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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,212 posts)
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 08:12 PM Mar 2019

FTC shuts down four major robocall operations

The US Federal Trade Commission (FTC) announced today that it shut down four separate robocall operations responsible for placing billions of illegal robocalls. The four organizations responsible for the calls agreed to settlements with the agency. Under those agreements, the companies will no longer be able to make robocalls or use automatic dialers to place calls, effectively barring them from the telemarketing business.

The four organizations involved in the FTC crackdown include:

NetDotSolutions, a massive robocalling operation that pitched unsuspecting consumers everything from auto warranties to home security systems and supposed debt-relief services. The company was accused of leaving unlawful prerecorded messages, calling numbers on the Do Not Call registry and using spoofed caller ID to trick consumers into picking up. The company faces a $1.35 million fine.

Higher Goals Marketing, a company that used robocalls to promise consumers it could lower their credit card interest rates. The operators of Higher Goals Marketing were previously part of another robocall operation, Life Management Services, that was shut down by court order. The organization received a $3.15 million fine as part of the recent settlement.

Veterans of America, perhaps the scummiest of the operations involved in the FTC's sting. The company was part of an alleged charity scam run by Travis Deloy Peterson that convinced people to donate cars, boats, and other things of value. Peterson is accused of selling those items and keeping the profit. He now faces a fine of just under $550,000.

Pointbreak Media, a company that is accused of falsely claiming to represent Google in an attempt to get small businesses to purchase services that would improve their page rank and position in search results. The company had no real affiliation with Google. The company was hit with a $3.62 million fine.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/ftc-shuts-down-four-major-robocall-operations/ar-BBVj1Ue?li=BBnb7Kz

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FTC shuts down four major robocall operations (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2019 OP
Good Sherman A1 Mar 2019 #1
I think they all got off easy. DFW Mar 2019 #2
I'm with you. $1.35 million fine? Does that even scratch the surface of their profits? scarletwoman Mar 2019 #5
It's called a fine, because you pay it, and it's fine. Volaris Mar 2019 #24
"Telemarketers" like this are the reason that I let my answering machine/ voice mail pazzyanne Mar 2019 #3
Me too TexasBushwhacker Mar 2019 #41
My youngest brother does the messing with telemarketer brain thing. pazzyanne Mar 2019 #44
I get 6 calls a day ... MINIMUM ... from these people !! Dems should commit to shutting down Robo .. uponit7771 Mar 2019 #4
Me too. I have screened all my calls since 1985 due to it. BigmanPigman Mar 2019 #16
Nomorobo (free for home lines) helps. It doesn't stop spooky3 Mar 2019 #21
Thank John Oliver. snort Mar 2019 #6
Now maybe then can do something about... Hotler Mar 2019 #7
They said they fixed that. They lied. Shrike47 Mar 2019 #12
"This is the IRS... homegirl Mar 2019 #8
Yes ! obnoxiousdrunk Mar 2019 #9
I got one once that made me legit laugh out loud Takket Mar 2019 #18
I got a voice mail that said that they had ooky Mar 2019 #36
Yes, homegirl Mar 2019 #45
How long before they resume under a different corporate name? Marie Marie Mar 2019 #10
Well, it's a start. We get several calls every day on the land line. We have to screen. Shrike47 Mar 2019 #11
I don't screen a damn thing ... Volaris Mar 2019 #26
The ONLY reason I'm taking all calls right now TexasBushwhacker Mar 2019 #42
Those fines are extremely low. SeattleVet Mar 2019 #13
Telemarketing should be banned, period. GETPLANING Mar 2019 #14
A reminder for anyone wanting to register or complain.... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2019 #15
Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #17
They will reorganize and pop right back up under a different name. JDC Mar 2019 #19
We got a call today and the caller ID said the name of the caller Grammy23 Mar 2019 #20
+1 treestar Mar 2019 #23
It always was someone you knew unless moonscape Mar 2019 #32
Maybe that's why I didn't get any robocalls today. nt hvn_nbr_2 Mar 2019 #22
I think they switched to email Generic Brad Mar 2019 #25
I clean out over 1,000 junk ads in my inbox a week. Initech Mar 2019 #31
Waiting for Family to Call.., Dr Vegas Mar 2019 #27
Excellent. One thing I think both sides can agree on: Initech Mar 2019 #28
these fuckers deserve torture Kali Mar 2019 #29
I got a new one today: marybourg Mar 2019 #30
Rachel from Credit Card Services will have to get a real job? lpbk2713 Mar 2019 #33
Or Heather? Archae Mar 2019 #35
Rachel? I get "Sara" from Credit Card Services. Laffy Kat Mar 2019 #37
Friend of mine in Georgia has a method that works for him... Archae Mar 2019 #34
What is their purpose? Phone rings, you answer, no one there demosincebirth Mar 2019 #38
This week I began getting calls from HAB911 Mar 2019 #39
Had that happen to me, too dumbcat Mar 2019 #40
I read an article recently where you can subscribe HAB911 Mar 2019 #43

DFW

(54,443 posts)
2. I think they all got off easy.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 08:21 PM
Mar 2019

A five year jail sentence for each of their CEOs would have lent the message a lot more emphasis.

As it is, all they have to do is write a check, and say "oops, sorry."

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
5. I'm with you. $1.35 million fine? Does that even scratch the surface of their profits?
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 09:42 PM
Mar 2019

Substantial jail time for the guys at the top - that might be a reasonable deterrent.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
24. It's called a fine, because you pay it, and it's fine.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:10 PM
Mar 2019

This is all well and good if it's a speeding ticket to your local city...it's not ok if its a federal felony that resulted from you ripping people off.
White collar crime guilty decisions should have AT MINIMUM (yes, I went there) a five year prison term .

The rest of us work too damn hard for you to rip us off and get a slap on the wrist.

I WANT PAIN for these snake-oil salesman.

pazzyanne

(6,557 posts)
3. "Telemarketers" like this are the reason that I let my answering machine/ voice mail
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 09:31 PM
Mar 2019

pick up numbers that I do not recognize. Not picking up has saved me a lot of rise in blood pressure over the past few years. So glad to hear they are cracking down on these types of operators.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,215 posts)
41. Me too
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 08:54 AM
Mar 2019

Although ocassionally I'll pick up and just fuck with the caller for as long as possible before I tell them "I'M ON THE DO NOT CALL LIST MOTHERFUCKER".

pazzyanne

(6,557 posts)
44. My youngest brother does the messing with telemarketer brain thing.
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 09:47 AM
Mar 2019

I just get mad when they call, so it is bad for my blood pressure. I support those who can mess with their brain however.

uponit7771

(90,364 posts)
4. I get 6 calls a day ... MINIMUM ... from these people !! Dems should commit to shutting down Robo ..
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 09:38 PM
Mar 2019

... callers !!!

spooky3

(34,481 posts)
21. Nomorobo (free for home lines) helps. It doesn't stop
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:03 PM
Mar 2019

The spoofers who mimic your area code and first 3 digits. But it has cut down on what were about 8-12 calls per day at one point.

I’ve just started using RoboKiller for the cell phone. It costs $2 or so per month. Too early to tell how good it is.

homegirl

(1,434 posts)
8. "This is the IRS...
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 09:53 PM
Mar 2019
a warrant will be issued for your arrest..."

Would love to see this gang behind federal prison bars!

Takket

(21,629 posts)
18. I got one once that made me legit laugh out loud
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:46 PM
Mar 2019

The recording said a warrant would be issued with my name to the “local cops”. Yeah because if the IRS wanted me arrested they would definitely call the “local cops” and send them to my apartment lol

ooky

(8,929 posts)
36. I got a voice mail that said that they had
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 12:58 AM
Mar 2019

"4 serious allegations on my name" and if I didn't call them back in "24 working hours" I would be "taken into federal custody". Even gave me call back numbers.

homegirl

(1,434 posts)
45. Yes,
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 07:52 PM
Mar 2019

they always leave a phone #. One day I will call back claiming to be the CIA! Just for fun!

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
10. How long before they resume under a different corporate name?
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:09 PM
Mar 2019

These calls are so annoying - even though I let the answering machine screen all my calls.

Shrike47

(6,913 posts)
11. Well, it's a start. We get several calls every day on the land line. We have to screen.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:14 PM
Mar 2019

Jail time of the people at the top would be good, too.

Volaris

(10,274 posts)
26. I don't screen a damn thing ...
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:14 PM
Mar 2019

I use a cell exclusively (for work, mostly ...no landline)

If you call me from a number that's not in my contacts list, I'm NOT picking up .

If you dont leave a message, that's YOUR problem cause I don't CARE who your bot-dialer is calling on behalf of, I'm not picking up unknown calls and I'm not calling back.

Deal.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,215 posts)
42. The ONLY reason I'm taking all calls right now
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 08:56 AM
Mar 2019

is because I'm job hunting. I'll be glad when I can go back to screening.

SeattleVet

(5,479 posts)
13. Those fines are extremely low.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:19 PM
Mar 2019

They should all be at least 10x the stated amounts.

Since these scammer operations open, close, and change names and locations so frequently to avoid the law, they need to have a very strong deterrent, and these fines are just a small fraction of that they scammed from people while they were operating. The principals of these organizations also need to get some time in the greybar hotel.

(Also note that the Telephone Consumer Protection Act (TCPA) allows individual consumers to file suit to claim $1500 per call, which can be tripled if they are intentionally calling numbers on the federal Do Not Call registry. It takes some work on your part, but there are a few people around the country that were making quite a nice living by filing suits in their local Small Claims Courts and getting default judgements against the scamming companies, then filing liens on their businesses when they invariably failed to pay the settlements.)

Fortunately, I have gotten to the point where we only get 2 or 3 of these calls a month. We use a multi-pronged strategy. We have a VOIP phone service (Ooma) that has some very good call blocking options, and which also ties in with NoMoRobo to block known robocallers. For the few that do get through, if I see a number I don't recognize I turn on the scanner radio by my desk and answer, "North precinct, fraud division. State your name and company name for the record." with police calls going on in the background. They usually can't hang up fast enough, and I almost never hear from that one again.

GETPLANING

(846 posts)
14. Telemarketing should be banned, period.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:19 PM
Mar 2019

If there is one thing all parties can agree on, it's that telemarketing calls are a burden to the economy and have a negative effect on productivity and GDP. This is the real reason telemarketing should be banned.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,494 posts)
15. A reminder for anyone wanting to register or complain....
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:24 PM
Mar 2019
FTC Complaint Assistant:
Click on: Unwanted Telemarketing, Text, or SPAM

Link: https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/?utm_source=takeaction#crnt&panel1-1

Get on the FTC Do Not Call List:

Link: https://www.donotcall.gov/?utm_source=takeaction

It does seem like we've been getting fewer annoyance calls lately.........

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Grammy23

(5,813 posts)
20. We got a call today and the caller ID said the name of the caller
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 10:48 PM
Mar 2019

Was Fraud Likely. Gave me a big laugh! It was the call where they tell you that you are qualified to get “braces” for the painful medical condition you allegedly have and Medicare will pay for it. If we don’t call back, Medicare will classify us as “ineligible”. Uhm, no. Nice try.

We never answer these calls under any circumstances but the caller ID name was a hint why we shouldn’t pick up. Now if we could just convince my nearly 88 year old mother-in-law to let the answering machine handle calls like this. Sigh......

treestar

(82,383 posts)
23. +1
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:08 PM
Mar 2019

My 80s parents still think they should pick up the phone! I remember when you didn't know who was calling and there were no answering machines, so you always thought it would be someone you know. They can't get rid of that old habit! They are too old to get to it quickly and I always say let the blasted answering machine take it!

moonscape

(4,673 posts)
32. It always was someone you knew unless
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:28 PM
Mar 2019

it was a wrongly dialed number, and then a real person apologized.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
25. I think they switched to email
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:11 PM
Mar 2019

I had more than 150 garbage ads in my junk folder today. I have never seen it that high.

Initech

(100,104 posts)
31. I clean out over 1,000 junk ads in my inbox a week.
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:26 PM
Mar 2019

It's infuriating! Especially the credit card offers.

Dr Vegas

(456 posts)
27. Waiting for Family to Call..,
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:15 PM
Mar 2019

Last week I was on Deathwatch in my Mom's room and waiting for Family to call in. I rushed to answer any phone call because we did not know how much time she had. I picked up the phone when it rang only to find it to be a Robocall. Even though that # was listed On The "Do Not Call" list and that the Phone company promised my brother that it was a "Clean" Phone number. WE still got these calls..., FUCK EM'

Kali

(55,020 posts)
29. these fuckers deserve torture
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:22 PM
Mar 2019

I can't screen my calls. I have public roads through the ranch and I have to answer for emergencies among other reasons. when these assholes disrupt work for bullshit sales calls I feel absolutely violent. I am learning if it is from my area code and has the same first three digits as my verizon account that it is more than likely a spoofed number. my neighbor and family are the only other people I know with those numbers. but I get legit out of state numbers all the time, so I can't ignore them. I hate these assholes.

marybourg

(12,634 posts)
30. I got a new one today:
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:24 PM
Mar 2019

full of static, so you think it might be saying something important that you can’t quite make out, except for the # they want you to call back on. That was pretty clear.

I reported it to the FCC, as I always do, with a note that I thought this one was a real threat to the elderly ( my area code is heavily elderly). I’m glad to hear they’re cracking down on some. Makes me want to continue reporting them.

Archae

(46,347 posts)
34. Friend of mine in Georgia has a method that works for him...
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 11:58 PM
Mar 2019

He makes sure he gets a human on the line, and then he talks dirty.

"How much do you charge for a (oral sex term)?"

The numbers of telemarketers calling him has dropped to nearly none per week.

HAB911

(8,915 posts)
39. This week I began getting calls from
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 08:23 AM
Mar 2019

ME! My name and number being spoofed as if I would answer a call from myself. Normally, the calls are from my area code and exchange with rotating names and numbers. NoMoRobo is a good deterrent if your phone supports simultaneous ring.

https://www.nomorobo.com/

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
40. Had that happen to me, too
Thu Mar 28, 2019, 08:50 AM
Mar 2019

I got a call on my cell phone and it said it was from ME! It even showed my picture as the caller. I was driving or I would have answered and played with them a while.

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