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Soph0571

(9,685 posts)
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 05:39 PM Mar 2019

Socialism is their name for anything that helps all people.




Socialism is a scare word they've hurled at every advance the people have made. Socialism is what they called public power, social security, deposit insurance, and independent labor organizations. Socialism is their name for anything that helps all people.

--Harry Truman, 1952


Same shit, different century
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Socialism is their name for anything that helps all people. (Original Post) Soph0571 Mar 2019 OP
and... handmade34 Mar 2019 #1
Republicans call everything they don't like 'socialism' -- #2 JHB Mar 2019 #2
Basically, moondust Mar 2019 #3
But it is circular.... at some point... Soph0571 Mar 2019 #4
Dunno about now. moondust Mar 2019 #9
One paycheck not being enough and those guys with the armor and guns though... ck4829 Mar 2019 #10
Socialism is just another buzz word they can use Ferrets are Cool Mar 2019 #5
It's also used as a racist dogwhistle later on. Why do you think so many RW were eager to ehrnst Mar 2019 #6
Obama was a slightly right centrist. EndGOPPropaganda Mar 2019 #13
K&R ck4829 Mar 2019 #7
Whatever you want to call helping everyone, warmfeet Mar 2019 #8
I don't care what you call it... kyburbonkid Mar 2019 #11
Like Harry Truman explained Progressive dog Mar 2019 #12
Tax dollars that go to working class people is called Socialism. watoos Mar 2019 #14
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2019 #15
Which is why it's embarrassing to see so many "progressives" do the same. OilemFirchen Mar 2019 #16

handmade34

(22,758 posts)
1. and...
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 05:48 PM
Mar 2019

“Out of the great progress of this country, out of our great advances in achieving a better life for all, out of our rise to world leadership, the Republican leaders have learned nothing. Confronted by the great record of this country, and the tremendous promise of its future, all they do is croak, ‘socialism.’”

JHB

(37,162 posts)
2. Republicans call everything they don't like 'socialism' -- #2
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 05:53 PM
Mar 2019
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211856137
Needs to be said every day. Need a bumper sticker argument? Here it is.

I'm resigned to the fact that most Americans don't "do" nuance about the word "socialism." I'm not out to educate people about what it is and isn't or what varieties of it there are. I'm not one, but I get called that by Republicans. I'm normally up for interesting debates, but this one is pointless. It's debating a brick wall, and the only thing to do is pry the bricks apart.

I'm just out to remind people that if you believe what Republicans today say counts as 'socialism' then we spent at least half of the 20th century as a 'socialist' nation. That's nuts, and it needs to be said over and over again.

The Movement Conservatism that became the Republicans' ruling ideology always hated social programs, but had particular venom for ones that worked. After all, successful ones argued for more, which to them was an abomination.

To them, it was all 'socialism' and 'communism'.

It hasn't changed much. If anything it's gotten worse as they've come closer to grabbing all the marbles: doing away with the last remnants of the New Deal and packing the courts with operatives who will make conservatively correct rulings.

They'll rail against "European socialism" as if they were talking about Warsaw Pact police states and not the same industrialized democracies that constitute the Free World that we used to be 'leader' of.

They invoked 'socialism' when Obama proposed a small increase in income taxes for people way up on the income scale. Taxes were higher for 6 of Reagan's 8 years, with a top rate of 50%, but somehow a change from 35% to 39.6% for taxable income above $400,000 counted as raising the red flag of revolution.

They can't win with their policies, so they scare. That's why the cultivated the base they did.

Anything that helps ordinary people is called 'socialist', conjuring the spectre of an alien ideology from a foreign land.


But checks and balances on the power of money and wealth aren't socialism. They are just that, checks and balances, and are as American as apple pie.


I don't have a cable news network. I don't have a radio show. I don't have Wingnut Welfare funding. But observing those over the years drove in the power of repetition.

So repeat:
They call everything they don't like 'socialism'
They call everything they don't like 'socialism'
They call everything they don't like 'socialism'

They call everything they don't like 'socialism'



and nobody, but nobody, is exempt from being accused of being a weak-kneed backslider. Everything they don't like is 'socialism'.



1976 book, from Reagan's bid to get Republican nomination instead of Ford

moondust

(20,006 posts)
3. Basically,
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 06:09 PM
Mar 2019

anything that stands in the way of them owning and controlling everything for maximum personal profit.

I suspect the French and Russian revolutions may have scared the hell out of them so they set out to use everything they had to make sure they would never have to similarly face the consequences of their insatiable greed.


 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
6. It's also used as a racist dogwhistle later on. Why do you think so many RW were eager to
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 06:38 PM
Mar 2019

believe that Obama was a socialist, when he was a slightly left centrist?

It is now also being associated with Venezuela.

When people don't understand what words mean to other people, in the current era, then they run the risk of their message backfiring.

EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
13. Obama was a slightly right centrist.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:47 PM
Mar 2019

His domestic+foreign policy would be center-right in any other democracy. The Republican Party is the most insane party in the world (only the minority DUP comes close) which makes him look left.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
8. Whatever you want to call helping everyone,
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:16 PM
Mar 2019

I'm for that.

Call it Socialism.

Call it Marxism.

Call it Communism.

Call it whatever you want, I want to help everyone.

I am part of everyone.

I will not refuse help and I will give help whenever I can, and wherever I am am able.

kyburbonkid

(251 posts)
11. I don't care what you call it...
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:30 PM
Mar 2019

CONservativism is a crock of shit and deserves to be shoved in the sewage pit that spawned it.

Name one thing that conservatives have done that doesn't suck.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
14. Tax dollars that go to working class people is called Socialism.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 07:54 PM
Mar 2019

Tax dollars that go to rich people is called capitalism.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
16. Which is why it's embarrassing to see so many "progressives" do the same.
Sat Mar 16, 2019, 08:32 PM
Mar 2019

And even more ridiculous that some elected officials opt to self-identify as such, when they are nothing of the sort.

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