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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSocialism is their name for anything that helps all people.
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--Harry Truman, 1952
Same shit, different century
handmade34
(22,758 posts)Out of the great progress of this country, out of our great advances in achieving a better life for all, out of our rise to world leadership, the Republican leaders have learned nothing. Confronted by the great record of this country, and the tremendous promise of its future, all they do is croak, socialism.
JHB
(37,162 posts)I'm resigned to the fact that most Americans don't "do" nuance about the word "socialism." I'm not out to educate people about what it is and isn't or what varieties of it there are. I'm not one, but I get called that by Republicans. I'm normally up for interesting debates, but this one is pointless. It's debating a brick wall, and the only thing to do is pry the bricks apart.
I'm just out to remind people that if you believe what Republicans today say counts as 'socialism' then we spent at least half of the 20th century as a 'socialist' nation. That's nuts, and it needs to be said over and over again.
The Movement Conservatism that became the Republicans' ruling ideology always hated social programs, but had particular venom for ones that worked. After all, successful ones argued for more, which to them was an abomination.
To them, it was all 'socialism' and 'communism'.
It hasn't changed much. If anything it's gotten worse as they've come closer to grabbing all the marbles: doing away with the last remnants of the New Deal and packing the courts with operatives who will make conservatively correct rulings.
They'll rail against "European socialism" as if they were talking about Warsaw Pact police states and not the same industrialized democracies that constitute the Free World that we used to be 'leader' of.
They invoked 'socialism' when Obama proposed a small increase in income taxes for people way up on the income scale. Taxes were higher for 6 of Reagan's 8 years, with a top rate of 50%, but somehow a change from 35% to 39.6% for taxable income above $400,000 counted as raising the red flag of revolution.
They can't win with their policies, so they scare. That's why the cultivated the base they did.
Anything that helps ordinary people is called 'socialist', conjuring the spectre of an alien ideology from a foreign land.
But checks and balances on the power of money and wealth aren't socialism. They are just that, checks and balances, and are as American as apple pie.
I don't have a cable news network. I don't have a radio show. I don't have Wingnut Welfare funding. But observing those over the years drove in the power of repetition.
So repeat:
They call everything they don't like 'socialism'
They call everything they don't like 'socialism'
They call everything they don't like 'socialism'
They call everything they don't like 'socialism'
and nobody, but nobody, is exempt from being accused of being a weak-kneed backslider. Everything they don't like is 'socialism'.
1976 book, from Reagan's bid to get Republican nomination instead of Ford
moondust
(20,006 posts)anything that stands in the way of them owning and controlling everything for maximum personal profit.
I suspect the French and Russian revolutions may have scared the hell out of them so they set out to use everything they had to make sure they would never have to similarly face the consequences of their insatiable greed.
Soph0571
(9,685 posts)... the revolution always happens.
moondust
(20,006 posts)ck4829
(35,091 posts)Things change.
Ferrets are Cool
(21,110 posts)with their propaganda machine. Just like Liberalism.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)believe that Obama was a socialist, when he was a slightly left centrist?
It is now also being associated with Venezuela.
When people don't understand what words mean to other people, in the current era, then they run the risk of their message backfiring.
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)His domestic+foreign policy would be center-right in any other democracy. The Republican Party is the most insane party in the world (only the minority DUP comes close) which makes him look left.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)I'm for that.
Call it Socialism.
Call it Marxism.
Call it Communism.
Call it whatever you want, I want to help everyone.
I am part of everyone.
I will not refuse help and I will give help whenever I can, and wherever I am am able.
kyburbonkid
(251 posts)CONservativism is a crock of shit and deserves to be shoved in the sewage pit that spawned it.
Name one thing that conservatives have done that doesn't suck.
Progressive dog
(6,920 posts)social welfare programs are not socialism. Harry was angry about those programs being called socialism because they are not.
https://reason.com/archives/2019/03/15/americans-are-still-confused-about-what
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/socialism
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism
watoos
(7,142 posts)Tax dollars that go to rich people is called capitalism.
Uncle Joe
(58,426 posts)Thanks for the thread Soph.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)And even more ridiculous that some elected officials opt to self-identify as such, when they are nothing of the sort.