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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHas any DU poster actually called for IMMEDIATE impeachment? I have seen posts which
characterize any dissatisfaction with our Speaker's statement regarding impeachment as wanting impeachment NOW.
Is this a straw man or have I missed these posts?
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)I'd post the thread, but I imagine I'd get alerted.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Before education that removal will not happen before there is bipartisan agreement on it and that calling for impeachment was harming Democrats before the electorate as a whole, I saw dozens of angry posts demanding everything from impeachment now!!! to violent removal. Often accompanied by complaints that Democratic leaders aren't worth some expletive. Assumed most were just a keyboard version of yelling at the kids or throwing the remote at the TV.
But realization that using impeachment just as a political gesture was a very unworthy and guaranteed losing maneuver has calmed that down tremendously for a long time now.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Atticus
(15,124 posts)Turbineguy
(37,365 posts)is something that the RW can seize upon since it's only half of what she said.
malaise
(269,157 posts)Atticus
(15,124 posts)you urged impeachment NOW.
manor321
(3,344 posts)She said it was divisive, not worth it with Trump, needed bipartisan support, and compared it to calls for George Bush to be impeached.
unblock
(52,317 posts)if any democrat had done a fraction of this, they would have been impeached and removed or forced to resign a long time ago.
with donnie, they're looking for a formal criminal conviction, or at least enough to know that that's inevitable. only then will any republican senators even consider removal.
but with a democrat, they would recognize that "criminal conviction" isn't at all the standard, nor should it be. any acts of abuse, misuse, or neglect of office are "high crimes and misdemeanors". so all donnie's firings and statements interfering with investigations a grounds for impeachment that don't require any more proof than we already have.
same goes for the grifting. steering business to his hotels is grounds for impeachment. no need for mueller or any other investigation.
if this had been a democrat, they would have forced him to sell mar-a-lago or forego the revenue or something. if a democrat pocketed that money they would have impeached him on the spot.
hell, they were *already* talking about throwing hillary in *prison* even before the election? are we really supposed to think they wouldn't have impeached her for breathing?
as a matter of strategy, fine, i recognize that we need 2/3rds of the senate, and there aren't that many sane, rational people in that august body, so we have to wait. i get that. an indictment with overwhelming evidence of a winnable criminal case would be ideal.
but not impeaching already is objectively a travesty.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)I do disagree with what I understand to be her approach to impeachment.
Thanks for your thoughtful response.
TwilightZone
(25,478 posts)Most of the larger impeachment threads from yesterday have calls for starting impeachment hearings now.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Threads have been calling for an annulment of the election altogether and a removal from office of anyone he has appointed.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)most just solution.
If anyone cares, I do NOT favor immediate impeachment; only that it not be taken "off the table".
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)proceedings to begin now.
PufPuf23
(8,827 posts)and then rinse and repeat until the Senate convicts.
IMO there is sufficient acts whereby completion of the Mueller report is not required.
I have voted for no candidates except Democrats since 1971 (one exception voted for John Anderson against Reagan in 1980 CA POTUS primary when my favored candidate was Brown and voted Carter in the election). I have always been a registered Democrat
IMO Pelosi was wrong to tack "impeachment of the table" regards GWB.
Pelosi made the recent statement which was unnecessary at this time and the statement has weakened and divided the Democratic Party at the present.