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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI don't envy the children of Lori Loughlin and/or Felicity Huffman when they return from Spring
Break.
Classrooms can be brutal when your classmates turn against you.
My guess is that they transfer or drop out.
rampartc
(5,440 posts)they will return to the same table in the cafeteria as before.
btw, if they had spent a little of that spring break time being serious about their classes ........
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Were talking about college here, right?
erpowers
(9,350 posts)Some colleges still have cafeterias. Some other colleges still have places where people can go an eat with their friends.
TeamPooka
(24,264 posts)Response to no_hypocrisy (Original post)
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Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Be out the door by the end of the week. Credits voided and sent packing. Let Mommy and Daddy figure out what to do with them.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)They would be gone already. Lets see if affluence rears its ugly head again.
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karynnj
(59,507 posts)It sounds like this has happened for years, so some may actually be in their senior year. All will face parents possibly going to jail and suffering economic punishments. Every one of those students are seeing their very comfortable lives being torn apart before their lives.
I think it would be a great idea for any of these students, who have succeeded for several semesters, to go to someone in authority in their school and ask if they could take a year of absence to do community service helping under privileged community to atone for letting and likely helping their parents unfairly get them into the prestigious school they are in. They could ask that any decision on letting them finish should be made as they complete that service or they and the school could agree that they should transfer elsewhere.
To me, this would show that they understand what they did was wrong.
TeamPooka
(24,264 posts)the institutions to lawsuits.
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)They most certainly will be.
madaboutharry
(40,234 posts)USC put out a statement that the status of students whose application process was involved in this scandal will be determined on a case by case basis. It seems it will be determined by the level of knowledge and whether they would have qualified in the absence of the fraud.
Lori Loughlin's daughter will need to have a good story as to why she was posing in fake pictures rowing a boat. Further, it seems from what was reported that this girl wasn't interested in going to college in the first place. I doubt she will return to school other than to collect her belongings from her dorm room.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I.e., better get that checkbook out again, Mom and Dad.
And the scam continues.
This whole thing is based on old money finding out new money found a gig of their own.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Rich girls are always sorority girls.
catbyte
(34,487 posts)YouTube channel (OMG, what drivel) and she's still in the dorm. But she was on the yacht of a USC Board member when news of her parents' arrest came down. Ugh.
Bettie
(16,132 posts)board members have a lot of pull.
In like Flynn, as they say.
SoCalNative
(4,613 posts)she was on the yacht of Rick Caruso, with his daughter with whom she has been friends for a long time.
Doubtful he will pull any strings for her, as it's likely he's the one who insisted she get off the boat when all of this broke.
912gdm
(959 posts)"No way! Oh my gawd Becky, your being expelled!"
"Wha???? Im being expelled? Whats that mean?"
I like big butts and I can not lie
You other brothers can't deny
That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
And a round thing in your face
You get sprung, want to pull up tough
'Cause you notice that butt was stuffed
Deep in the jeans she's wearing
I'm hooked and I can't stop staring
Oh baby, I want to get wit'cha
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)"Oh my gawd Aunt Becky, your daughter's being expelled"
whathehell
(29,096 posts)DU don't do no dumb sexist rap lyrics here".
jmowreader
(50,567 posts)"It's Orchestral Movements From The Hood Night..."
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)They cheated to get into the school and should be removed as soon as they can pack up their things. Their credits should be voided and they can go apply elsewhere.
Fullduplexxx
(7,872 posts)But it's hard to know who knew and who didnt or which of them would even care .
R B Garr
(16,997 posts)daughter has said she didnt really want to be there. *
As this goes on, it does seem like an unfair burden of the publicity over this has fallen on the two actresses whose faces are usually used as the lead story. I could see one of them asking their publicist what the recourse to that is, if any. Maybe plaster someone else and spread the joy.
*editI guess Olivia Jades instagram is being trolled and some are trying to get Sephora to drop her. That is a bit extreme to try and harm her further. Why try and ruin her other resources and contacts.
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scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 14, 2019, 10:32 AM - Edit history (1)
She knew her application had that falsehood on it.
Luciferous
(6,086 posts)True Blue American
(17,994 posts)Is that Lori Laughlin said, She wanted her children to have the College experience she did not have, But taught them it is fine to lie and cheat to get there.
My kids and now Grandson earned theirs the hard way, study, work hard to get there.
This is so revolting of what the privileged do to get what they want.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)State school, less selective private school, etc.
But they took admissions away from people who worked hard to get there.
LisaM
(27,843 posts)I don't know why he picked on ASU in particular; I'm sure you can get a dandy education there if you have the will to do it.
Even if the kids knowingly posed for pictures, they weren't adults. Period. We hesitate to try (some) kids as adults for a variety of crimes because they're underage, and presumably most of these kids were underage when the cheating happened. Yes, they were children of privilege, but I agree that this should be a case-by-case basis, just like with any criminal charge for a minor.
SoCalNative
(4,613 posts)she will take over his company at some point in time. Can't have a state school grad running that!
LisaM
(27,843 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 14, 2019, 06:17 PM - Edit history (1)
Funny how Hallmark cut ties with Lori Loughlin already. Do you suppose Target will cut ties with the Mossimo label?
UPDATE - Target apparently stopped the Mossimo brand in 2017. I bet they are pretty happy right now!
TeamPooka
(24,264 posts)I'll rent them a dorm room, throw pep rallies, hang out with the friends in the courtyard, everything except having to go to class.
I will make a fortune.
Beverly Hills College Experience, trademark pending
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)break. I'm supposed to feel sorry for the poor little rich girl who's parents are raising rotten people?
Sorry nope I don't feel sorry not one bit when I pay half my fucking salary to rent. FUCK THEM.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)will be fine. They are attending college for bragging rights, not for any need or desire to receive an education.
hlthe2b
(102,421 posts)given her yachting adventure when this all broke, so I'd guess they won't care.
Huffman's daughters may be in a different situation. Perhaps they ACTUALLY wanted to be there to learn. Who knows?
3Hotdogs
(12,440 posts)FakeNoose
(32,826 posts)... why would they even want to be at those ivy-league schools?
The idea of parents buying their kid's acceptance at a particular school is so destructive ... for the child! Who cares what the parents are willing to do, it's whether their child will ever earn anything by their own efforts and abilities. Somehow the middle class parents (people I know) had this figured out long ago. Extremely wealthy people will never figure it out.
catbyte
(34,487 posts)From The Daily Mail (if you can believe them, but this was from the indictment):
Buckingham is the owner of the now defunct market research firm, Youth Intelligence. She sold the company in 2003.
She is charged in the scheme for allegedly paying $50,000 to have someone else take her son's ACT exam in July 2018 because he had tonsilitis.
Buckingham sent a handwriting sample for her son to a test taker and had him take a fake exam at home so he wouldn't know about the fraud, court documents indicate.
This article has the full list of people indicted. It looks like some USC coaches and officials are in deep shit.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6806497/Lori-Loughlins-daughter-spring-break-USC-officials-yacht-college-bribery-scandal-broke.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490
True Blue American
(17,994 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 14, 2019, 10:39 AM - Edit history (1)
To find out what his parents are.
Here we have had one expose after another in Charter Schools where the owner was paying people to take tests, lying about how many students they have, stealing, bankrupcies. One after another.
The biggest was an online Charter School, stole millions. Everyone was approved by a Republican Governor who is now telling people he is a fine, Religious man you can trust.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)But then, again, if they were mental titans, they wouldn't be in their situation to begin with.
If my parents had offered me an ACT to take at home, I'd have asked them WTF they were talking about. Even I knew that shit just didn't happen.
catbyte
(34,487 posts)believe your mom or dad? I would've. Then again, my folks wouldn't have dreamed of doing such a thing. Hell, my folks packed me up, dropped me off at college, and that was it. I was on my own. Oh, I still went home summers for the first couple of years, and got a few bucks from them now and then, but that was it. Most of these kids were in on the scam, especially the ones who participated in the fake sports photos, but I can't blame all of them. It's just too bad that, even if the duped ones aren't expelled, their education will always have an * next to it. But if their folks are rich enough to participate in this sort of scam, they'll still be okay.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)There were no other options available to me, aside from doing the hard work and going to the public library for study materials and practice exams for the standardized admissions tests.That helped me enormously.
mercuryblues
(14,547 posts)They had to of known. I have gone through the college app process X4. It is very involved and requires the kids input. Just to apply to take the SAts/ACT requires ID. You apply online, you have to send them a photo of yourself similar to a passport photo. That is attached to your file. When you go to the testing place, you show them your government issued ID. They are compared. I do not believe the kid did not know his mother arranged, at the last minute a stand in for her son. It had to have been planned from the application process to have the correct photo and time to get a forged iD to match it. A last minute stand in because your kid is sick? No fucking way.
When you take the exam the only thing you are allowed is a calculator. Not a phone or PC with a calculator. A Scientific calculator. All electronics turned off and left in your car or in your backpack which is stored out of reach. They are not going to let you take that exam at home.
I read one of Huffman's daughters got 1000 on her 1st SAT. Then somehow got a DR's note saying she had ADHD which enabled her to take the test with additional time. That required a special proctor. The kid had to sign up for a specific date to get the paid-off proctor who then changed her answers. A few months later she scored 1400. You can't tell me that, that kid did not know she was scamming the system. She actually thought she was smart enough to score 1400, a 400 point increase.
Callalily
(14,897 posts)that the children did not know what was going on. Tests taken for them? Sports that they do not participate in? Com on . . .
obamanut2012
(26,158 posts)And, no one had a test taken for them. The students took the tests, then Mark Riddle changed answers to raise the score.
catbyte
(34,487 posts)fake "proctor" in attendance while all the time they had a ringer taking the actual test. The kid was sick at home with tonsillitis. Now, that is some deceptive shit, right there. And I do feel bad for that kid.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 14, 2019, 10:32 AM - Edit history (1)
She's practically auditioning to become another Kardashian, and has no interest in scholastic achievement.
They've had everything handed to them their entire lives.... their parents had to cheat for them because they are academically lazy dumbshits who didn't think they had to work to get smart enough to get into school. They took slots that more deserving kids should've had.
Their parents are everything that is wrong with this country, and they are chips off the old block. They're a bunch of Eric Trumps, basically.
whathehell
(29,096 posts)They have the temerity to have the wrong parents.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Olivia Jade - Loughlin's daughter - has 2 million instagram followers and brags about not being interesting in school.
Entitled brats. Future Ivankas and Erics.
whathehell
(29,096 posts)is they are RICH! -- Let us flog them all!
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)Plenty of rich kids have parents who are decent and law-abiding.
Lori Loughlin and Felicity Huffman's kids are not among them.
whathehell
(29,096 posts)and I'm not defending their parents -- just refusing to unilaterally blame the kids for "the sins of the father" (or mother) as the case may be.
bluedigger
(17,087 posts)They may lose some friends, but they can always buy more.
brooklynite
(94,794 posts)Separation
(1,975 posts)Where the boyfriend was trying to spruce up her kids portfolio so they could get into some swanky new preschool.
Season 6 episode Be True to your Preschool
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)Assuming sufficient evidence, and I'm sure there is if the Feds have indictments, all the students who benefitted from fraud should be expelled.
Otherwise, the message is that even if you parents get caught, your children will still benefit from the fraud.
Me.
(35,454 posts)His father donated 2.5 mil to get him into Harvard
Hekate
(90,867 posts)How can anyone trust that they won't have someone else writing all their papers for them? -- Wait, that's happening all over these days. But even so.
Anyway, California has a great system of community colleges and state colleges that they can go to. There's no SATs for the community colleges, and then they can transfer to Podunk State, far from the coast and the big cities.
Poor things.
RANDYWILDMAN
(2,678 posts)and wanted the college experience, before striking out on their own, backed by Mossimo money. I doubt they would care if they graduated or not. It's not like those kids are going to be drowned in student loan debt like the rest of us. If they learn some compassion out of this ordeal at all, it will have been worth it. I doubt it though...
suffragette
(12,232 posts)then not go back, likely withdrawing themselves before possibly being dismissed.
They are still sitting on a fortune and can use family connections to advance into acting and fashion/makeup, which is what they seem to be more interested in than education.
I feel more for the students who qualify for and need disability accommodations. Because of that aspect of this scam, they are going to face more barriers in terms of possible increased scrutiny and a higher bar for qualification as well as suspicion from peers that they might not really have a disability.
Raine
(30,541 posts)and their classmates won't have to deal with them!
no_hypocrisy
(46,242 posts)Lori Loughlins daughters will not return to the University of Southern California, or USC, because they reportedly cannot deal with the bullying.
3catwoman3
(24,072 posts)...is "Boo-fucking-hoo."
Make the parents should go to the classes and live in the housing for the remainder of the semester.
I can see perhaps not knowing that one's parents pulled financial influence strings of one kind or another, but I absolutely cannot believe that athletic prowess could be faked without being in on it -ESPECIALLY IF IT IS A SPORT YOU HAVE NEVER PLAYED!!! This is the part that really frosts me.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)As a USC alum I really don't think it would have been as bad as they fear, or most people are suggesting.
I remember scandals in my '80s era, like a track sprinter who received credit for taking two classes at the exact time block at two different schools. Sure it made headlines and there were other examples of academic cheating. The school was put on probation and was ineligible for a bowl game as result. That was a huge deal. But the people involved were hardly bullied or ridiculed. I remember the vast majority of students walking briskly past, in their own world and completely unaware or unconcerned. At the student newspaper Daily Trojan office we commented frequently about how it was a much bigger deal in print and on the media, than during day to day life. More people on campus cared about Luke and Laura on General Hospital than anyone involved in our scandals.
That might be somewhat different today given social media, but I'd love to wager it wouldn't be appreciably different. I can envision the foot traffic heading in all directions at the intersection of Bovard Auditorium/Doheny Library/Student Union/Tommy Trojan. Nobody is going to care about Olivia Jade if she is walking in the same area.
Now, if she is paranoid about her social media accounts and how the responses there will differ compared to previously...that is undoubtedly accurate.