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AOC: Removing Horrific Trump Wont Solve Our Much Deeper Problems
Freshman congresswoman says the president alone isnt the problem. Its the party that embraced him.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-trump-symptom_n_5c98612fe4b057f7330c97e8
By Ed Mazza
He can stay, he can go. He can be impeached, or voted out in 2020, she wrote on Twitter, then added:
But removing Trump will not remove the infrastructure of an entire party that embraced him; the dark money that funded him; the online radicalization that drummed his army; nor the racism he amplified + reanimated.
Ocasio-Cortez said those deeper problems included income inequality, racism, corruption and a willingness to excuse bigotry. And those, she wrote, cant be fixed with an election:
Its not as easy as voting. It means having uncomfortable moments convos w/ loved ones, w/ media, w/ those we disagree, and yes - within our own party, too.
Its on all of us.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) March 24, 2019
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This is an important voice American voice. I am more impressed by her daily.
ck4829
(35,094 posts)Turbineguy
(37,372 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,461 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)Reacting on MSNBC Sunday to Attorney General William Barrs summary of special counsel Robert Muellers Russia probe report, Buttigieg warned Democrats that weve got to be paying attention to the kinds of conditions that made it possible for somebody like [Trump] to get here in the first place.
I would argue a figure like this president should never have been able to come within cheating distance of the Oval Office, and I fear that if were not paying attention to the causes that hes a symptom of, then not only is it possible for him to succeed in 2020, but we could also find ourselves with another figure like him or even worse in the future, he said.
eta: "RWTP" admits they had to steal it? really?
FM123
(10,054 posts)2naSalit
(86,830 posts)and is masterful in articulating her points. I hope she stays with us for a while and inspires others in the direction we need to go.
Takket
(21,640 posts)Even when drumpf is gone we are left with the ugly festering wound that he has torn the scab off of.
The undeniable truth that a ROCK SOLID 1/3 of our country is :
Stupid
Filled with hate
Completely racist
That is a BAD combination.
And they are not going ANYWHERE
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)under-educated and economically stressed to the point where they are looking for a savior who is going to fix everything. In other words, they are very vulnerable to the next demigod who comes along and promises them the moon!
Edited to add: they are also the very group that Dem policies would help the most. But they are brain-washed against Democrats.
marble falls
(57,350 posts)because one day the poor could be wealthy, too. Wealth is not the product of sharing, its the product of gathering and keeping it in the hands of as few as possible.
TommyCelt
(838 posts)...is the idea that the rock-solid 1/3 may be more than that, as more of these true believers become emboldened by this climate.
My country looks less and less like my country every single day.
Lonestarblue
(10,106 posts)We tend to think of Trumps core voters as those in rural areas who are undereducated and depend only on Fox News for their daily dose of propaganda. But the suburbs are also bastions of Trump support among those who want to pay as little tax as possible and want their children to go to Christian or charter schools paid for by other taxpayers or public schools that are located in their white, well-off communities where few people of color live. These people are mostly well educated, and they may not particularly like Trump, but he fulfills their wishes for preserving their white privilege.
Heres an example from here in Texas. We do not have a state income tax, so the cost of education falls heavily on property taxes, which have become too steep for average earners to afford in many areas. The state uses a Robin Hood approach to transfer tax dollars from the wealthier districts to poor ones that do not raise as much prooerty tax money. Some parents in wealthy districts have been arguing for the state to abandon that practice because they argue that the taxes they pay should be used only for their schools, which of course are primarily white. The notion that taxes should be used for the benefit of all and that the nation benefits from the education of all kids takes a back seat to their selfishness and protection of their own privilege. This group is larger than we might believe and I think helps to explain the 80% or so Republicans who think Trump is doing a great job.
True Blue American
(17,994 posts)That were formed to rip off tax payers.
Scandal after Scandal from the Governers friends until we had this. In the last budget he took so much away from Education his Republican Legislature put it back.
https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2018/08/both_democratic_and_gop_office.html
Keep in mind that is that nice, moderate Christian Republican
global1
(25,285 posts)and we must not make the same mistake in 2020 as we did in 2016. The Dems need to run against the Repug Party and not make the 2020 election solely about Trump. Trump is the big distraction - as the Repug Party - slowly dismantles this Democracy.
mwb970
(11,367 posts)They all took turns saying how "stupid" and "idiotic" AOC is, blissfully unaware of the Overton Window and her role in expanding the range of opinions under discussion, a necessary prerequisite to change. They are not just missing the forest for the trees; they are missing the forest while harshly critiquing one tiny piece of bark on one tree.
I didn't say anything.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)She's right on point. We are operating from BEHIND the 8-Ball as it relates to what fuels Trump and why Election 2016 went down the way it did. We are also operating in fantasy land thinking the Rule of Law will "Save The Day". The Rule of Law has been broken beyond repair until we face the facts outlined above and realize MONEY CONTROLS THE GAME, POWER CONTROLS MONEY ---- unless we fix it, which is doubtful as hell at this point.
TygrBright
(20,772 posts)c-rational
(2,596 posts)America by George Packer (Than you to the DUer that recommended it), and both the book and my observations tell me it took us a longtime to get to this point. Once we retake the White House and the Senate there will be a lot of heavy lifting required.
Buzz Lightyear
(73 posts)at the end.
marble falls
(57,350 posts)ck4829
(35,094 posts)marble falls
(57,350 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)With 13 Posts In The TRUTH can be hard to hear but it pops up around here every now and then without Spin. Might want to get use to it.
KPN
(15,665 posts)KG
(28,753 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)marble falls
(57,350 posts)demmiblue
(36,901 posts)HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)Criticism. [Much pearl clutching].
DeminPennswoods
(15,290 posts)nt
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Cosmocat
(14,575 posts)nm
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)krkaufman
(13,438 posts)I think that's a mixed metaphor you stepped-in.
KPN
(15,665 posts)Wow! There are some in DC who give me real hope. She is one. She may be the best of them in this regard. Her words are like pictures.
watoos
(7,142 posts)is being able to change the narrative. This is why Republicans fear her. The far right American oligarchs control the narrative, control cable news, yes even msnbc. I turned on msnbc at 9 AM today to have distraction while I was riding my bike. Chris Jansen was on and I couldn't quite reach the remote to turn the TV off so I agonized for 35 minutes. Wow, I mean, I only watch Nicolle Wallace and Rachel and I can see why, msnbc is almost as bad as Fox.
I did see a promo while I was riding that AOC will be on Chris Hayes tonight so I will tune in to that.
Al Franken had the gift to change the far right narrative, it's why they took him out.
I cringe when I see "Democrats" attacking AOC. One doesn't have to agree with all of her ideas, I don't, but I also think she is top 3 in importance to the Democratic party.
Not to mention, she will turn out the young voters.
George II
(67,782 posts)krkaufman
(13,438 posts)So much focus is just on Trump being a bad guy, Trump's "hostile takeover" of the GOP, rather than Trump simply being inevitable given the core problems of the GOP.
Trump is just a symptom, the gangrenous foot of the diabetic. With the foot removed, the root disease will remain, fostered by the unhealthy media diet fed to the GOP base.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)colorado_ufo
(5,738 posts)He is a huge fan of AOC!
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Young people have vastly different ideas than entrenched politicians.
George II
(67,782 posts)Instead of lowering the age limit, maybe we should repeal the Twenty Second Amendment?
colorado_ufo
(5,738 posts)Well I am a big fan of AOC, no matter how brilliant a young person is, there is nothing to substitute a certain level up experience. That can only be gained through time.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Why bring it up here at all? Do you have no opinion on what AOC said? I really don't need an answer, I know why you brought it up. Have a wonderful day George.
George II
(67,782 posts)....based on something someone said that Obama has said several times before, perhaps we should find a way to allow the person who said it originally to be president again, i.e., repeal the 22nd amendment?
The reason I "brought it up here at all" is that what everyone is happy about is something that has been said a number of times by President Obama.
If you know why I brought it up (which you don't, actually), why even ask the question?
Autumn
(45,120 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)oldsoftie
(12,628 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)krkaufman
(13,438 posts)whathehell
(29,096 posts)whathehell
(29,096 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)The only thing that has changed since this weekend is that it is highly unlikely trump will be removed from office before the end of his first term. He's still a criminal, cad, racist, bigot, POS, buffoon, etc.
whathehell
(29,096 posts)but it is a start.
Buckeyeblue
(5,502 posts)To me the root cause is that the active minority in this country of "Christian" evangelicals lost their shit over the popularity that the Obama's have with the country and world. They fly in the face of everything the evangelicals are against:
Diversity
Equality in a marriage
Intelligence enhanced by formal education
A minority in a position of power
A worldview of humanity
A strong woman (a strong black woman)
The Clinton's drove this group crazy because they hit many of these sore points but they were white.
The cure is more time. These people will eventually die out, even quicker now that they don't want to immunize. I don't see a middle ground.
Mariana
(14,861 posts)It wasn't a minority of Christians, and it wasn't just Evangelicals. It's not helpful to pretend this isn't true.
Non-Christians, on the other hand, voted overwhelmingly for Clinton.
Buckeyeblue
(5,502 posts)Mariana
(14,861 posts)They are the mainstream.
A minority of the population voted for Clinton, too, although it was a larger minority than voted for Trump. More eligible voters stayed home than voted for either of them.
Buckeyeblue
(5,502 posts)Mariana
(14,861 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:50 PM - Edit history (1)
Updating and my bad: AOC is what I meant
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)I'm very very rattled today from the Mueller report. But still.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is Presidential material.
dlk
(11,580 posts)The problems go much deeper than Trump. He is merely a toxic symptom.
AllaN01Bear
(18,520 posts)yaesu
(8,020 posts)to impeach, to censure, raising all sorts of hell. When has taking the high road ever helped the Democratic party or the country when dealing with fascists. Its war.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)How can so much wisdom be packed into a 29 year old head. And, importantly, it is not going to her head.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)This isn't rocket science. Bit of a strawman.
Farmer-Rick
(10,216 posts)Removing 'Horrific' Trump Won't Solve Our 'Much Deeper Problems' But it will take care of an immediate problem of a severe security breach in the WH called Traitor Trump.
The real problem is that we allow a handful of infinitely greedy and nasty men to own over 50% of a nation's wealth. Those men are going to always f*ck up our democracy because they can. They don't want no stinking democracy, they want a dictatorship of their choosing. Hence the traitor and Nazi Trump.
Yavin4
(35,447 posts)We didn't think that they could do worse than W., but we were wrong.
Now, we don't think that they could do worse than Trump, but we are wrong about that as well.
They can and will do worse than Trump if that infrastructure is left standing.
niyad
(113,602 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)No matter what the final report will indicate, these problems have been aparently since well before "President Trump" was even a possiblity. Need to crush Republicans at every level, regain the narrative, and get people to feel that we're fundamentally superior. They've gained so much ground in propaganda dissemination, education, and election favortism that everything is an uphill battle. Marginalized people are the first to feel the effects of these failures, and they're a huge part of our base.
Joediss
(84 posts)The uncomfortable conservation's that she is talking about having is bs, It got me in a fist fight, good luck trying to communicate with people that are brain washed by a cult, let me know how that all work out for you all.Voting these SOBS out is the only solution.
Uncle Joe
(58,452 posts)Thanks for the thread marble falls.
marble falls
(57,350 posts)but she's kept her head and kept up the pressure. She's one of the most calm and collected members of Congress.
And she was right about Amazon. No more welfare checks to Jeff Bezos and his ilk.
SaintLouisBlues
(1,244 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)http://fortune.com/2018/09/07/obama-trump-speech/
Caliman73
(11,750 posts)I love President Obama's speeches and he was certainly in a very different and unique situation but the one criticism I have is that there were times, that speech being one of them, where he did not name names. President Obama was always very erudite and diplomatic. There were obvious times when he struck back and could lay a verbal beat down on someone, but mainly he did not go to ground with Republicans.
In the speech you cited he said, "the status quo pushes back" which is true, but WHO is the status quo?
People are reacting to AOC because she speaks more plainly but still maintains an air of professionalism. She calls out Trump by name and says plainly that the Republicans who allow Trump to do the horrific things he is doing is actually a bigger problem because it actually is their intention and their agenda that he is undertaking.
I know that it seems annoying that many people are anointing AOC before she has served even a full term as REP but you have to admit that she is definitely helping to put out an anti-Republican narrative that is upsetting the Republicans because she is correct.
themaguffin
(3,828 posts)AOC should caveat her comments better, otherwise this sounds like a comment from a privileged position.
For waaayyy too many people, his being in office is a danger and in some ways, all Americans given his lack of regard in foreign policy, not mention being OWNED by Putin.
marble falls
(57,350 posts)some of those narrow squeak Congressional wins from last November. We need to lock on the relativity few Senate seats, we need to get people registered and voting.
themaguffin
(3,828 posts)oldsoftie
(12,628 posts)dont assume that means they'll go vote for a Dem instead. There are 3 outcomes; stay with trump, stay home or vote for the Dem. Whoever the Democrtic candidate is, they need to at least make sure the first option doesnt happen
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)ooky
(8,930 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I have to disagree that the problem long term is a particular party. Before alerting on me, let me explain.
The post 1865 Democratic Party was a deeply or heavily racist party up until 1932 when it began to morph toward the party that the Democratic Party is today. Southern racists and their northern allies still had a hard grip on the party until Hubert Himphrey and other early progressives began to challenge them, resulting in the division's seen at the 1948 Democratic Party Convention. Southern racists began to peel away from the party looking for a refuge, but could not fully find that with the old Republican Party, which was pro business but not yet pro segregation. Then along came the Civil Rights Act and southern racists went nuts. The Republican Party saw that Blacjs were going more Democratic Party, so it started to welcome in southern politicians. Then came Barry Goldwater in 1965 with his very overt appeal to harsh racial feelings, he performed well in the South and some places in the West. Richard Nixon and his people saw how well Goldwater did in the South and devised the "Southern Strategy" to take advantage of White southerners' hatreds (not all southerners, but a buttload of them). With the southern strategy, the Republican Party went full tilt racist, while the Democratic Party continued to move toward equality for everyone. Then came other issues like women's rights, LGBTQ rights and the nation started betting browner as racial diversity increased. The Democratic Party embraced the change and welcomed in those on the outside, the Republican Party entrenched more around it's mostly White, intolerant base. Then came more Muslims in the country, and we come to where we are today.
This is the point that I want to make. The hardcore racist, mysogonist, anti immigrant, Islamophobic base of the Republican Party REALLY does not care which party does it's bidding as long as it can win elections with whatever party it is aligned with. I don't remotely believe that the Democratic Party will ever again do their bidding. I also believe that the majority of the country is drifting away from them toward more freedoms. What the haters will do is attach themselves to the most popular movement, we are seeing that with racists loving an obstensively progressive message that is being espoused by some people (not necessarily politicians, they can be writers, news people, businesspeople). The haters will latch themselves to whatever wins and can maintain influence in the country's affairs for them.
I have travelled to a lot of places and now several parts of the country well. One thing that I notice in my republican majority county is the number of interacial children, yesterday I was out and noticed around five families, three of them were interacial families. I really do not see that anywhere else in the country by casual observation when in a predominantly White part of my town going about my business. My part of the South is changing, we are getting more and more racially blended families, in a cludgy way Mark Meadows hit on that by his claim that he has interacial nephews and nieces to ward off being called a racist (he is). At some point places like my county will be vastly different in a positive way, that will leave the racists and haters scurrying for another refuge. So who knows where they will find it. They could find it with the stinking remnants of the Republican Party, or they may find it with people (and they won't necessarily be conservative democrats) that split off from our party. AOC is right on what the cancers are, but they can morp into places where we least suspect them to go.
Hulk
(6,699 posts)"amazing rush", but not necessarily a great feeling. This freshman congresswoman definitely needs time to settle in to the new gig, but fox, limpballs, vannity, and every other reich wing pig hangs on her every word. Gives them something to unite around....hatred.
Are_grits_groceries
(17,111 posts)Trump is the immediate problem and it damn sure matters whether he stays or goes.
He can do quite a few things as we have seen. The craven GOP wont stop him.
If we do not get rid of him ASAP, he will continue to cause chaos.
In the long run, she is right. However, we are not going to have a long run if he or his ilk stays.
Her answer is short-sighted.