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MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 04:48 PM Mar 2019

Just keep in mind that 2020 isn't in the bag...

In spite of everything, it’s not going to be enough to expect voters to vote against Trump. We have to give them a reason to vote FOR Democrats.

Let’s not fuck this up, OK?

Just a thought.

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Just keep in mind that 2020 isn't in the bag... (Original Post) MrScorpio Mar 2019 OP
ditto yortsed snacilbuper Mar 2019 #1
Yes. Take nothing for granted. TDale313 Mar 2019 #2
I was just about to say the same thing. Aristus Mar 2019 #9
We need to keep preaching this until November of 2020. redstatebluegirl Mar 2019 #3
Most people don't follow politics as closely as we do Poiuyt Mar 2019 #4
GOTV for 2019 primary and general elections, and 2020 primary MH1 Mar 2019 #5
That sobering thought should be on our minds daily, from the present to Election Day 2020. VOX Mar 2019 #6
There is a very significant risk that trump can win in 2020 Gothmog Mar 2019 #7
Not to worry... Bernie's got this!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #8
From Charlie Cook Gothmog Mar 2019 #10

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
2. Yes. Take nothing for granted.
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 04:54 PM
Mar 2019

They will cheat, and the sad fact is Trump still has enough support that re-election is not inconceivable. We need him out, and need to regain the Senate if we have any hope of repairing the damage that’s being done. Cautiously optimistic is my feeling right now. It’s doable... but we need to be prepared to work for it.

Aristus

(66,386 posts)
9. I was just about to say the same thing.
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 07:08 PM
Mar 2019

We can't take anything for granted.

Get out and vote.

Encourage others to vote.

Drive people to the polls.

And whatever the hell we do, let's not throw shade on the eventual Dem nominee, whomever it turns out to be. The Susan Sarandons of the electorate are a lost cause. If we can't get them to vote for the Democratic candidate, let's at least not validate their fecklessness by staying home on Election Day.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
3. We need to keep preaching this until November of 2020.
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 05:00 PM
Mar 2019

I kept saying last time, we don't have this in the bag, the polls could be wrong, and look what happened. Democrats are notorious for staying home from the polls. It's raining, we are way ahead and I have things to do excuses. No excuses, we need to vote ourselves, make sure our neighbors and friends are voting. GOTV GOTV GOTV.

Poiuyt

(18,125 posts)
4. Most people don't follow politics as closely as we do
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 05:34 PM
Mar 2019

There are many who will vote republican no matter who the candidate is, just because they've always voted republican. And to be honest, the same is true for Democrats. I think there are actually very few people who can swing either way and fewer still are republicans who will switch because they don't like trump. I know that's hard to imagine because we hate him so.

I still think Democrats will win, about 50% to about 48% (2% will vote for fringe candidates). Not exactly a landslide. The Electoral College will be close too because of the bias towards conservative states.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
5. GOTV for 2019 primary and general elections, and 2020 primary
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 05:42 PM
Mar 2019

Don't let the foot off the gas pedal.

Get Democratic voters into the mindset to vote in EVERY election.

Then, as you said, give them something to vote FOR.

But getting them just to show up in the first place is key.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
6. That sobering thought should be on our minds daily, from the present to Election Day 2020.
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 05:58 PM
Mar 2019

Take NOTHING for granted, as the Trumpists will say/do anything (even break laws) to remain in power.

America is coming apart at the seams already. It won’t survive another term under 45, or any other Republican, for that matter. EVERYTHING, including the future of our democracy, is at stake.

Big thanks, MrScorpio

Gothmog

(145,313 posts)
7. There is a very significant risk that trump can win in 2020
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 06:28 PM
Mar 2019

We have to nominate an electable candidate. Trump can easily win if we nominate a weak candidate.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
8. Not to worry... Bernie's got this!!
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 07:03 PM
Mar 2019

Bernie sure as hell won't take anything for granted... he'll campaign his ass off til the very end, when victory over the Nazi-in-Chief has been declared on election night.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

Gothmog

(145,313 posts)
10. From Charlie Cook
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 04:57 PM
Mar 2019

I tend to agree with Charlie Cook. We need to run a candidate who can beat trump https://cookpolitical.com/analysis/national/national-politics/2020-path-democrats-shouldnt-take

If this election is going to be a referendum on Donald Trump as a person and president, then Democrats ought to have a good shot at winning. But if the election becomes somewhat more complicated, with Democrats embarking on a path that is considerably more ideological than the one that Presidents Clinton and Obama pursued—the former going center-left, the latter further left, but not too far—then that could make for a considerably more competitive general election. The most recent growth area in the Democratic Party has been among college-educated, suburban women, and their movement toward the Democrats is more the product of their aversion to Trump than an embrace of democratic socialism.....

But when these same voters were asked how they felt about voting for someone who was a socialist, 43 percent said “very uncomfortable” and another 29 percent “have some reservations.” Just 4 percent were “enthusiastic” and 21 percent “comfortable.” Among all adults, 6 percent viewed socialism very positively, 12 percent somewhat positively, 27 percent neutrally, 14 percent somewhat negatively and 36 percent very negatively. According to First Read, the morning newsletter published by NBC News’s political unit, just 9 percent of independents and 13 percent of moderates view socialism favorably, a flashing red light for Democrats contemplating embracing that approach.

It is very clear, listening to Trump as well as to GOP strategists, that they are building up democratic socialism as the straw man to knock down in this campaign. Their goal obviously is to make electing a Democratic president an unacceptable alternative to Trump. So it basically comes down to whether Democrats want this election to be about Trump or about embarking on a new and different philosophical direction. One of those paths seems to be very risky.

I want to run a candidate who is electable. Beating trump is the most important thing
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