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Pluvious

(4,311 posts)
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 12:51 PM Apr 2019

Wait... What ?!!

Sometimes I just don't know what to say.




The Trump administration is proposing to monitor the social media accounts of veterans, and if the veterans are “too happy” their disability pensions for PTSD will be reduced. What a fucking joke.
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Wait... What ?!! (Original Post) Pluvious Apr 2019 OP
If they were happy, wouldn't that mean their treatment was working??? PeeJ52 Apr 2019 #1
Big Brother cometh lunatica Apr 2019 #22
Though he has everything possible in the material sense... maddiemom Apr 2019 #47
Asshole. notdarkyet Apr 2019 #2
So Ol Bonespurs is okay with spying on vets with PTSD but won't show his tax returns. dameatball Apr 2019 #3
Bullshit firehose running full blast this weekend. Cracklin Charlie Apr 2019 #4
His cruelty is his food, he thrives off of it. n/t monmouth4 Apr 2019 #5
that is what GetRidOfThem Apr 2019 #44
This HAS to be fake news! Oh wait ... MH1 Apr 2019 #6
It is. Read the article. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #16
Thank you. I hate Twitter. I hate satire posts that suck us in. It just is not funny any more. Hekate Apr 2019 #29
You're mistaken. This is a real article and real Trump proposal... Drunken Irishman Apr 2019 #37
Well, it's close. But not the same. I'll tell you. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #39
His special olympics ploy failed so now this lame54 Apr 2019 #7
Privte Bone Spurs monitoring false claims -- Oh FFS! pdsimdars Apr 2019 #8
more support for our vets, eh Repubs... dhill926 Apr 2019 #9
There will also be a reduction for those who fail to express a patriotic level of gratitude. Mc Mike Apr 2019 #10
Floggings will continue until morale improves... Wounded Bear Apr 2019 #28
Any excuse in a storm, Mc Mike Apr 2019 #36
What's next Ohiogal Apr 2019 #11
yet another reason to close your facebook and twitter accounts scarytomcat Apr 2019 #45
Fuuuuuuck you Donnie Docreed2003 Apr 2019 #12
Does he think up these diabolical proposals on his own? Grasswire2 Apr 2019 #13
Stephen Miller. maddiemom Apr 2019 #46
So, if they can make a diagnosis from a FaceBook post... safeinOhio Apr 2019 #14
I'm the mother of a Marine who suffers from PTSD. mommymarine2003 Apr 2019 #15
Thank you for sharing this backtoblue Apr 2019 #23
Thanks. It is a constant battle. mommymarine2003 Apr 2019 #30
Well said. blue neen Apr 2019 #25
Thank you. We are proud of our son and how he has survived through all this. mommymarine2003 Apr 2019 #31
READ THE ARTICLE! It's not about veterans at all. It's about SS Disability Benefits.... Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #17
I noticed the same thing, why did they mis-represent to? Nt lostnfound Apr 2019 #20
It's despicable, all the same. blue neen Apr 2019 #24
Thanks for the info backtoblue Apr 2019 #26
Because eveything on FB is true! Liberal In Texas Apr 2019 #18
And they think monitoring disabled citizens is somehow a good idea Mersky Apr 2019 #19
You have got to be fucking kidding me. smirkymonkey Apr 2019 #21
Everything you said, smirkymonkey! DontBooVote Apr 2019 #41
Here is a yahoo article backtoblue Apr 2019 #27
Aiming to be FIRST into the market with my great new business idea: TygrBright Apr 2019 #32
FUCK!!!!!!!!!! calimary Apr 2019 #33
Something tell me that after that tweet/announcement, theyre all going to get a raise lol... Volaris Apr 2019 #34
To paraphrase H.L. Mencken:... LudwigPastorius Apr 2019 #35
Trump is insane. And the Senate will do nothing. n/t LuckyCharms Apr 2019 #38
Get bent, Diaper Donnie Blue Owl Apr 2019 #40
Here's the real article... cynatnite Apr 2019 #42
It's an excuse to look for liberals and take their benefits. defacto7 Apr 2019 #43
Why not post the original article? IronLionZion Apr 2019 #48
I've got one leg, am blind in one eye, and am on a double organ transplant list (for real). CaptYossarian Apr 2019 #49
 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
1. If they were happy, wouldn't that mean their treatment was working???
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 12:53 PM
Apr 2019

and if you took away their benefits, they wouldn't receive treatment anymore and the PTSD would return? The medications for PTSD are only a mask, they aren't a cure. You're on them for life.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
47. Though he has everything possible in the material sense...
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:32 AM
Apr 2019

He's obviously never happy. Therefore, due to his nature, he HATES that anyone else is happy.

Hekate

(90,708 posts)
29. Thank you. I hate Twitter. I hate satire posts that suck us in. It just is not funny any more.
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 03:19 PM
Apr 2019

I'm not going to click on the link -- but thanks for the heads-up. Look at all our friends being sucked in -- how is this funny?

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
39. Well, it's close. But not the same. I'll tell you.
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 07:04 PM
Apr 2019

It's an article about the W.H. doing that (targeting) "people on Social Security disability." Not veterans, specifically. Veterans are covered for PTSD under VA benefits, but they may qualify for supplemental disability benefits under SS. (Trump probably doesn't know that.) But that's not what the article is about.

We would expect Trump to target citizens that he thinks vote Democratic. And if the article is true, that looks like what it is.

dhill926

(16,339 posts)
9. more support for our vets, eh Repubs...
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 01:25 PM
Apr 2019

can't believe anyone in the military would still vote for these assholes...

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
10. There will also be a reduction for those who fail to express a patriotic level of gratitude.
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 01:28 PM
Apr 2019

Catcha 22.

Ohiogal

(32,002 posts)
11. What's next
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 01:38 PM
Apr 2019

Spying on food stamp or Medicaid recipients’ Facebook accounts to make sure they’re not going out to eat or living too extravagantly?

This stinks to high heaven

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
45. yet another reason to close your facebook and twitter accounts
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 08:35 AM
Apr 2019

if you want to communicate with someone you can just call them

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
13. Does he think up these diabolical proposals on his own?
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 01:39 PM
Apr 2019

He needs to sleep more than four hours a night.

safeinOhio

(32,687 posts)
14. So, if they can make a diagnosis from a FaceBook post...
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 01:45 PM
Apr 2019

Should be very easy to make a diagnosis from hours of videos of trump to have him committed for him being a persistent narcissist. At least unfit of office.

I think you have to go with what ever he says and then take it to the next logical step.

mommymarine2003

(261 posts)
15. I'm the mother of a Marine who suffers from PTSD.
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 01:48 PM
Apr 2019

My son did two tours in Iraq and came home with serious issues. We are lucky he is still alive. He suffers from serious PTSD and anxiety. When he returned from his second tour, which was in Ramadi, he appeared okay. Within a year, he was in a terrible downward spiral. He spent two years in his bedroom, only coming down for meals. At the time we lived in Tacoma,WA. The VA hospitals in both Tacoma and Seattle were pretty much worthless. We then moved to the Portland, OR area for my husband's work. The VA's in Portland and Vancouver were great. However, it was a full-time job for me taking him to both hospitals. Vancouver provided group counseling. Portland had individual counseling, PT, OT, regular physician, and a nutritionist. It was a long uphill battle, and he is probably 90% back to normal.

He has earned every penny of his disability and medical benefits. He is probably 10 years behind where he should be in his life. I would not wish what my son endured and we as a family have endured on most anyone (except maybe Trump and his fellow Republicans). Every time he calls me on the phone, I prepare myself for a crisis. Fortunately, most phone calls are good ones or ones that we can deal with or advise him.

It makes me so angry and disgusted with Trump and people who would even think of taking away their well-earned benefits.

backtoblue

(11,343 posts)
23. Thank you for sharing this
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 03:07 PM
Apr 2019

People who suffer from PTSD try desperately to find any sort of contentment or happiness.

It carries such a biased social stigma.

This proposition would vastly undermine the progress made by the individual. Most of us have good days and bad days. We learn to cope in various ways and being punished for wanting happiness is inconceivable.

The right to the pursuit of happiness...???

Unless you are poor, sick, or brown.

I wish you and your family well. I thank your son for his service and hope he can find a bit of peace.



ETA: Alot of us learn how to "act happy" around others so we don't burden them.

mommymarine2003

(261 posts)
30. Thanks. It is a constant battle.
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 03:26 PM
Apr 2019

He is doing remarkably well now. He got married in 2017, is working full-time, and has his first child due in November. We never thought this would happen, so we are very grateful. I do know that I have suffered some form of PTSD having to deal all of this.

blue neen

(12,321 posts)
25. Well said.
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 03:11 PM
Apr 2019

Thank you for sharing this, AND this country owes you a debt of gratitude for sharing your son.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
17. READ THE ARTICLE! It's not about veterans at all. It's about SS Disability Benefits....
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 01:58 PM
Apr 2019

It's about all disabled people receiving Social Security Disability Benefits. Not veterans specifically. Veterans get VA benefits, but MAY be eligible to get supplemental assistance for PTSD from Social Security.

Liberal In Texas

(13,555 posts)
18. Because eveything on FB is true!
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 02:01 PM
Apr 2019

How absurd. Deny people benefits because they "look" happy? Because "happy" people aren't allowed to apply for the benefits they deserve?

This has Stephen Miller written all over it. Just another repub "screw the common guy" idea.

Mersky

(4,982 posts)
19. And they think monitoring disabled citizens is somehow a good idea
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 02:12 PM
Apr 2019

The linked Forbes article discusses the social security administration monitoring disabled recipients' social media accounts. I have little doubt Trump and gang intend to extend these privacy invasion tactics to veterans as well. The cruelty of any such proposal knocks the wind right out of me.

Folks, people with permanent disabilities are already inspected by SSI doctors every few years. The office waits are a nightmare, and the agents at the offices are frequently overly rude and shaming. The process is demoralizing enough as it is.



 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
21. You have got to be fucking kidding me.
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 02:29 PM
Apr 2019

Is there no end to the cruelty this administration won't dish out? What the fuck is wrong with them? Our military budget is astronomical, yet they keep finding ways to stiff veterans who have devoted their lives to serving this country and have suffered for it.

I am so sick of these cowards and draft dodgers making policy that harms and neglects brave veterans. It is just sickening.

backtoblue

(11,343 posts)
27. Here is a yahoo article
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 03:16 PM
Apr 2019
The Trump administration has been quietly maneuvering to use Facebook and Twitter to spy on people collecting federal disability payments, the New York Times reported. Social Security revealed in a budget request last year that it planned to study whether to use surveillance of social media to “expedite the identification of fraud,” according to the Times.


Snip


https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/government-aims-social-media-spy-143148315.html

TygrBright

(20,760 posts)
32. Aiming to be FIRST into the market with my great new business idea:
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 03:30 PM
Apr 2019

Start a consulting service writing depressed-sounding social media content for people getting PTSD disability!

I can TOTALLY do this!

I'm gonna be richer than... well, maybe not Jeff Bezos or Bill Gates... but I bet I can knock Jaime Dimon down a few pegs on the "richest" lists!

excitedly,
Bright

P.S. For those who don't understand irony here's a link: Wikipedia not Wikianythingelse

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
34. Something tell me that after that tweet/announcement, theyre all going to get a raise lol...
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 03:51 PM
Apr 2019

Any 'happiness' they have just took a big ass dip heh...

They just can't get it, can they? This administration could screw up turning the lights off I swear. And the Republicans want to bitch and complain about oversight?

Hey GOP: if oversight were A TENTH of what the Constitution requires, the entire senior staff of the white house, roughly a THIRD of the congress and a good number of this administration's appointed judges would all be in prison already.

But, you know, veterans pensions. Yeah THATS what needs 'looking into'

Smdh.
ITMF.

LudwigPastorius

(9,150 posts)
35. To paraphrase H.L. Mencken:...
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 03:56 PM
Apr 2019

Republicanism is the haunting fear that someone on public assistance, somewhere, may be having a good day.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
42. Here's the real article...
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 11:10 PM
Apr 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/10/us/politics/social-security-disability-trump-facebook.html?linked=google

They're looking for fraudulent claims and the proposal is to look at social media accounts. It's pointed out that those are notoriously unreliable and using fraud investigators is preferable.

What's more important, IMO, is a proposal that could strip millions of claimants the right to an in-person hearing in favor of video conferencing. It could deprive due process.

They want to overhaul Social Security and are making those plans for the 2020 budget.

IronLionZion

(45,447 posts)
48. Why not post the original article?
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:33 AM
Apr 2019

How A Trump Proposal Could Reduce 'Happy' Disabled People

https://www.forbes.com/sites/imanibarbarin/2019/04/11/how-a-trump-proposal-could-reduce-happy-disabled-people/#143285a3636c

It's about government monitoring social media accounts of people on social security disability and removing benefits if someone is doing physical activities. It's a very bad plan, but is not what the Twitter post said.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
49. I've got one leg, am blind in one eye, and am on a double organ transplant list (for real).
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:15 AM
Apr 2019

Trump can kiss my ass.

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