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bigtree

(85,998 posts)
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 12:38 PM Apr 2019

It's on! House Judiciary Votes on Wednesday to Subpoena Mueller Report

Alex Moe @AlexNBCNews
NEW: The House Judiciary Committee will vote Wednesday morning to authorize several subpoenas including for Special Counsel Mueller’s full and complete report, its underlying evidence and related matters
8:35 AM - 1 Apr 2019

The House Judiciary Committee will vote Wednesday on whether to authorize subpoenas to obtain not only special counsel Robert Mueller's full report and its underlying evidence, but also documents from five former White House officials related to that investigation.

Those individuals are former White House counsel Don McGahn, former White House chief of staff Reince Priebus, former White House communications director Hope Hicks, former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon and former White House deputy counsel Ann Donaldson.

Should the committee vote to approve the subpoenas Wednesday morning, the timing of their issuance will be left to the discretion of Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y.

read: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/house-judiciary-committee-vote-mueller-subpoenas-wednesday-n989456

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It's on! House Judiciary Votes on Wednesday to Subpoena Mueller Report (Original Post) bigtree Apr 2019 OP
To be clear, the VOTE is on Wednesday ... they didn't already vote to Subpoena on Weds mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #1
Looks like the committee is getting all its ducks in a row Hekate Apr 2019 #2
I don't think they expect the full report Tuesday bigtree Apr 2019 #4
so what, exactly, happens when that scum barr ignores them? niyad Apr 2019 #3
I really don't know what happens if they resist a judge's order bigtree Apr 2019 #5
A Congressional subpoena is not a judge's order FBaggins Apr 2019 #7
I'd guess if they didn't comply they'd try and prosecute in court bigtree Apr 2019 #12
Not "prosecute"... that's an executive branch power FBaggins Apr 2019 #13
yeah, you just scrambled around what I've already said on this thead bigtree Apr 2019 #14
Nadler will hold the subpoenas .. kentuck Apr 2019 #6
Hard to say FBaggins Apr 2019 #8
it's leverage bigtree Apr 2019 #11
Be firm Nadler. No more delays! triron Apr 2019 #9
Like Nike says, "Just do it!" FakeNoose Apr 2019 #10
K&R Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2019 #15
 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
1. To be clear, the VOTE is on Wednesday ... they didn't already vote to Subpoena on Weds
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 12:44 PM
Apr 2019

Though presumably they will vote for that subpoena ... when they don't get the Report on Tuesday.

Expect a full-court press today like what Bongino said on Faux this AM. Their angle is going to be 'can't release the report because the creation of the investigation was illegal in the first place cause Obama and Strzok and FISA and such!'

I said that the day after the Barr memo, and I haven't changed my mind ... this WILL be Trump's angle, cause it's all he's got. And he can't let it be released.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
4. I don't think they expect the full report Tuesday
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 12:58 PM
Apr 2019

...any more than I do.

This is pressure from the committee.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
5. I really don't know what happens if they resist a judge's order
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 01:01 PM
Apr 2019

...I would guess it can drag out for months, maybe be appealed all the way to the SC. Never happened before in one of these big scandals.

I'd expect a more confrontational approach after Tuesday. Their most potent persuader is the electorate, so keep pushing with the legal, and press the political as far as it will go.

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
7. A Congressional subpoena is not a judge's order
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 01:32 PM
Apr 2019

The DOJ resisted some of those even when both Congress and DOJ were Republican-controlled.

They certainly don't have the power to force release of everything that is potentially redacted (classified/grand jury/ privileged). This just gets the ball rolling on a much longer fight.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
12. I'd guess if they didn't comply they'd try and prosecute in court
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 02:07 PM
Apr 2019

...

"Technically Congress has the authority to arrest witnesses and directly try them for contempt—that’s a dramatic step that hasn’t been taken since 1935. Instead the Senate (or House) could exercise one of two options: It could vote on a contempt referral to be passed on to the Justice Department for enforcement. Alternatively, it could bring the matter before a federal district court, which can then charge noncompliant witnesses with contempt of court. Congressional Republicans did the former during the Obama administration when then–Attorney General Eric Holder and the IRS’s Lois Lerner refused to comply with issued subpoenas. Both times, the Justice Department simply refused to prosecute the cases...

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2017/05/what-happens-if-flynn-ignores-the-senates-subpoena.html

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
13. Not "prosecute"... that's an executive branch power
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 02:37 PM
Apr 2019
Technically Congress has the authority to arrest witnesses and directly try them for contempt

This isn't a subpoenaed witness... they're trying to get documentation. They don't have superior claim over the executive branch. All they can do is press the courts to take a position - which would go all the way to SCOTUS in all likelihood. Barr's version of the full report would be out loooong before that could happen.

It could vote on a contempt referral to be passed on to the Justice Department for enforcement.

That would be the DOJ that just told them to take a hike in this example, right?

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
14. yeah, you just scrambled around what I've already said on this thead
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 02:54 PM
Apr 2019

...it would ultimately go to the courts if Democrats plan on moving past WH obstruction.

It's not news that there would be claims of EP.

And of course they won't get this Justice Dept. to prosecute.

So, for the last time, this is likely to be decided by a judge, or judges, at some point, barring some agreement reached between the committee(s) and the WH, or some leak or development that would force their hand.

FBaggins

(26,748 posts)
8. Hard to say
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 01:45 PM
Apr 2019

It's unlikely that a subpoena would be responded to any earlier than when Barr says he plans to send it... and whether the subpoena says "give us everything" or not... the first response would still redact classified information, info related to grand jury proceedings, and anything the President declared covered by executive privilege.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
11. it's leverage
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 02:00 PM
Apr 2019

...he'll hold them in his pocket as he petitions for the report.

I'd need to listen to some experts on the import.

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