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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:36 AM Mar 2019

Has any DU poster actually called for IMMEDIATE impeachment? I have seen posts which

characterize any dissatisfaction with our Speaker's statement regarding impeachment as wanting impeachment NOW.

Is this a straw man or have I missed these posts?

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Agree, why would that be alertable?
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:53 AM
Mar 2019

Before education that removal will not happen before there is bipartisan agreement on it and that calling for impeachment was harming Democrats before the electorate as a whole, I saw dozens of angry posts demanding everything from impeachment now!!! to violent removal. Often accompanied by complaints that Democratic leaders aren't worth some expletive. Assumed most were just a keyboard version of yelling at the kids or throwing the remote at the TV.

But realization that using impeachment just as a political gesture was a very unworthy and guaranteed losing maneuver has calmed that down tremendously for a long time now.

Turbineguy

(37,365 posts)
5. "he's just not worth it"
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:44 AM
Mar 2019

is something that the RW can seize upon since it's only half of what she said.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
10. I missed the "now" or "immediately". Not arguing what you meant, but I don't read that
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:51 AM
Mar 2019

you urged impeachment NOW.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
9. Don't avoid what Pelosi said!
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:50 AM
Mar 2019

She said it was divisive, not worth it with Trump, needed bipartisan support, and compared it to calls for George Bush to be impeached.

unblock

(52,317 posts)
11. well, as a matter of "should", or "would already have been if he were a democrat",....
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:51 AM
Mar 2019

if any democrat had done a fraction of this, they would have been impeached and removed or forced to resign a long time ago.

with donnie, they're looking for a formal criminal conviction, or at least enough to know that that's inevitable. only then will any republican senators even consider removal.

but with a democrat, they would recognize that "criminal conviction" isn't at all the standard, nor should it be. any acts of abuse, misuse, or neglect of office are "high crimes and misdemeanors". so all donnie's firings and statements interfering with investigations a grounds for impeachment that don't require any more proof than we already have.

same goes for the grifting. steering business to his hotels is grounds for impeachment. no need for mueller or any other investigation.

if this had been a democrat, they would have forced him to sell mar-a-lago or forego the revenue or something. if a democrat pocketed that money they would have impeached him on the spot.


hell, they were *already* talking about throwing hillary in *prison* even before the election? are we really supposed to think they wouldn't have impeached her for breathing?


as a matter of strategy, fine, i recognize that we need 2/3rds of the senate, and there aren't that many sane, rational people in that august body, so we have to wait. i get that. an indictment with overwhelming evidence of a winnable criminal case would be ideal.

but not impeaching already is objectively a travesty.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
15. I agree with everything you just said and I greatly appreciate Nancy Pelosi. But,
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:56 AM
Mar 2019

I do disagree with what I understand to be her approach to impeachment.

Thanks for your thoughtful response.

TwilightZone

(25,478 posts)
12. Then you didn't look very hard.
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:51 AM
Mar 2019

Most of the larger impeachment threads from yesterday have calls for starting impeachment hearings now.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
14. Even worse
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 10:54 AM
Mar 2019

Threads have been calling for an annulment of the election altogether and a removal from office of anyone he has appointed.

Atticus

(15,124 posts)
17. As I suspect you recall, I have proposed exactly that and I still believe that would provide the
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 11:21 AM
Mar 2019

most just solution.

If anyone cares, I do NOT favor immediate impeachment; only that it not be taken "off the table".

PufPuf23

(8,827 posts)
18. I have posted on several occasions for impeachment ASAP
Wed Mar 13, 2019, 12:02 PM
Mar 2019

and then rinse and repeat until the Senate convicts.

IMO there is sufficient acts whereby completion of the Mueller report is not required.

I have voted for no candidates except Democrats since 1971 (one exception voted for John Anderson against Reagan in 1980 CA POTUS primary when my favored candidate was Brown and voted Carter in the election). I have always been a registered Democrat

IMO Pelosi was wrong to tack "impeachment of the table" regards GWB.

Pelosi made the recent statement which was unnecessary at this time and the statement has weakened and divided the Democratic Party at the present.

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