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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:34 PM Apr 2019

Barr's 4 page letter: ". . . nor did the Special Counsel obtain any sealed indictments

that have yet to be made public."

And now we learn about Assange's indictment, filed March 6, 2018.

ON EDIT: Some réponses here have convinced me that this indictment came out of EDVA, but not Mueller. Thank you.

On the other hand, Barr's statement in his letter was deceptively written to imply (to the general public, at least) that there were no related sealed indictments. And yet today there are reports that the DOJ is saying there may be additional charges for Assange.

Are there any other sealed indictments out there that began or are closely related to Mueller's investigation?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/03/24/us/politics/barr-letter-mueller-report.html

The Special Counsel obtained a number of indictments and convictions of individuals and entities in connection with his investigation, all of which have been publicly disclosed. During the course of his investigation, the Special Counsel also referred several matters to other offices for further action. The report does not recommend any further indictments, nor did the Special Counsel obtain any sealed indictments that have yet to be made public.


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Barr's 4 page letter: ". . . nor did the Special Counsel obtain any sealed indictments (Original Post) pnwmom Apr 2019 OP
Whoops. Mc Mike Apr 2019 #1
In the absence of a poll, I will cast my vote for Barr lying. guillaumeb Apr 2019 #2
Lie True Blue American Apr 2019 #3
is it clear the assange indictment is from SC Kurt V. Apr 2019 #4
It was from a year ago, and is directly related to the Mueller indictments pnwmom Apr 2019 #8
bc if it's from SC that means others are out (in) there and that's huge. i.e. kushner Kurt V. Apr 2019 #13
The OP seems to be suggesting this was previously sealed/not public ... mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #14
It was entered on March 6, 2018 and has been sealed since then. pnwmom Apr 2019 #20
That appears to be the Chelsea Manning case, despite the coincidences in dates mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #33
Not sure what you're saying. It's an indictment of Assange, not Manning. n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #34
The indictment doesn't appear to mention the 2016 theft of DNC documents mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #37
But not Assange! triron Apr 2019 #21
And then Mueller closes up shop empty handed?? WTF is going on? triron Apr 2019 #15
Thank you. Good catch. n/t Mister Ed Apr 2019 #5
This isn't a Mueller indictment nt FBaggins Apr 2019 #6
What is your evidence for that? n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #9
I suppose it's worth pointing out that the burden of proof is on you FBaggins Apr 2019 #16
I read the indictment but hadn't seen attorneys names listed on it. pnwmom Apr 2019 #18
Here... ksoze Apr 2019 #19
In any case I'm sure prosecutors will want to talk to him about 2016. triron Apr 2019 #22
Not on this one... but arguably the Craig indictment FBaggins Apr 2019 #29
When will the media figure that out? triron Apr 2019 #7
Around 9 Rachel will be all over it, I guess it was an offshoot. EDVA dewsgirl Apr 2019 #32
How interesting. donkeypoofed Apr 2019 #10
Was his original indictment part of the package of Russians indicted for DNC theft? mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #11
S. O. P. For this administration. world wide wally Apr 2019 #12
It was the Eastern District of VA, not Spec Counsel ksoze Apr 2019 #17
Wasn't the Special Counsel running some of his prosecutions through EDVA? pnwmom Apr 2019 #23
And???? former9thward Apr 2019 #26
None that I know of. His names are not anywhere on the Indictment ksoze Apr 2019 #27
Tweedle Dee and Dweedle Dumber TruckFump Apr 2019 #24
What is your evidence this is coming from Mueller? former9thward Apr 2019 #25
I just edited the OP. pnwmom Apr 2019 #30
I thought this was... Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #28
You're right. It appears to be an off-shoot. I edited the OP. pnwmom Apr 2019 #31
... and there may be more, like this one... Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #35
Ari Melber just said the the latest indictment is AFTER Mueller ended BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #36
I'm not sure the Assange indictment has anything to KPN Apr 2019 #38
Barr shut the investigation down.... ashredux Apr 2019 #39

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
8. It was from a year ago, and is directly related to the Mueller indictments
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:49 PM
Apr 2019

of the Russians.

So why would Mueller have passed it off?

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
14. The OP seems to be suggesting this was previously sealed/not public ...
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:54 PM
Apr 2019

Is there evidence this is the case?

Because I seem to recall Wikileaks being (publicly) indicted as part of that tranche of Russians.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
37. The indictment doesn't appear to mention the 2016 theft of DNC documents
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 07:19 PM
Apr 2019

But rather the long-before theft of documents by Manning, who then gave them to Wikileaks for distribution. You know, the whole reason Manning went to jail, and Assange has been hiding in the Ecuadorian embassy since well before the DNC theft happened?

Ergo, this doesn't appear to be a Mueller-case indictment, hence we really don't have Barr on 'lying' when he said Mueller had issued no addt'l non-public/sealed indictments.

Which is NOT to say I would be at all surprised if it turns out he's lied his ass off about OTHER things or cases

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
16. I suppose it's worth pointing out that the burden of proof is on you
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:58 PM
Apr 2019

Regardless... the indictment is already public. It comes from prosecutors in VA and the national security division of Justice and the charges go back well before Trump (think Chelsea Manning)

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
18. I read the indictment but hadn't seen attorneys names listed on it.
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 06:02 PM
Apr 2019

But, if you're correct, then at the very least Barr wrote that passage very deceptively.

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
29. Not on this one... but arguably the Craig indictment
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 06:36 PM
Apr 2019

That at least started with Mueller.

I’m sure that Barr twisted to the extent he thought he could... but Mueller wouldn’t have shut down the investigation with work still to do.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
11. Was his original indictment part of the package of Russians indicted for DNC theft?
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 05:51 PM
Apr 2019

That March 2018 time period seems roughly around then but I don't recall exactly.

And are you actually sure this indictment was not previously 'public'?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
23. Wasn't the Special Counsel running some of his prosecutions through EDVA?
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 06:09 PM
Apr 2019

Like the Manafort cases?

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
24. Tweedle Dee and Dweedle Dumber
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 06:21 PM
Apr 2019

Barr and Trump...like two peas in a pod. The truth is not a necessary element of the daily life of either one.

BigmanPigman

(51,611 posts)
36. Ari Melber just said the the latest indictment is AFTER Mueller ended
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 07:11 PM
Apr 2019

his investigation and he was reporting on the Obama lawyer, not Assange. So more indictments may be coming related to Mueller, not Barr. Is this similar to what you are referring to?

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/04/11/obama-white-house-counsel-gregory-craig-charged-by-federal-prosecutors.html

KPN

(15,646 posts)
38. I'm not sure the Assange indictment has anything to
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 07:23 PM
Apr 2019

do wth Mueller. What is your source that Barr lied about this?

ashredux

(2,606 posts)
39. Barr shut the investigation down....
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 07:27 PM
Apr 2019

Mueller was ready for such and farmed out indictments...Barr will be shown a liar.

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