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Cross posting from Editorial
(I did not bother to read Scott's op-ed, but like the reply)
Regarding former Florida governor, now Sen., Rick Scotts Why New Yorkers Flee For Florida (op-ed, March 21): Sen. Scott argues in support of the 2017 tax reforms unprecedented cap on state and local tax (SALT) deductibility. This represents a tax increase of more than $600 billion nationally, with dire implications for New York. The senator claims that the cap stops high-tax states from burdening the rest of us with their irresponsible decisions.
New York doesnt add to Floridas billswe pay them. In 2017 Florida took nearly $46 billion more from the federal government than it contributed, making it the No. 2 grantee state in the nation. New York is the No. 1 donor state. In 2017 we gave the federal government $36 billion more than we got back. The curtailment of SALT deductibility takes this gross imbalance and supercharges it, costing New Yorkers another $14 billion each year. But SALT was never about economics. It was about politics. Its explicit purpose was to weaponize the federal tax system against predominantly Democratic states. The 12 states most hurt by the limitations on deductibility all voted against President Trump in 2016.
The GOP is supposed to be the party of federalism and states rights. Since the Civil War, when President Lincoln signed the first federal income tax into law, the federal government has explicitly recognized state and local governments right to tax their own jurisdictions. But this new federal law imposes a tax on state and local taxesthe first double tax in our history, hampering states ability to make their own fiscal decisions. The GOP also purports to oppose policies of redistribution but President Trump and the federal government are the true redistributors of wealthnot from rich to poor, but from blue states to red states.
Under my administration, New York has made historic strides in fiscal discipline: A 2% cap on state spending growth, the lowest middle-class tax rate since 1947, the lowest corporate tax rate since 1968, the lowest manufacturers tax rate since 1917. Today, every New Yorker pays a lower tax rate than when I took office. We have capped property tax growth at 2%, a provision that has saved New Yorkers $25 billion. We have added over a million private-sector jobs, all while making historic investments in infrastructure, health care and education. If Sen. Scott wants to return to New York the $36 billion that we give to Florida every year, Ill end my campaign to reinstate SALT deductibility.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo
Albany, N.Y.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/cuomo-florida-gets-welfare-from-new-york-11554152628 (paid subscription)
roamer65
(36,745 posts)http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/maybe-its-time-for-america-to-split-up.html
The Canadian confederation is definitely better for these regions.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)And one of those people pays their fair share of $50k while the other pays less to the federal government because their SALT are higher, who is subsidizing who?
question everything
(47,488 posts)to support state services, thus the federal government does not have to.
In the aggregate, blue states are donors while red states are takers.
This is the point that we are trying to make. Blue states have better quality of life because we realize that we need to support state programs with our taxes.
Plus, as far as states in the north, we spend a lot more on roads because of the high variations in temperature that cause cracks and potholes.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)SALT, it doesnt necessarily go to things the federal government would otherwise have to subsidize. I believe that people should pay their fair share regardless of where they live.
I currently live in MA, but Ive also lived in NY.
dubyadiprecession
(5,716 posts)Because there are more retirees claiming government benefits there? Just asking.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)New York should run some calculations on Florida GDP and apply the New York income tax rates to it. Then garnish federal revenues from NY for that exact amount.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Better sell it while you can get your money out of it. Live cheap down there or dont live there at all. Otherwise, climate change is going to bring a new meaning to being underwater on your mortgage.
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FakeNoose
(32,658 posts)One version has the Mississippi River turning into an inland waterway up through the center of the US.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Temperatures were a lot higher 66mya.
http://www.scotese.com/K/t.htm
question everything
(47,488 posts)PBS Had an excellent program about it last fall
Sinking Cities - Miami
https://www.pbs.org/show/sinking-cities/