course he lied and tried to hide this report as well.
I wish I shared your optimism that his reputation won't survive this. our elected officials have shown themselves to be cowards that sacrifice our need for justice and constitutional norms on the alter of politics. it doesn't matter if they can get a conviction in the Senate or if it may hurt our chances in 2020! impeachment is the only way to remedy this renegade and criminal presidency! to quote a favorite movie:
"you don't just fight the fights you know you can win. you fight the fights that need fighting!'
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)In today's GOP, the scum rises to the top.