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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 12:28 PM Apr 2019

Bernie Sanders Says He's Not Sure About Ending the Filibuster. So Much for Single Payer, Then.

Democratic presidential hopefuls like Elizabeth Warren have started talking openly about ending the Senate filibuster. But so far, Sen. Bernie Sanders hasn’t been on board. Back in February, he said he “wasn’t crazy” about the idea of nixing the rule, which effectively requires 60 votes to pass most major legislation.

This is a bit odd, for a couple reasons. Given that there is basically zero chance Democrats will hold 60 Senate seats in the Senate in 2021, keeping the filibuster in place would almost certainly make it impossible for a President Sanders to pass many of the big ticket items on his agenda—especially Medicare for All. Second, Sanders has in the past been a vocal proponent of reforming the filibuster. Back in 2013, when some Senate Democrats pushed to weaken the threshold, he was a big supporter of forcing senators to actually stand on the floor and talk, Mr. Smith Goes to Washington-style, if they wanted to stall a bill. He understands that something is wrong with Congress’s procedural status quo.

In an interview published Monday, HuffPost’s Amanda Terkel pressed Sanders on the topic, asking how he planned to move ideas like the Green New Deal through the Senate. In response, the candidate suggested he could pass bills via the budget reconciliation process, which prevents filibusters on pieces of tax and spending legislation, allowing them to be enacted with a bare majority vote. He then reiterated that he wanted to reform, but not kill the filibuster entirely.
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But you know what almost certainly could not pass via reconciliation? The Medicare for All bill that Sanders has proposed. The problem is that, under the so-called “Byrd rule,” the Senate cannot use reconciliation to pass regulatory changes that only have an “incidental” impact on the budget.


https://slate.com/business/2019/04/bernie-sanders-single-payer-kill-the-filibuster-medicare-for-all.html

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Bernie Sanders Says He's Not Sure About Ending the Filibuster. So Much for Single Payer, Then. (Original Post) ehrnst Apr 2019 OP
Honestly Me. Apr 2019 #1
Uh huh...I am waiting for millions of light-bulbs to go off over heads soon, otherwise we all are Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Apr 2019 #3
You better not agree to pay the electric bill till that happens. Blue_true Apr 2019 #5
That is unfair BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #13
One bill, over 30 years, ONE Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #15
So, if you want to get rid of the filibuster, elect Bernie instead of Warren Jose Garcia Apr 2019 #4
Did you read the OP? Bernie says that he "doesn't want to kill the filibuster entirely." ehrnst Apr 2019 #6
Him and 50 other Senators Jose Garcia Apr 2019 #7
So why did you say, "If you want to get rid of the filibuster, elect Bernie?" ehrnst Apr 2019 #8
If he is in the White House, he won't be in the Senate blocking Jose Garcia Apr 2019 #9
??? ehrnst Apr 2019 #10
Right. That would be doubleplusgood. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #19
For some it is a one candidate panacea BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #12
Flip Flop BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #11
A lefty writer, one of MFA's biggest supporters calls this a "flip flop" that is "bizarre" ehrnst Apr 2019 #18
KR.. Cha Apr 2019 #14
K&R. TexasTowelie Apr 2019 #16
K&R brer cat Apr 2019 #17
He is entitled to his opinion Bettie Apr 2019 #20
The point is that he is supporting keeping the fillibuster and using reconciliation to pass bills ehrnst Apr 2019 #22
I said nothing about it having to make sense! Bettie Apr 2019 #23
Head injuries can be serious in the elderly. He's had a recent one ehrnst Apr 2019 #24
K&R sheshe2 Apr 2019 #21

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
2. Uh huh...I am waiting for millions of light-bulbs to go off over heads soon, otherwise we all are
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 12:38 PM
Apr 2019

in big big trouble.

Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #2)

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
5. You better not agree to pay the electric bill till that happens.
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 12:58 PM
Apr 2019

Bernie fans come up with their own rationale for his incoherent policy proposals and his largely ineffectual long career in Congress. Yes, he has attached amendments to bills that other democrats did the heavy lifting for, but how much real change legistlation has he written and got passed?

 

BlueFlorida

(1,532 posts)
12. For some it is a one candidate panacea
Thu Apr 11, 2019, 01:37 PM
Apr 2019

No matter what the issue, it is "vote for Bernie"

Most sensible people know that Harris, Warren, O'Rourke, Buttigieg, Booker, Swalwell, Biden all have great ideas - maybe not on every issue but they do have great ideas and policy proposals.

But for some, one candidate has the monopoly on all the great ideas and no one else measures up. He doesn't even have to come up with details - they "trust" him that the details will follow. The plans may be unworkable and unlikely to become law but then it is all the other Democrats' fault. The plans may be so expensive that they would be larger than the entire current budget but he will come up with the money - don't worry.

It is amusing to watch.

Bettie

(16,111 posts)
20. He is entitled to his opinion
Fri Apr 12, 2019, 08:38 AM
Apr 2019

just as the others who support killing it and who don't support killing it are.

He's not my choice this time around, but why is only his opinion on this important?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
22. The point is that he is supporting keeping the fillibuster and using reconciliation to pass bills
Sun Apr 14, 2019, 07:54 AM
Apr 2019

when there really isn't any way MFA could pass through reconciliation.

People are scratching their heads over his sudden u-turn that doesn't seem to comprehend the consequences of doing so.

Bettie

(16,111 posts)
23. I said nothing about it having to make sense!
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:33 AM
Apr 2019

I supported him last time round, but he appears to have utterly lost his mind fairly recently.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
24. Head injuries can be serious in the elderly. He's had a recent one
Mon Apr 15, 2019, 10:39 AM
Apr 2019

and clearly didn't rest afterwards.

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