I think Trump is a mobster who should be indicted. I also think Pelosi was right.

[pnwmom]

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You can't put mobsters away until you have a legal case -- not just the stuff in the newspapers. So we have to wait for Mueller and the House committees to put together that case. They're not ready yet.

In the meantime, Nancy is correct in NOT calling for impeachment. We will get one shot at impeachment, and it's important not to miss. And it's important for it not to look like a political hit job (as it did with the Clinton impeachment.) It will be harder to make Trump look like a victim to his supporters if it's not seen as an attack by Nancy Pelosi, but as the inevitable result of his awful crimes.

Like I said, I think Trump's a mobster. And a monster. I think so much will come out in the next year that some of the R's will go to Nancy and beg her to start impeachment proceedings. Why would they do that? Because his vileness would have been uncovered, and they won't want to go down with Trump's ship. They'll want to swap Pence in as Captain.

That's when Nancy will have to make a tough decision. Right now, it's easy. She's not supporting impeachment unless and until the evidence is so compelling and overwhelming that enough R's will join to convict him.


ON UPDATE: Cha just pointed to the great post below by EarlG.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11911264

[sharedvalues]

1. +1

[Me.]

2. 100% Agree

Also believe there is Rico in his future

[pnwmom]

3. I do, too. Probably starting out with RICO against the Trump Org

and his kids, which will drive him insane.

[eleny]

4. amen

[renegade000]

5. I was intrigued by Adam Schiff's wording in his statement on the matter

He mentioned not impeaching Trump unless they had some "very graphic evidence."

Now, maybe I'm just reading into this, but Schiff is usually pretty strategic and careful about his language. I think that might be laying down some hints about where this is all going.

If this was an intentional hint, could such "graphic evidence" be from the potential unsealing of the Epstein case? Could it be from something Mueller or the FBI has unearthed?

[pnwmom]

6. Wow. I just thought he meant more checks!

But that's a possibility, too.

[ancianita]

15. I hope you're right. But graphic evidence can't sway those whose oath is to prez over country.

[onit2day]

18. Wait ok but have one problem with it. Bush produced Trump

We must hold presidents accountable to reinforce we are a nation of laws. I also firmly believe we lost the House because Pelosi refused to impeach Bush. What good are the dems if they allow repubs to tear down our nation and refuse to hold them accountable. Look at how much damage Bush/Cheney did that possibly could have been restrained. The same with Trump. Impeaching Trump gives Congress more investigative powers and there has never been a more corrupt president as we already know.
There is no doubt in my mind that the senate will NOT convict but I disagree that this will make dems look bad. It will succeed in making repubs look bad. Trumps base will not cheer any louder than they are now in the midst of Trumps criminal behavior. There is so much evidence of Trump wrong doing that refusing to impeach will tell future presidents they can get away with anything. Pelosi can walk and chew gum at the same time but please don't repeat the past because not impeaching may cost us the senate like it did the House last time. Republicans will be held accountable for supporting the Trump crime family...not the dems, who hopefully will do everything in their power to stop him and stand up for the people. No matter what, Trump will not win a 2nd term. Any of our candidates can beat him. Only cheating will even give him a chance. It's not "IF" we should impeach, but "WHEN".

[MadDAsHell]

22. I'd believe it if it wasn't cut and pasted from the Bush years.

For 8 years we heard there's a mountain of evidence coming, someone's gonna sing, they're just building a case, etc.

Either that was bullshit intended for reccs and clicks, or it was real but something ultimately went wrong that made a case untenable. Either way it was a disappointing joke, so these days I tend not to get caught up in the "she/he is hinting at something HUGE" anymore .

[DinahMoeHum]

7. Agreed. I just heard Rick Wilson on MSNBC. . .

. . .saying that Pelosi has a very valid point - the math is just not there in the Senate right now for conviction and removal after impeachment.

He feels it's better to bleed Trump and the GOP with thousands of cuts, through everybody else around him being investigated, going to prison, getting voted out of office (including him), etc.

'Cause when he steps out of the WH come January 2021 after being ignominiously defeated and denied a 2nd term. . .BANG !!! BUSTED!!!. . .On to the SDNY to answer for what he's done.




P.S. There will likely be a YouTube on this interview in a matter of hours.

[Cha]

11. Mahalo, for that report on Rick Wilson, Dinah!

[renegade000]

8. Also, waiting for Pence to be implicated would be nice too! n/t

[thegoose]

9. Impeachment takes too long

Haul the fucker off to jail stat.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

10. How?

[Cha]

12. EarlG agrees in this thread and makes

a good case like you do, pnwmom. Mahalo!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11911264

[AlexSFCA]

13. Pelosi is pragmatic and she always thinks long term

not juts the next election.

[ancianita]

14. Impeachment is political. It's not removal. Only the Senate can remove. She knows that

half of Congress cannot alone remove Trump.

So, until the Dems take over the Senate, Republicans will not feel duty bound to remove Trump. They'll be like "president over oath, over constitution and over country," however vile their president is.

He's a mobster, yes, yet ALL the criminal evidence is yet to be revealed.

When the Mueller report runs its course before 2020, the only branch that will live up to its duty to protect and defend this country's law and order integrity will be the judiciary. SCOTUS.

Nancy Pelosi has no further decision to make until the Senate majority commits to its collective oath. So far it's shown it won't.

Push for Impeachment at any time before the above happens, and the country WILL see impeachment forged into a two-edged political sword, no matter how "right" is the evidence or the arguments.

It looks to Pelosi that it will be either the Third Branch or The People who will be the "Trump Remedy."

We need less heat and more light as the election draws near.

[SWBTATTReg]

16. Like Al Capone, do a forensics review of all of rump's tax returns and you'll see the tax fraud and

cheating that was done on these returns. He's got so many LLCs and the like that this smacks of tax fraud. I can understand in real estate that LLCs were a thing, but 500 or so of them?

Al Capone was taken down for tax fraud he committed. Take down rump in the same manner. Compare assets (ongoing and prior) and bingo, you'll have the fraud. There should be tax returns and / or financial statements in New Jersey (per the casinos) so there's going to be more statements to look at there too.

The IRS holds tax returns (rump's tax returns) so the House of Rep needs to ensure that rump doesn't hide/destroy his and/or his LLCs/Corporate returns. Then, slowly but surely, gather a team together of forensics accountants and tax authorities and then go through each return with a toothbrush for evidence of a major crime (don't worry about petty ones), there are going to be some pretty big ones on these returns if rump, someone with one of the biggest egos on earth, won't show his tax returns bragging on much money he makes.

rump not showing his returns with his ego alone, is a huge marker screaming out loud 'FRAUD!' or 'CHEAT!'.

Some of the ways to cheat on taxes:

-depreciate far more than what a property is worth (property is worth $100,000, depreciate as though property is worth $1,000,000). Do this for 10-20 properties, and you can see the math add up;

-don't declare all of one's earnings (casino earnings and/or losses, etc.). Self explanatory. Understate earnings or overstate losses;

-Fake invoices to shell companies etc. (write off fake invoices on taxes as well as get tax free cash);

The list can go on. If Congress truly wants to go after the criminal element in rump's world, go immediately after the taxes, as it's going to take time and research to do.

[pnwmom]

19. They are going after his tax returns, but there's probably going to be a fight about that --

which will slow the process.

[SWBTATTReg]

20. You know it, man. They will throw up roadblocks and just about everything including the...

kitchen sink to block these efforts.

[greymattermom]

17. I agree and see it as the long game.

She probably knows what's coming, and wants the Republicans to own the Trump brand, mafia style and all. They will have to decide to jump or go down with the ship.

[TomSlick]

21. Agreed.

Patience is difficult but essential.

[Linda Ed]

23. crimes committed in plain sight

If you fire the FBI Dir. with Russia on your mind, tell Russians problem solved, Ask Russia to release stolen emails, Have 16 people in secret talks, Love Wikileaks ,Lie about business, Have senior officials indicted, Side with Putin, and spout Russian propaganda...In my mind, you are a TRAITOR.

[pnwmom]

24. I agree. But the public is far from supporting impeachment at this point,

and until the public is there, the GOP Senators will stick with him.