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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo if they refuse to release the original Mueller Report
What can Democrats do?
What leverage do we have besides elections?
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)Time to rise up! Democracy United! Tell them our needs!
Chin music
(23,002 posts)Fired up...and ready to go! You?
bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)I know you're sincere, but this kind of emotional rush to disbelief in our democratic systems and abandonment of our legal fortress serves the people you fear very well. Not us.
In fact, so much so that perhaps it would benefit you to figure out just who you're getting this idea from that it's time to abandon our entrenchments on the battlefield and run down the streets instead.
Chin music
(23,002 posts)tiki party looks like. Corporate America is real comfortable until folks in the street threaten to upset the apple carts.
"Rubes will not replace us!!!"
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)making things make sense!
Because if the shoe was on the other foot the repukes would find a way.
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)I've broken the law.
DontBooVote
(901 posts)Chin music
(23,002 posts)Are you doing ok?
DontBooVote
(901 posts)a hundred times a day and I don't feel like we as a party/collective are pissed off enough.
I'm afraid this lack of anger and lack of action is going to result in a horrible life for those precious to me.
I'm not OK either.
Chin music
(23,002 posts)Why worry? Our representatives don't seem to be too worried about it. Unless we are going to start organizing demonstrations then really all we are doing is just hand wringing while rich folks laugh at us for same. Wonder when they are going to sign surrender papers to russia, and if they are going to get the russian flags in the stores for 4th of July?
DontBooVote
(901 posts)Chin music
(23,002 posts)get outside for a walk or a jog. Believe it or not, there are folks here that will rattle your chain. It's going to be ok. Take a break.
DontBooVote
(901 posts)Last edited Wed Mar 27, 2019, 01:58 PM - Edit history (1)
insane, though. I won't say why because we're not allowed to speak freely here without getting zapped. I do take walks and, this time of year, the flowers and trees are beginning to bloom and the air is refreshing.
I'm just worried about the kind of life we're leaving my children/grand-children and that nothing ever gets done about it. Sure, I vehemently advocate voting, but that's 2 years away. Plenty of time to lose even that right, if we're not careful.
Chin music
(23,002 posts)Yes, even DU has serious issues. God forbid post about protesting. Especially in the wee hours of the morning. Certain folks will bait you, flag you, then leave your post unable to be answered. It's all too much, too often. trump does more damage in a day than anyone I know. The same people who shamed everyone for questioning mueller (that gave trump 2 years of set-up) are the ones who wag fingers, expect you to participate in the 'horserace' two years away. People are hurting NOW. Some won't make 2020. Keep up the faith.
DontBooVote
(901 posts)sign up. But the mid-terms (which I worked my ass off for) excited the hell out of me and I had to share in the victories.
Stupid move because now I'm ignored and, at worst, targeted. And I have allowed myself to respond with frustration at how little is actually achieved here. Nothing is achieved at all. Any attempts to fire up the base here is ignored or punished.
I now have a deep suspicion but I find it hard to give up hope that there's some sort of fight here. Whatever is going on here, it certainly isn't any "underground".
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)It's a waste of time.
Chin music
(23,002 posts)There is no use crying over this. It is way above our heads. We will come up w an answer. Im not one to say, just vote....19 months away, bc people are hurting now. NOW. Its almost cruel to say that to some people who are hurting so bad. We have to act before that but at this point, there's no real big demonstrations we can even attend. try calling the local Dem Headquarters for places to meet. Im sorry you arent feeling good. Hang in there.
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)Heck, I'm 66. I'm moving to Prince Edward Island, Canada in September to spend the rest of my life. I'm not going to be caring a thing about this country any more unless they are going to stop my social security checks or try to invade Canada. Even if the US invades Canada, they might forget about PEI anyway. Isn't anything there but lobster, pubs, and music.
It's just sad to see this country going down like this. It wasn't this way in the 60s and 70s. People think they are protesting by writing snarky messages on twitter. That's not going to get it done. They need to get out there. I don't think they will. Everyone is out for themselves. There is no more we. It is only me. Well me, wifey, and ma-in-law are leaving and wish you all the best. I will only be a permanent resident, so I can still vote a straight Dem absentee ballot I guess, if tRump still allows that after 2020.
Chin music
(23,002 posts)Thanks for giving a shit. I completely agree about computer smart asses that think theyre cute.
Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)or is there anything Trump and Co. can do to destroy it, like erase all copies. How do we know if a real copy will exist after Trump leaves office?
bluestarone
(17,043 posts)How the fuck will we know if it IS the ORIGINAL?
Chin music
(23,002 posts)asshole....don trump.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Things involving a grand jury, for instance. And no doubt, there is stuff in there that would compromise national security if made public.
In a few weeks, we'll get most of it. I doubt it will make a difference. Rather than grasping at the straws that there might be some nuggets of information in it that will cause Trump voters to quit him, I prefer to focus on getting people excited about voting for our Democratic nominee.
Johnny2X2X
(19,114 posts)They said Barr will give a more detailed summary, that's all the public will see.
It will need to be leaked to be seen.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Things have certainly changed since I made that post.
ScratchCat
(2,002 posts)Pelosi, Schumer and Schiff need to call for a prime time press conference where they spell out what's going on and that the only reason the WH and Barr would be refusing to release the actual report is because it doesn't say what Barr is claiming it says. Without revealing info, state that his vague summary regarding collusion contradicts established court record(note these court records). Take 30 minutes or so to detail how Barr was selected, what his conflict of interest is and how if the report says what Barr claims, there would be no reason to not release Mueller's summary. Finish with the statement that if it is not received within 48 hours, they will have no choice but to subpoena Mueller, Rosenstein and Barr.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Into every aspect of Trump's Presidency.
Actual Congressional oversight that was absent for 2 years.
Johonny
(20,889 posts)Since the GOP seems free to talk about what's in the report, I see no reason for the Dems not to do the same. For starters, claim there is evidence of Trump crimes in the report. I mean hammer it home. Trump is covering up crimes. This is the GOP play book. Without the report, you can basically say anything you want. SO SAY THE WORST THINGS YOU CAN THINK OF. The only way to shut you up is to release it. After they release it, the news is the report and not all the * you said. ;0