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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMueller's Final Move: (on why no charges YET for Don Jr and others)...
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Workin backwards, bringin conspiracy charges wouldnt be frugal. If Mueller took on the task of prosecutin Don Jr, Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort for the now-famous Trump Tower meetin, it would require extendin his charter for at least two more years, for such a case would be fought all the way to the Supreme Court and back. This would greatly extend the cost of his mission and add fuel to fire for his critics. The Special Counsel is designed more as an investigative collaboration, rather than a prosecutorial one. So the idea of recreatin an entire team to do the work done every day by any of our federal districts wouldnt be expedient.
Proper plays a vital role. Since Mueller plays by the book, his primary directive would be for a case to be tried where the venue is proper. Ask yourself the simple question, Where did the bulk of the alleged Trump-Russia conspiracy take place? and you have your answer: New York City. It would be silly for Mueller to prosecute Trump, Kush and the rest of Team Treason in D.C. when the crime took place in New York, right?
Simply put, this is smart! If Mueller prosecuted Diaper Donnie, Trump could pull the plug on Muellers charter and wed litigate it in the courts until doomsday just to get the case back on track. But placin the venue in the purview of the Sovereign District of New York is a stroke of genius, safely away from Trumps pryin baby hands. Its frugal because SDNY is budgeted for just such actions. Its expedient because SDNY is fully staffed and ready to roll. The venue is proper and, dang it, its just plain smart.
So dont be surprised if Monday mornin or one day real soon the SDNY drops the hammer on Little Donnie, Kush, Manafort, et, al. This would be the perfect setup for Individual-1 to be revealed in Muellers report as an unindicted co-conspirator in the Trump-Russia conspiracy.
bluestarone
(17,025 posts)Fully agree! Good post!
OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)Lawyer Who Bested Roy Cohn Tapped for Big Gig in SDNY
https://www.courthousenews.com/lawyer-who-bested-roy-cohn-tapped-for-big-gig-in-sdny/
Even with Cohn in their corner, however, Joseph Gambino, the cousin of boss of all bosses Carlo Bambino, and his right-hand man Carlo Conti, failed to secure a reversal from the Second Circuit.
These findings of the experienced trial judge cannot lightly be set aside, a unanimous three-judge panel ruled in 1977. Nor do we see any reason for so doing.
The case was an early success for rookie prosecutor Audrey Strauss, a graduate of Columbia Law School who edited appellate briefs in her new job at the Southern District of New York.
Strauss would go on to field more than 20 other cases before she was promoted in 1983 to the chief of appeals in the Criminal Division and chief of the Securities and Commodities Fraud Unit.
On Friday, Strauss returned to the Southern District to serve as second-in-command to U.S. Attorney George Berman, succeeding the prosecutor who secured the conviction of disgraced former Trump fixer Michael Cohen.
OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)From Wikipedia
In 1990 he became the United States Assistant Attorney General in charge of the United States Department of Justice Criminal Division.[20] During his tenure, he oversaw prosecutions including that of Panamanian leader Manuel Noriega, the Pan Am Flight 103 (Lockerbie bombing) case, and of the Gambino crime family boss John Gotti.[32]
Maybe we Little Brains are deemed incapable of grasping the scope of Robert Mueller Et Al's Board Game.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)from DOJ, is not correct (which is fine by me).
hlthe2b
(102,343 posts)--not to mention that "from DOJ" in this context would have referred to "Special Counsel" or at least "MAIN JUSTICE", thus not at all excluding SDNY from indicting.
OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)jaysunb
(11,856 posts)then drop the hammer.
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)WhiteTara
(29,721 posts)hlthe2b
(102,343 posts)WhiteTara
(29,721 posts)albacore
(2,405 posts)Heres a list of all the ongoing government investigations that could spell legal trouble for trump, regardless of whether hes President, and the people and entities associated with him.
"Federal Jurisdictions
Many of the investigations that Muellers team prosecuted or referred to other prosecutors ended up in federal attorneys offices in the Washington, D.C., area. Even though the special counsels probe is over, some of the investigations remain ongoing. Heres whats left, as far as we know:
The United States Attorneys Office for the Southern District of New York
At least three investigations in this district have not yet concluded. Prosecutors are reportedly looking into the financial dealings of Trumps inauguration committee, which took in a record $107 million for the festivities surrounding his inauguration, in January 2017. In February, prosecutors subpoenaed a wide range of documents from the inauguration committee, and investigators seem particularly interested in whether it took money from donors connected to Middle Eastern governments.
Prosecutors in the Southern District of New York are also reportedly looking into whether Manafort, as chairman of Trumps campaign, illegally coordinated with a pro-Trump super PAC, Rebuilding America Now, and whether that super PAC also received donations from people connected to Qatar and other Middle Eastern countries. These investigations have not yet led to any indictments or charges."
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/after-mueller-ongoing-investigations-trump/585376/
Quixote1818
(28,960 posts)Would it day nothing at all?
Mr.Bill
(24,317 posts)Who can?
euphorb
(279 posts)That's because the US Attorney (Geoffrey Berman), because he is a presidential appointee, but he is recused from these cases. The staff prosecutors -- all the other attorneys in that office -- are civil service hires and can be fired only for cause.
Mr.Bill
(24,317 posts)DontBooVote
(901 posts)FakeNoose
(32,723 posts)Also he's a true-blue Dem who masquerades as a "former" Tea Partier.
former9thward
(32,068 posts)But it will keep the CTers going until after the 2020 election. Then if a Democrat wins they will keep going for another 4 years claiming the DOJ is about to indict.
cstanleytech
(26,317 posts)to make it difficult for Trump to abuse his pardon powers.
garybeck
(9,942 posts)Been reported by many
cstanleytech
(26,317 posts)be revealed openly as it could give someone time to prepare.
garybeck
(9,942 posts)At this point to think there are sealed indictments. The reporting says there are none. If there were some they could just leave it unanswered and not say anything
cstanleytech
(26,317 posts)documents so it again would kind of defeat the whole purpose of sealing them in the first place.
Now I grant you that does not mean such a thing exists and more likely Mueller already referred anything to other parties for further investigation which should concern Trump more especially if its some of the other states.
After all he can only protect his family and himself via a pardon from federal crimes he cannot do shit about state level ones.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)Blue Owl
(50,489 posts)n/t
KPN
(15,649 posts)and our country back to or a reasonabl facsimile of normal.
SergeStorms
(19,204 posts)that's going to be up to US in the 2020 elections. We all wanted Mueller to start the process of Stump removal, but that's not going to happen. What Mueller has started is Stump grinding. He's seeded other courts, in other jurisdictions, with enough evidence to bring Stump down 10X over, but that's going to happen at a slower pace that we would have liked.
I'll be satisfied if the American people remove this stain on our country's history in 2020. Then I'll be elated when these other courts take Stump down monetarily and perhaps deny him - and his grifting family - their freedom a little farther down the road after he's out of office. Then we'll have a Democratic president in office who will not pardon these venal assholes. Ever.
KPN
(15,649 posts)But yeah, we have to win 2020 regardless.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)Vote the Republicans out of every office in the land. The local and state elections are just, if not more important, then the Federal one. Just consider what they can do in regard to Gerrymandering and vote restriction along with their war on abortions. Just consider the influence of the Christian rightwing fanatics and their affect on local issues. The way to winning is to deny the extreme right wing crackpots their representation by replacing them with Democrats.
KPN
(15,649 posts)we have any real influence on -- our own individual votes and our own effort to vote. Other than that, we can't trust anything, including the vote count.
It's not a pretty picture.
JAD
(187 posts)Nancy Pelosi went to Europe a couple of weeks ago and met with Angela Merkel. I am sure she picked up the paper trail tying drumpf to Russia. This investigation has tentacles in many European countries and is very complex. The trump organization is a large International Crime Organization.
Oppaloopa
(867 posts)JAD
(187 posts)Audrey Strauss. Look at her background.
Nancy Pelosi didn't make a big production out of going to meet Merkel. I don't think I saw anything regarding Nancy's trip to Europe on Democratic Underground but I believe Nancy already has the info Barr may try to hide.
I would bet my family farm that NATO countries do not want to hand any sensitive info off to any US intelligence agencies with trump appointees as the head. They don't want this info shared with Russia, Saudi Arabia, or North Korea or accidentally lost.
Does anyone have the link to the video on youtube from the Dutch journalist regarding the criminal trump org. and russia? I will have to try and find that video.
dmr
(28,349 posts)If you find it, I'd appreciate a heads up. I'd like to see it. Thanks
I agree with you regarding the NATO countries.
WestCoastDem42
(65 posts)I surely do hope you are right!
Firestorm49
(4,036 posts)Its all a game of Chess.
onenote
(42,747 posts)Not sure why the stories keep saying that her hiring coincided with Mueller's report being completed.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/manhattan-us-attorney-announces-appointment-senior-counsel-us-attorney
Stand and Fight
(7,480 posts)This is fucking Fitzmas expectations all over again. People are honestly surprised that the guy who set by while the Bush II administration committed tons of domestic crimes and is a life-long republican didn't find anything?! They're surprised that Trump's "justice" department found no evidence of a crime?! Color me not surprised. If Republicans excel at nothing, it's closing ranks.
Stuart G
(38,439 posts)Please read post 27, second one down after original post. ...About Audrey Straus....
In my opinion, this is not over, it is just moving to another theater for some more acts..I remember seeing the first Star Wars. (1977.then the second, and after the 2nd, it left us hanging..more..I said on the way out, I guess we got to see another) This feels the same. It is not over..It may look that way. There appears to be more coming. But, I could be totally wrong, ? Hopefully we will all find out..
I also watched Watergate very closely. It took a lot of time..but it did get Nixon..Why? He is/was a crook
........................................This will also take a lot of time..but they will get Trump. Why? He is a crook too.
R B Garr
(16,973 posts)President could be indicted. He was kind of smiling. Mueller apparently was reluctant to indict a sitting president.
Its not over yet.