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If this true, changes narrative (Original Post) gabeana Mar 2019 OP
Two problems customerserviceguy Mar 2019 #1
Nope. The Democrats in the House are Iliyah Mar 2019 #2
Maybe they can customerserviceguy Mar 2019 #4
This makes sense. There were a number of Democrats Glimmer of Hope Mar 2019 #3
That's a damn cop-out Azathoth Mar 2019 #5
Leon Jaworski "punted" by your definition. He sent all the evidence to Congress pnwmom Mar 2019 #10
That's not entirely true Azathoth Mar 2019 #12
He indicted no one in the administration except for Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Cohen, and Stone. pnwmom Mar 2019 #13
I think mueller did his job as he saw it - present the facts onetexan Mar 2019 #6
Yes, but Catherine Vincent Mar 2019 #7
Yes..Barr IS the problem. That swine has a history of legalizing treason. 912gdm Mar 2019 #8
That Cartoon True Blue American Mar 2019 #14
Yes, barr IS the problem. joshdawg Mar 2019 #11
K&R, The upcoming KGOP montra is "No Full Report Dems Should Move On" (link inside) uponit7771 Mar 2019 #9

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
1. Two problems
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:28 AM
Mar 2019

First, another shadowy unnamed source, who could even be out there spewing misinformation to make sure that the Democratic majority in the House stays focused on impeachment, instead of the upcoming primary season. Second, whatever articles of impeachment the House sends to the Senate will be DOA, because Republicon Senators have just been given cover.

The straw-grasping is ferocious today.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
4. Maybe they can
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:36 AM
Mar 2019

It's the voters ability to multitask that I'm most concerned about. Every minute of TV time devoted to Trump-oriented hearings and investigations is a minute taken away from the eventual Democratic nominee.

Look how well Pete Buttigieg is doing with a bit of TV face time. Other than Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders, most of the folks running are relative unknowns to the general public. TV time is a partial remedy for that.

Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
5. That's a damn cop-out
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:38 AM
Mar 2019

Mueller might not be empowered to indict the president, but it's his fucking job to determine whether the president's actions are lawful or not. He fucking punted, bigly.

pnwmom

(109,000 posts)
10. Leon Jaworski "punted" by your definition. He sent all the evidence to Congress
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 02:36 AM
Mar 2019

for Congress to make the determination.

That's what Mueller intended to do -- but this time, there was a William Barr blocking him.

We won't know exactly what happened till the House brings Mueller there to testify.

Azathoth

(4,611 posts)
12. That's not entirely true
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 03:42 AM
Mar 2019

First, Mueller's job was not to advise Congress, it was to pick up an ongoing FBI criminal investigation. The report is a summary of his findings and recommendations for the DOJ.

Second, Jaworski's grand jury outright drafted an indictment of Nixon. They pulled their punch at the last moment and instead submitted a report directly to Congress that was effectively a skeleton indictment. Meanwhile, they indicted and prosecuted everyone else who wasn't the president.

Mueller sounds like he took an "only the pope can judge a king" approach. He indicted no one in the administration and apparently tried to punt on everything related to them. That's a far cry from Jaworski (whose own decisions, incidentally, are not some kind of authoritative precedent.)

pnwmom

(109,000 posts)
13. He indicted no one in the administration except for Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Cohen, and Stone.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 03:47 AM
Mar 2019

And he had guilty pleas from all except Stone, whose trial is in November.

onetexan

(13,067 posts)
6. I think mueller did his job as he saw it - present the facts
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:45 AM
Mar 2019

let congress decide, and let the chips fall where they may. Barr is the problem here.

joshdawg

(2,651 posts)
11. Yes, barr IS the problem.
Mon Mar 25, 2019, 02:55 AM
Mar 2019

He was picked by trump because he feels that the president is right, no matter what the facts say.
barr will lie, cheat, steal to ensure trump "wins."

BTW, am I the only one who believes barr looks like the character Norm on Cheers?

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